Hatem Ben Arfa (now retired?)

[TRon]

Players and managers fall out all the time, and some players are more difficult than others. I'm sure that the current crisis, which dates from the end of last season, isn't the first time that Pardew and Ben Arfa have clashed.

 

What seemed to happen last season though was Ben Arfa decided to use the media and his popularity among many supporters to put pressure on Pardew. Ben Arfa is always going to win a PR battle, but once you cross that line there's really no way back. This public rally of his supporters, if it comes off, is just the latest and fiercest shot in that battle.

 

Obviously if you're of the opinion that anything that's bad for Pardew is good for the club then you'll be happy. But I just see this as another example of the kind of behaviour that has ruined his career at every club. When the crunch comes, he drifts into a selfish ego-trip and doesn't think about his team-mates, his manager, his club or frankly anyone else. If you think he really cares about the supporters, think again.

 

What a massive shock that you feel this way.

 

It's an even bigger shock theat jcdkelly agrees with him 

[Cronky]

Players and managers fall out all the time, and some players are more difficult than others. I'm sure that the current crisis, which dates from the end of last season, isn't the first time that Pardew and Ben Arfa have clashed.

 

What seemed to happen last season though was Ben Arfa decided to use the media and his popularity among many supporters to put pressure on Pardew. Ben Arfa is always going to win a PR battle, but once you cross that line there's really no way back. This public rally of his supporters, if it comes off, is just the latest and fiercest shot in that battle.

 

Obviously if you're of the opinion that anything that's bad for Pardew is good for the club then you'll be happy. But I just see this as another example of the kind of behaviour that has ruined his career at every club. When the crunch comes, he drifts into a selfish ego-trip and doesn't think about his team-mates, his manager, his club or frankly anyone else. If you think he really cares about the supporters, think again.

 

People like you deserve every piece of fucking shit that the club peddle. Every minute of turgid Pardew anti-football, every four yard sideways pass that your favourite new ginger signing plonks across our static midfield, every Steven Taylor rick, every time our coaching staff absolutely ruin a class player or alienate a great talent like Ben Arfa because they haven't got the talent, the inclination or the arsehole to properly manage him.

 

You're like Henry Hoover, man. Swallowing the crap sprinkled everywhere with a big, dopey grin on your face.

 

You ought to consider whether, on this particular issue, it's actually you that's swallowing crap.

[Teasy]

Players and managers fall out all the time, and some players are more difficult than others. I'm sure that the current crisis, which dates from the end of last season, isn't the first time that Pardew and Ben Arfa have clashed.

 

What seemed to happen last season though was Ben Arfa decided to use the media and his popularity among many supporters to put pressure on Pardew. Ben Arfa is always going to win a PR battle, but once you cross that line there's really no way back. This public rally of his supporters, if it comes off, is just the latest and fiercest shot in that battle.

 

Obviously if you're of the opinion that anything that's bad for Pardew is good for the club then you'll be happy. But I just see this as another example of the kind of behaviour that has ruined his career at every club. When the crunch comes, he drifts into a selfish ego-trip and doesn't think about his team-mates, his manager, his club or frankly anyone else. If you think he really cares about the supporters, think again.

 

People like you deserve every piece of fucking shit that the club peddle. Every minute of turgid Pardew anti-football, every four yard sideways pass that your favourite new ginger signing plonks across our static midfield, every Steven Taylor rick, every time our coaching staff absolutely ruin a class player or alienate a great talent like Ben Arfa because they haven't got the talent, the inclination or the arsehole to properly manage him.

 

You're like Henry Hoover, man. Swallowing the crap sprinkled everywhere with a big, dopey grin on your face.

 

[TBG]

Players and managers fall out all the time, and some players are more difficult than others. I'm sure that the current crisis, which dates from the end of last season, isn't the first time that Pardew and Ben Arfa have clashed.

 

What seemed to happen last season though was Ben Arfa decided to use the media and his popularity among many supporters to put pressure on Pardew. Ben Arfa is always going to win a PR battle, but once you cross that line there's really no way back. This public rally of his supporters, if it comes off, is just the latest and fiercest shot in that battle.

 

Obviously if you're of the opinion that anything that's bad for Pardew is good for the club then you'll be happy. But I just see this as another example of the kind of behaviour that has ruined his career at every club. When the crunch comes, he drifts into a selfish ego-trip and doesn't think about his team-mates, his manager, his club or frankly anyone else. If you think he really cares about the supporters, think again.

 

People like you deserve every piece of f***ing s*** that the club peddle. Every minute of turgid Pardew anti-football, every four yard sideways pass that your favourite new ginger signing plonks across our static midfield, every Steven Taylor rick, every time our coaching staff absolutely ruin a class player or alienate a great talent like Ben Arfa because they haven't got the talent, the inclination or the arsehole to properly manage him.

 

You're like Henry Hoover, man. Swallowing the crap sprinkled everywhere with a big, dopey grin on your face.

 

You ought to consider whether, on this particular issue, it's actually you that's swallowing crap.

 

The hearing declared that the club had admitted to 'repeatedly and intentionally misleading the press, public and the fans of Newcastle United

 

I'll take Hatem's word.

 

 

[Belfast Mags]

Can somebody hug Hatem for me please 

[Segun Oluwaniyi]

The sanctification of Ben Arfa on here can be tiresome at times. To me, he is a supreme talent who has proven to be unreliable, petulant, and somewhat troublesome throughout his career, who is managed by a self-interested charlatan with little actual ability. It is a volatile mix that has finally began to burn. Ben Arfa has acted foolishly one too many times and Pardew has used this as an excuse to shun the player and make him a scapegoat because he is always trying to protect himself. There have been signs of this throughout his career here. Ben Arfa has only really performed in electric spurts of good performances, and whenhe isn't performing  the manager uses his lackadaisical nature and attitude as a reason to drop him so the attention is shifted. 

[Pilko]

Players and managers fall out all the time, and some players are more difficult than others. I'm sure that the current crisis, which dates from the end of last season, isn't the first time that Pardew and Ben Arfa have clashed.

 

What seemed to happen last season though was Ben Arfa decided to use the media and his popularity among many supporters to put pressure on Pardew. Ben Arfa is always going to win a PR battle, but once you cross that line there's really no way back. This public rally of his supporters, if it comes off, is just the latest and fiercest shot in that battle.

 

Obviously if you're of the opinion that anything that's bad for Pardew is good for the club then you'll be happy. But I just see this as another example of the kind of behaviour that has ruined his career at every club. When the crunch comes, he drifts into a selfish ego-trip and doesn't think about his team-mates, his manager, his club or frankly anyone else. If you think he really cares about the supporters, think again.

 

People like you deserve every piece of fucking shit that the club peddle. Every minute of turgid Pardew anti-football, every four yard sideways pass that your favourite new ginger signing plonks across our static midfield, every Steven Taylor rick, every time our coaching staff absolutely ruin a class player or alienate a great talent like Ben Arfa because they haven't got the talent, the inclination or the arsehole to properly manage him.

 

You're like Henry Hoover, man. Swallowing the crap sprinkled everywhere with a big, dopey grin on your face.

 

You ought to consider whether, on this particular issue, it's actually you that's swallowing crap.

 

What did you think when we heard that Ben Arfa (and Marveaux) were blamed and ostracised for some of our 0-3 and 0-4 maulings at home, when they entered the fray at 0-2 or 0-3 after 65-70 minutes?

 

There have been countless, innumerable occasions when the club (and it's current manager) have been proven to be liars, truth-stretchers and charlatans, so if you choose to believe them then there really is no hope left for you.

[DJ_NUFC]

Players and managers fall out all the time, and some players are more difficult than others. I'm sure that the current crisis, which dates from the end of last season, isn't the first time that Pardew and Ben Arfa have clashed.

 

What seemed to happen last season though was Ben Arfa decided to use the media and his popularity among many supporters to put pressure on Pardew. Ben Arfa is always going to win a PR battle, but once you cross that line there's really no way back. This public rally of his supporters, if it comes off, is just the latest and fiercest shot in that battle.

 

Obviously if you're of the opinion that anything that's bad for Pardew is good for the club then you'll be happy. But I just see this as another example of the kind of behaviour that has ruined his career at every club. When the crunch comes, he drifts into a selfish ego-trip and doesn't think about his team-mates, his manager, his club or frankly anyone else. If you think he really cares about the supporters, think again.

 

People like you deserve every piece of fucking shit that the club peddle. Every minute of turgid Pardew anti-football, every four yard sideways pass that your favourite new ginger signing plonks across our static midfield, every Steven Taylor rick, every time our coaching staff absolutely ruin a class player or alienate a great talent like Ben Arfa because they haven't got the talent, the inclination or the arsehole to properly manage him.

 

You're like Henry Hoover, man. Swallowing the crap sprinkled everywhere with a big, dopey grin on your face.

 

[Interpolic]

The sanctification of Ben Arfa on here can be tiresome at times. To me, he is a supreme talent who has proven to be unreliable, petulant, and somewhat troublesome throughout his career, who is managed by a self-interested charlatan with little actual ability. It is a volatile mix that has finally began to burn. Ben Arfa has acted foolishly one too many times and Pardew has used this as an excuse to shun the player and make him a scapegoat because he is always trying to protect himself. There have been signs of this throughout his career here. Ben Arfa has only really performed in electric spurts of good performances, and whenhe isn't performing  the manager uses his lackadaisical nature and attitude as a reason to drop him so the attention is shifted.

 

I'm not disagreeing with the whole post but I disagree with the bit in bold, in a sense.

 

He gets 20 minutes here and there while other players get 20 games regardless of output, if Ben Arfa had been played at every opportunity then he'd have had the best goals and assists record at the club last season, Remy-aside.  Even if he had been a bit floaty and inconsistent, he'd have outperformed the players who kept him out of the team.  I've been watching this for 3 years and am fucking fed up with the "play well, play not so well (like everyone else), get dropped for ages" cycle, and I'm sure he is too.

[Willow]

serz if posted

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/ben-arfas-final-chapter-at-newcastle-now-a-sad-tale-set-in-a-local-bookshop-9662829.html

[Mick]

 

 

What a massive shock that you feel this way.

 

[LFEE]

Warehouse guy still on radio silence due to Cinema... I'm about to play footy for an hour... Hopefully have an update 10pm...

 

#hope

 

When I said 11-12 he said no problem

 

Ok... Just finished footy and no message yet so must be watching some 3hr epic...

[Mick]

People are taking the side of Pardew over that of Ben Arfa, the same bastard Pardew who preferred Ryan Taylor and Obertan to him, Christ. 

[Dave]

serz if posted

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/ben-arfas-final-chapter-at-newcastle-now-a-sad-tale-set-in-a-local-bookshop-9662829.html

 

After the Bolton goal, for which he dribbled from his own half, Pardew spoke of an “unbelievable talent” of “gold dust” and “magic”. The spell, however, has gone. Pardew no longer wishes to manage the player. The end came after a  4-0 defeat at home to Manchester United, where the forward had been introduced as a 61st-minute substitute.

 

Ben Arfa responded when the whole team was asked to give their opinions after a third successive defeat without scoring. He said the team was too direct. There was a row with Pardew and a confrontation which ended with Shola Ameobi removing Ben Arfa from the dressing room.

 

Mint.

[Slim]

Warehouse guy still on radio silence due to Cinema... I'm about to play footy for an hour... Hopefully have an update 10pm...

 

#hope

 

When I said 11-12 he said no problem

 

Ok... Just finished footy and no message yet so must be watching some 3hr epic...

 

Probs went to watch the Inbetweeners twice

[triggs]

serz if posted

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/ben-arfas-final-chapter-at-newcastle-now-a-sad-tale-set-in-a-local-bookshop-9662829.html

 

After the Bolton goal, for which he dribbled from his own half, Pardew spoke of an “unbelievable talent” of “gold dust” and “magic”. The spell, however, has gone. Pardew no longer wishes to manage the player. The end came after a  4-0 defeat at home to Manchester United, where the forward had been introduced as a 61st-minute substitute.

 

Ben Arfa responded when the whole team was asked to give their opinions after a third successive defeat without scoring. He said the team was too direct. There was a row with Pardew and a confrontation which ended with Shola Ameobi removing Ben Arfa from the dressing room.

 

Mint.

"I am open to all opinions as long as none of those opinions are that it was even partly my fault" Classic Pards

[RodneyCisse]

So are we hoping for a 10 game losing streak at the start of the season?

[Mike]

serz if posted

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/ben-arfas-final-chapter-at-newcastle-now-a-sad-tale-set-in-a-local-bookshop-9662829.html

 

After the Bolton goal, for which he dribbled from his own half, Pardew spoke of an “unbelievable talent” of “gold dust” and “magic”. The spell, however, has gone. Pardew no longer wishes to manage the player. The end came after a  4-0 defeat at home to Manchester United, where the forward had been introduced as a 61st-minute substitute.

 

Ben Arfa responded when the whole team was asked to give their opinions after a third successive defeat without scoring. He said the team was too direct. There was a row with Pardew and a confrontation which ended with Shola Ameobi removing Ben Arfa from the dressing room.

 

Mint.

 

Coincidence that things have gone to shit since Shola left? He was the peacemaker.

[Ronaldo]

Was he fuck, Mike. Shola just won't have a bad word said about Pardew by anyone. Pardew's big whore.

[bowlingcrofty]

This on Quest?

[KaKa]

Shola sucked up for playing time. He's a disgrace, no doubt.

[Mike]

Was he fuck, Mike. Shola just won't have a bad word said about Pardew by anyone. Pardew's big whore.

 

I saw it as him getting Ben Arfa out before he said something worse, instead of looking out for Pardew, but it doesn't matter anymore.

[Ronaldo]

Believe me, man. Pardew and Shola are practically in an open relationship.

[Mike]

Believe me, man. Pardew and Shola are practically in an open relationship.

 

I'll take your word for it.

[TRon]

The sanctification of Ben Arfa on here can be tiresome at times. To me, he is a supreme talent who has proven to be unreliable, petulant, and somewhat troublesome throughout his career, who is managed by a self-interested charlatan with little actual ability. It is a volatile mix that has finally began to burn. Ben Arfa has acted foolishly one too many times and Pardew has used this as an excuse to shun the player and make him a scapegoat because he is always trying to protect himself. There have been signs of this throughout his career here. Ben Arfa has only really performed in electric spurts of good performances, and whenhe isn't performing  the manager uses his lackadaisical nature and attitude as a reason to drop him so the attention is shifted. 

 

So you agree he's a massive mood driven  talent who has been mismanaged appallingly by an egotistical fraud masquerading as a manager. No arguments there from me.