oldtype Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 When you think about it, this club has been going nowhere for the past decade or so and probably will continue to do so for the foreseeable future. What Ashley and Pardew are doing is just breaking the cycle of false hope-heartbreak-false hope again that all of us have been suffering through. Now it's just a flat line of disinterest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 A really valiant effort from the fans, but there was never even the slightest chance Ashley would be swayed once the target had been met. It doesn't matter in the long run. Yes, Ashley has ridden out this storm thanks to the win against Cardiff, but I have full confidence in Pardew failing again next season. The fans will start off placated with some new (mostly cheap) signings, but without genuine quality strikers we are going to struggle to stay out of relegation trouble. The campaign against Pardew is only beginning. Hopefully. But I'd have major concerns that after being backed to the hilt by Rogers and even somewhat by Keegan, a lot of fans will have the wool pulled over their eyes once again and when the new season rolls around the anger will have dispersed as the kids walk around in their spanking new "Delph" shirts. Seen fans moaning on Facebook about "French fairies" and how we need some "proper" ie English, players. Grim. Yes I've no doubt that the anger will have dissipated by the start of next season, and many fans will be up for a "fresh start". But like I said, quality strikers cost money, and without them Jonjo Shelvey and Colback aren't going to propel Newcastle up the table. By Christmas, pardew will be struggling to keep us above water, and the more gullible fans will start to join the ranks of the anti-Pardew brigade as they realise they've been shafted once again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klaus Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 Was discussing this yesterday with a mate. If he does go, which i hope he does. I worry that Ashley will only bring in another Pardew type 'yes' man, who hasn't got the stones to stand up to the owner when required for the sake of the team/club. I couldnt see Ashley employing anybody who would ever try to undermine him/criticise his regime. The football could improve massively with the players we have currently (obviously), but i cant see us ever being much better than an upper-mid table team while Ashley is the owner. What i am hoping is that Ashley doesn't want to invest heavily in the squad because he is just ticking over, until somebody makes him an acceptable offer for the club. There is simply no way he can enjoy being our owner, knowing that he is universally hated from the fans, so hopefully something will change in the future. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattoon Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 We're getting away from the main issue that's bothering us again. We all know there'll never be decent investment in the team or trophy signings that could really kick us on but outside of the big spenders there's progress to be made on the pitch. I'd love us to win something but my main concern at the moment is what I'm watching on the pitch, even if it is another yes man it could very well be a yes man that can make the most of the players that we do manage to sign and show some intent where it counts, on match day. My concern right now is that they've ridden out the storm with it building momentum so late in the season and yes fans will probably begin next season more placated, but when the inevitable shit hits the fan who's going to stand up and be counted? So many have jacked in their season tickets if imagine a fair few of the vocals won't be there next season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 When you think about it, this club has been going nowhere for the past decade or so and probably will continue to do so for the foreseeable future. What Ashley and Pardew are doing is just breaking the cycle of false hope-heartbreak-false hope again that all of us have been suffering through. Now it's just a flat line of disinterest. Spot on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 When you think about it, this club has been going nowhere for the past decade or so and probably will continue to do so for the foreseeable future. What Ashley and Pardew are doing is just breaking the cycle of false hope-heartbreak-false hope again that all of us have been suffering through. Now it's just a flat line of disinterest. That post makes me feel so good inside. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 Football's all about false hope and heartbreak. That's infinitely preferable to this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BONTEMPI Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 Well, it looks like cunt lips is staying then. At least it'll be a laugh watching how he's going to royally fuck it up next season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 Wonder if they will refresh the backroom staff... Just as important in many respects... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Bailey Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 When you think about it, this club has been going nowhere for the past decade or so and probably will continue to do so for the foreseeable future. What Ashley and Pardew are doing is just breaking the cycle of false hope-heartbreak-false hope again that all of us have been suffering through. Now it's just a flat line of disinterest. Spot on. Absolutley nailed it. This is what they want as well, a passive, obedient bunch of sheep. Sadly its what a portion of our support now is as well. There will be clueless idiots chanting his name pre season, you can see it now. Lump all on relegation battle next season and strap ourselves in cos its gonna be bumpy. I can see a bit of a war twixt our fans looming too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 My war started against Cardiff when I got dogs abuse for walking out, I'm pleased I dont have to sit amongst them next season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanSkÃrare Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 Football's all about false hope and heartbreak. That's infinitely preferable to this. This. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest antz1uk Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 false hope is better than no hope Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 My war started against Cardiff when I got dogs abuse for walking out, I'm pleased I dont have to sit amongst them next season Aye. The folk that continue to complicity lend support to this regime are welcome to continue swallowing Ashley and cos shit. I for one have had enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 Football's all about false hope and heartbreak. That's infinitely preferable to this. This. IMO I think there's a larger structural issue here in that all but a select few teams have become unable to compete, to the point that the false hope that's needed to keep fans interested is going to dry up eventually. Football is still popular because there are a lot of people who are still holdovers from the days when football was the only game in town, who are too loyal to leave their clubs despite knowing that it's all sham now. Eventually those people are going to lose hope, get priced out, or die out, and what's going to be left over is a new generation of fans for whom football is merely one among a wide variety of entertainment choices. And once these fans open their eyes to the fact that there is no real point to any club in England existing other than 5 or so, the bottom will come out of football. I don't know if that's going to be 10 or 20 years in the future but I'm pretty sure it will happen eventually. What Ashley is doing has just accelerated the process for us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 Football's all about false hope and heartbreak. That's infinitely preferable to this. This. IMO I think there's a larger structural issue here in that all but a select few teams have become unable to compete, to the point that the false hope that's needed to keep fans interested is going to dry up eventually. Football is still popular because there are a lot of people who are still holdovers from the days when football was the only game in town, who are too loyal to leave their clubs despite knowing that it's all sham now. Eventually those people are going to lose hope, get priced out, or die out, and what's going to be left over is a new generation of fans for whom football is merely one among a wide variety of entertainment choices. And once these fans open their eyes to the fact that there is no real point to any club in England existing other than 5 or so, the bottom will come out of football. I don't know if that's going to be 10 or 20 years in the future but I'm pretty sure it will happen eventually. What Ashley is doing has just accelerated the process for us. Picked an NFL team yet, OT? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 Football's all about false hope and heartbreak. That's infinitely preferable to this. This. IMO I think there's a larger structural issue here in that all but a select few teams have become unable to compete, to the point that the false hope that's needed to keep fans interested is going to dry up eventually. Football is still popular because there are a lot of people who are still holdovers from the days when football was the only game in town, who are too loyal to leave their clubs despite knowing that it's all sham now. Eventually those people are going to lose hope, get priced out, or die out, and what's going to be left over is a new generation of fans for whom football is merely one among a wide variety of entertainment choices. And once these fans open their eyes to the fact that there is no real point to any club in England existing other than 5 or so, the bottom will come out of football. I don't know if that's going to be 10 or 20 years in the future but I'm pretty sure it will happen eventually. What Ashley is doing has just accelerated the process for us. Totally agree, been saying this for ages. The vast majority of clubs can't compete, even the likes of Liverpool will fall away when Suarez leaves. It's essentially a non-competition for most people. Suppose you could argue that therefore it's even more important that every individual 90 minutes is entertaining. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 Football's all about false hope and heartbreak. That's infinitely preferable to this. This. IMO I think there's a larger structural issue here in that all but a select few teams have become unable to compete Presumably this includes Wigan, Hull, Swansea, Bradford and sunderland given that they've all contested (or are about to contest, for you pedants) a major cup final within the last two seasons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 Football's all about false hope and heartbreak. That's infinitely preferable to this. This. IMO I think there's a larger structural issue here in that all but a select few teams have become unable to compete Presumably this includes Wigan, Hull, Swansea, Bradford and sunderland given that they've all contested (or are about to contest, for you pedants) a major cup final within the last two seasons. Under the modern regime, 99% of the teams in the football league have a punter's chance at making a cup finals once every century or so while 1% dominate 100% of the league title and the vast majority of cups. That's not competition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 Picked an NFL team yet, OT? Even now, I feel like the NFL is a bridge too far for me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 I often agree with you OT but that's simply not true considering the recent finalists and winners of those trophies. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 Picked an NFL team yet, OT? Even now, I feel like the NFL is a bridge too far for me We'll get you. Just you wait. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 I often agree with you OT but that's simply not true considering the recent finalists and winners of those trophies. In the last ten years the only non-entitlement clubs to win a cup are Portsmouth, Wigan, Birmingham, and Swansea. That's 80% of titles being dominated by roughly 5% of the teams in the football league. (Or 10%, if you justifiably assume that League 1 and League 2 don't matter.) Even if you assume that this represents a fair shot at competition for the cups, these are second-class trophies that are only winnable by virtue of the real teams not giving a shit about them. Five teams have an effective monopoly on the one trophy that matters and that number is more likely to shrink in the future than grow. (Barring additional Arab takeovers.) Whichever way you cut it, this isn't a sustainable level of competition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 Jesus Christ Oldtype, that's incredibly depressing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 I often agree with you OT but that's simply not true considering the recent finalists and winners of those trophies. In the last ten years the only non-entitlement clubs to win a cup are Portsmouth, Wigan, Birmingham, and Swansea. That's 80% of titles being dominated by roughly 5% of the teams in the football league. (Or 10%, if you justifiably assume that League 1 and League 2 don't matter.) Even if you assume that this represents a fair shot at competition for the cups, these are second-class trophies that are only winnable by virtue of the real teams not giving a shit about them. Five teams have an effective monopoly on the one trophy that matters and that number is more likely to shrink in the future than grow. (Barring additional Arab takeovers.) Whichever way you cut it, this isn't a sustainable level of competition. So...playoffs? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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