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Rob Lee has said he was desperate to lose the derby in the rain to get rid of Gullit. ujpest would rather have won, had another season of him and missed out on Robson. True fan.

I would rather of won.

Can't believe anyone would advocate losing to them lot down the road mind jeez.

 

:lol:

 

Yet you're happy to have Pardew in charge for the next derby. Walking contradiction.

Do you think he wanted to lose against them like?

 

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I thought the atmosphere was great today. And the whole Pardew debate seemed to be no part of it, it was just about seeing a team almost reinvented playing with confidence, resilience and - very occasionally - a bit of swagger. There was a real feel-good atmosphere today. All that said, when leaving, there was a sizeable group of lads singing the  "Alan Pardew, he's back from the dead" song. The lad walking beside me with his girlfriend substituted that line with "I want him dead". Both made me smile. And ps, I thought Abeid was immense again today.

 

I hope they get cholera, just like your parasite mate.

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The nightmare never ends. Arrrrgghh.

 

We won. It's the 5th time in a row we've done that. Pardew isn't going anywhere so the best thing to do is to forget him, support the players and enjoy watching a winning team. If you can't do that it may be time to look for another hobby as following NUFC clearly isn't doing it for you.

 

I don't like Pardew either and never will (look at my avatar) but all this wanting us to lose and not celebrating when we score or win is just plain silly.

 

It's up to anyone how they support the team, if thats how you feel that's fine but telling people to "look for another hobby" isn't fair.

 

Wanting us to lose isn't supporting the team.

 

In your opinion.

 

Look up the definition of "supporter" in the dictionary then.

 

No. Some people look for the bigger picture. Happened against Souness, is happening now. You don't want to do it. That's up to you. No one is slagging the team. People want the best for NUFC. You don't get to dictate to people what being a supporter is. So what about those who grief the players when they lose the ball? They "supporting" the team are they?

 

Those who grief the players who lose the ball are doing so out of frustration not because they want the team they claim to support to lose the match. Surely even you can see the difference there. The manager is going nowhere so what's the point in people still wanting us to lose?

 

Now once again look up the definition of "supporter" in the dictionary.

 

 

Howay man.

 

• a person who is actively interested in and wishes success for a particular sports team.

 

Some people believe success for our particular sports team requires major fundamental change, which a few crack-papering wins won't help.

 

Fair enough if you disagree, but you can't call it not being a supporter.

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This is the most pointless argument I've ever read, you must be stupid if you cant see why somebody would want there team to lose in the short term if in the long term it would help the club, and then go on to say a person isnt a supporter because they dont support the team on the pitch. A supporter supports whats best for Newcastle Untied and if we were 1 defeat away from Pardew sacked Id wish defeat on us anyday of the week.

 

But we're not 1 defeat away from Pardew getting the sack yet someone on here was still saying they wanted us to lose today (or in his words, "the nightmare continues" after a 2-0 win). Wanting us to lose today had no bearing on what's best for NUFC as win, lose or draw the manager was going nowhere.

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Basic facts - the future for NUFC is grim no matter who is the manager. Pardew isn't getting sacked any time soon, it might take relegation and possibly a failed promotion.

 

Personally I have to admit I've supported the team through these last few games, nothing feels like it should but that's because of the pointlessness of us as a club, and the lack of possibility of change. Given that, I'm just going to try and enjoy what I can on a weekly basis.

 

Don't feel I can criticise anyone else's stance due to the fact I don't have a clue what to think myself.

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Basic facts - the future for NUFC is grim no matter who is the manager.

 

Nah.

 

Well I guess in theory no, but I meant with any manager Ashley would get.

 

Well then... there is an awful lot of ambiguity and room for interpretation in this 'basic fact'.

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Actually that's slightly harsh on you I suppose Ian, as you do seem to realise he's a crap manager now.  This qualifying every statement with "We're not going to get any better under Ashley" thing is very tiresome though, I can't agree that keeping things tight and trying to nick a goal is the only way and I should just accept it.

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Pardew no more knows what's going 'right' now than he does what was going wrong for the last nine months.

 

That's why he is a poor manager - and I would take anyone who was able to assess the problems and attempt to remedy them in a logical way, over him who bumbles about and takes credit for success but none of the blame for failure.

 

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One thing that annoys me is that no-one in the press makes mention of the fact that he's turned things around by doing what fans have been crying out for. The football is still rubbish but the pressure has made him change the team and drop some of his golden boys at the very least. If we had just sat back and done nothing we'd still be suffering the same old rubbish.

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The press don't even realise that the fact results have turned around is in complete contradiction to every defence of him that was going, i.e. he's getting everything possible out of these players and can't be expected to do any better without Cabaye.

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I'm enjoying this run of results. I want pardew out and by no means think he's learnt his lesson, the first poor performance will see him blaming the fans again. But I cant see him leaving this season now even if we go on another massive losing streak.so I'd rather enjoy the wind while I can. It's been way to long since there's been a string of enjoyable games

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Actually that's slightly harsh on you I suppose Ian, as you do seem to realise he's a crap manager now.  This qualifying every statement with "We're not going to get any better under Ashley" thing is very tiresome though, I can't agree that keeping things tight and trying to nick a goal is the only way and I should just accept it.

 

Nah I didn't mean that, I certainly don't qualify everything with it :lol:

 

What I meant was, the frustration about the club's situation is fundamentally rooted in our tackiness, lack of ambition etc etc.

 

We could get better under a different manager.

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The press don't even realise that the fact results have turned around is in complete contradiction to every defence of him that was going, i.e. he's getting everything possible out of these players and can't be expected to do any better without Cabaye.

 

:thup:

 

Supporters shouldn't be apologising to Alan Pardew, some of the media should be apologising to the players. Gary Neville, for starters.

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Happy that the danger of being mired in the bottom three all season has lessened, but cannot shake the idea that we'd still be there if we hadn't had any injuries this season.  And that is fucked up.

 

Kinnear was a better manager than this clown, that's how bad he is.

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One thing that annoys me is that no-one in the press makes mention of the fact that he's turned things around by doing what fans have been crying out for. The football is still rubbish but the pressure has made him change the team and drop some of his golden boys at the very least. If we had just sat back and done nothing we'd still be suffering the same old rubbish.

 

So, taking that point of view to its logical conclusion; it's Sackpardew's fault that we're stuck with the useless fucker.

 

I do know what you mean though, the dynamic created by the protests have made him change at some level, and possibly created a bunker mentality in the camp, which has allowed an improvement in on field performances.

 

It's totally joyless for me though, with the prospect of another 5 years of this shite, not a prospect I want to contemplate too much.

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Rob Lee has said he was desperate to lose the derby in the rain to get rid of Gullit. ujpest would rather have won, had another season of him and missed out on Robson. True fan.

I would rather of won.

Can't believe anyone would advocate losing to them lot down the road mind jeez.

 

:lol:

 

Yet you're happy to have Pardew in charge for the next derby. Walking contradiction.

Do you think he wanted to lose against them like?

Wanting Pardew or 'supporting the team' is tantamount to wanting us to lose vs the mackems imo. It doesn't take a great deal of intelligence to understand the gaping flaw in your logic.

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