Guest TruToon94 Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 We need to bombard Pro-Pardew pieces with this link off the SackPardew: http://sackpardew.com/myths/his-hands-are-tied-by-ashley/ Proves that it is complete rubbish. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Yeah that Rob Stewart guy wrote an article on FourFourTwo yesterday saying we shouldn't sack him. His defense was basically that Pardew has no say over the players coming in to the club and that this isn't "his team". Pretty much blames Ashley and Graham Carr for our predicament. Such a bizarre argument. By that logic he can literally never be held accountable for results. If he's unable to work to a reasonable standard under a system that isn't going away, that's more reason to get rid rather than keep. People in England really struggle with the idea of a Director of Football system despite it being the norm, even at some English clubs. Personally I prefer the manager to have a lot more say but not if he's Alan Pardew. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Pardew's first and last real move in the transfer market was to sell Wayne Routledge and replace him with Obertan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainhaircut Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Yeah that Rob Stewart guy wrote an article on FourFourTwo yesterday saying we shouldn't sack him. His defense was basically that Pardew has no say over the players coming in to the club and that this isn't "his team". Pretty much blames Ashley and Graham Carr for our predicament. Such a bizarre argument. By that logic he can literally never be held accountable for results. If he's unable to work to a reasonable standard under a system that isn't going away, that's more reason to get rid rather than keep. People in England really struggle with the idea of a Director of Football system despite it being the norm, even at some English clubs. Personally I prefer the manager to have a lot more say but not if he's Alan Pardew. Nailed it. At no club does the manager have 100% control anyway- they all work to a budget. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TruToon94 Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 It's a bloody good thing he doesn't control transfers too! Sorry I'd much rather have Graham, "I brought Cabaye, Ben Arfa and all those players Pardew relied on to win matches" to the club rather than Alan, "Mullins is superb and Ameobi is as good as Tevez" Pardew. Journalists completely useless. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsley Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 It's a bloody good thing he doesn't control transfers too! Sorry I'd much rather have Graham, "I brought Cabaye, Ben Arfa and all those players Pardew relied on to win matches" to the club rather than Alan, "Mullins is superb and Ameobi is as good as Tevez" Pardew. Journalists completely useless. Exactly - it works both ways. Not a chance that Pardew would have brought Cabaye, Ben Arfa, Cisse et al to the club if he had complete control over transfers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicane Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Yeah that Rob Stewart guy wrote an article on FourFourTwo yesterday saying we shouldn't sack him. His defense was basically that Pardew has no say over the players coming in to the club and that this isn't "his team". Pretty much blames Ashley and Graham Carr for our predicament. Such a bizarre argument. By that logic he can literally never be held accountable for results. If he's unable to work to a reasonable standard under a system that isn't going away, that's more reason to get rid rather than keep. People in England really struggle with the idea of a Director of Football system despite it being the norm, even at some English clubs. Personally I prefer the manager to have a lot more say but not if he's Alan Pardew. Thought the exact same thing when I read it. It's like, ok, when does it become acceptable to start criticizing him then? How many more bad results, how much worse does it have to get before we can say maybe he just isn't good enough? As you say, it absolves him of any blame and essentially gives him the best job in the world because he can never be held accountable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
olliemort Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 I would be over the moon with moyes but I doubt he would come here under Ashley. All the people who say otherwise come back on here and see if you change your mind after Ashley hires some twat like lawrie Sanchez Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Knowing what I do about Moyes, I'd be absolutely staggered if he went near it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStar Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Worth restating when we're accused of being hysterical or kneejerk Of the last 28 PL managers to lose their jobs all had a better recent record than Alan Pardew. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Logic Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Worth restating when we're accused of being hysterical or kneejerk Of the last 28 PL managers to lose their jobs all had a better recent record than Alan Pardew. Well that says it all. Delusional. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Espio Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Worth restating when we're accused of being hysterical or kneejerk Of the last 28 PL managers to lose their jobs all had a better recent record than Alan Pardew. Well that says it all. Delusional. But 5th Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 To be fair I thought Di Canio had a worse record, he basically only won against us didn't he? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 To be fair I thought Di Canio had a worse record, he basically only won against us didn't he? I remember him beating Everton at home, I think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 To be fair I thought Di Canio had a worse record, he basically only won against us didn't he? I remember him beating Everton at home, I think. sure he won back to back games Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 God the bar is so low Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Moyes is way above the standards I'd expect. I can't understand why he would want to take the job but I'd be very happy with his appointment, if it turned out that way. There's roles that Pardew fills that I can't imagine Moyes doing so; being the sole mouthpiece for the club's agenda, etc, but on the pitch we would be a functioning, coherent unit. Way beyond what we are now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Suppose the hope is of Ashley really likes the idea of Moyes and respects him going into things he'll relax his interference and bullshit, and that Moyes would insist on such. There have been stories of Ashley being a fan of Moyes tbf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Replacing a 2/10 manager with a 6/10 is a huge improvement, although I'm sure we could attract some 7s or 8s. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 It's pretty stupid calling Moyes a '6' and pretty daft thinking we can attract an '8' when we've only had 2 of those in the last 40 years of our history - and that was when we had ambitious ownership. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varadi Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 If Moyes is willing to come and work for this club in it's current state under this dickhead owner I would be amazed, and would obviously welcome him with open arms. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicane Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Dan Walker talking some sense on Football Focus, bringing up the terrible results and stats. And Lawro immediately starts talking bollocks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Fowler and Walker Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveItIfWeBeatU Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Dan Walker talking some sense on Football Focus, bringing up the terrible results and stats. And Lawro immediately starts talking bollocks To be fair "Lawro" said Pardew's position is untenable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LesPaul Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Tbf, I think Ashley is more to blame than Pardew is (although they both obviously have their faults). But if I was Pardew I would probably do the same. Newcastle United is just a job to him, if Ashley was stupid enough to give him a ridiculous contract why should Pardew walk away, whether he feels he can change things or not. In all honesty he probably thinks he owes nothing more to Mike Ashley as he has taken the brunt of the blame for Ashley's inadequate running of a football club and will bleed every penny he can out of him. Not this s*** again. Ashley is a crap owner but he doesn't pick the team, dictate tactics or run training sessions. Ashley hasn't consistently picked inferior players (Smith, Perch, Gosling, Ameobi) when other options have been available to the detriment of the team and club as a whole. Ashley isn't the one who has shoehorned players into the team out of their natural positions, destroying their confidence and nullifying any threat they might have once offered. Ashley and Pardew are a good match for each other, they each cover the other's inadequacies but it has gone beyond the point now where Pardew is only holding back the club with his own shitness. Pardew is now the root cause of most of the team's issues and has to go. You ask why he should simply walk away since he has a contract? Because it's got the point where the crowd detest him, the players no longer give a f*** and even the media have started to wake up to his inabilities. If he walks away now he might still get another job in the Premiership or top end of the Championship, the longer he allows it to continue the more questions will be raised about his skills and fewer clubs will think him a potential asset. Walk away now and let the media run with the stories that it was Ashley's way of running the club that harmed the team, or carry on and let everyone know it was Pardew himself who couldn't organise a gangbang in a brothel. Mark Hughes or David O'Leary, pick a career path. I'm not saying that Pardew is innocent either, I just feel that Ashley is more to blame. Yes Pardew picks the team, but how much of a say does he have in the players at his disposal? He has shown in the past that he can get results when he has the right players. He is no scout, I doubt he even knows who half of the players we signed this summer actually are but we finished 5th with Pardew as a manager and a very average side tbh. But when Ashley decides he wants to sell our best player (by far) because he is far more interested in lining his own pockets than the fortunes of the football club. That is why, imo, Ashley is more to blame. So sick of this 'we finished 5th once so he must be good' sh*te. I really am. Ipswich have finished 5th with George Burley. Allardyce finished 6th with Bolton. Do you want either of them as manager (again in Fat Sam's case)? Is it qualification enough? Numpty fluked it, it can happen. He'll never manage it again and don't kid yourself or any one else gullible enough to listen that he can. I remember coming away from a lot of games that season thinking either it was a very evenly balanced game we were lucky to win, or that we have downright robbed the other team! The following season I don't think we were significantly worse, I don't think European football really affected us (we played the kids and reserves after all), we just didn't have fortune on our side the way we did in 11/12. That season was a pure fluke. I made plenty of noises after the 5th place finish that the way we were playing was going to make those results totally unsustainable. We had a quite a share of good fortune. We also very 'direct' in our play and relied a lot on the opposition making mistakes. Which they did. There was clearly no plan for evolving a system and style out of that fortunate finish. If there had been one we could used the fact that we looked like an attractive proposition given our league finish to sign the kind of players we would have needed to kick on. Newcastle Utd is nothing but a Sports Direct first Eleven. Just an advertising board for his tat. Ashley has absolutely zero sporting ambition. Not one iota. Agreed. One of the best examples of this is the away game at Swansea in 2012. We were absolutely bossed around for 90 minutes. Cisse scored 2 and we got three points. Redonkulous. I mean just look at the stats: http://www.fourfourtwo.com/statszone/8-2011/matches/360787/summary#tabs-wrapper-anchor LOOK AT THEM! 77% vs 23% possesion.... Eh, I'm no Pardew supporter but Swansea were crap that day. Most of the possession was backwards passes in the first two thirds of the pitch. They were absolutely awful in the final third and never looked like scoring. We were much more comfortable than those statistics suggest, they never really looked like scoring. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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