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There was an article on the EL on the BBC a couple of days ago that may be interesting, didn't get the chance to read it. I'm sure SackPardew looked at it too but can't remember the details. The conclusion was it doesn't have that much of an impact

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I think the article found that it was not immediately after the Europa league games that points were lost, rather it was the Thursday Sunday schedule that led to missed rest days, additional time away from families etc that can grind players down over a season.

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Manage your time and your players efficiently and Europa League isn't a problem. Pardew struggled with that with his limited tactical scope and the squad not being correctly strengthened, something which he was complicit in.

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It does have an effect - especially for teams not regularly in Europe. The facts have proved it.

 

Loki's example  misses nuances. the 2 years Spurs finished 4th (which is a massive jump from 5th in our division), they had no Europe after Christmas by the looks of things. The first after no Europe at all.

 

Swansea finished below par in the league despite a good campaign as they relaxed after winning LC. They where a comfortable midtable team that whole season. The next, they where in a relegation battle and sacked their manager and ended the season in good form ending in midtable. But the seasons where very different.

 

Taking the EL so seriously "cost" Seville a top 4 finish imo.

 

As Pardew is such a streaky and poor manager it makes sense that when things hit the buffer, it really goes wrong. But his point has merit.

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I'm not so sure it's such a big effect.  If you look at the seasons in isolation then there appears to be correlation but expand it out a bit and that correlation suddenly melts into the 'noise'. 

 

Stoke

 

2008/09 - 12th

2009/10 - 11th

2010/11 - 13th

2011/12 - 14th

2012/13 - 13th

 

Everton

 

2006/07 - 6th

2007/08 - 5th

2008/09 - 5th

2009/10 - 8th

2010/11 - 7th

2011/12 - 7th

2012/13 - 6th

2013/14 - 5th

 

Spurs

 

2013/14 - 6th

2012/13 - 5th

2011/12 - 4th

2010/11 - 5th

2009/10 - 4th

2008/09 - 8th

2007/08 - 11th

2006/07 - 5th

2005/06 - 5th

 

Swansea

 

2011/12 - 11th

2012/13 - 9th

2013/14 - 12th

 

 

 

Yep, basically a club having a purple patch and then reverting to type the following season. Hence why the stat doesn't really correlate to teams qualifying through the cups or the Fair Play League.
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It does have an effect - especially for teams not regularly in Europe. The facts have proved it.

 

Loki's example  misses nuances. the 2 years Spurs finished 4th (which is a massive jump from 5th in our division), they had no Europe after Christmas by the looks of things. The first after no Europe at all.

 

Swansea finished below par in the league despite a good campaign as they relaxed after winning LC. They where a comfortable midtable team that whole season. The next, they where in a relegation battle and sacked their manager and ended the season in good form ending in midtable. But the seasons where very different.

 

Taking the EL so seriously "cost" Seville a top 4 finish imo.

 

As Pardew is such a streaky and poor manager it makes sense that when things hit the buffer, it really goes wrong. But his point has merit.

See that crack about Sevilla here is pretty much what is wrong with football.

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As if that means it's not your opinion :lol:

It's such a ridiculous point of view. The mackems stayed up last year thanks to the confidence and momentum they got from their cup run, what's to say that Sevilla didn't get close because of their run in the EL?

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As if that means it's not your opinion :lol:

It's such a ridiculous point of view. The mackems stayed up last year thanks to the confidence and momentum they got from their cup run, what's to say that Sevilla didn't get close because of their run in the EL?

 

How do you come to that conclusion?

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It does have an effect - especially for teams not regularly in Europe. The facts have proved it.

 

Loki's example  misses nuances. the 2 years Spurs finished 4th (which is a massive jump from 5th in our division), they had no Europe after Christmas by the looks of things. The first after no Europe at all.

 

Swansea finished below par in the league despite a good campaign as they relaxed after winning LC. They where a comfortable midtable team that whole season. The next, they where in a relegation battle and sacked their manager and ended the season in good form ending in midtable. But the seasons where very different.

 

Taking the EL so seriously "cost" Seville a top 4 finish imo.

 

As Pardew is such a streaky and poor manager it makes sense that when things hit the buffer, it really goes wrong. But his point has merit.

See that crack about Sevilla here is pretty much what is wrong with football.

 

Yeah, Pardew's point has merit in as much as it can have an effect around 2 places, but thats entirely negligible as you couldn't say with any certainty what other factors involved. There is absolutely no way it should result in a relegation battle, none at all.

 

It was a drop of 11 places and 24 points on the previous season. Using the EL as an excuse for that level of incompetence is very disingenuous. The squad was completely mismanaged and that was down to Pardew 100%.

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It's a bit of a disgrace like that in a league where 1 in 3 teams qualify for Europe of some description, we've been there twice in the last decade.

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It's a bit of a disgrace like that in a league where 1 in 3 teams qualify for Europe of some description, we've been there twice in the last decade.

 

No, no, no. It's a closed shop. Costs too much. Leads to relegation.

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As if that means it's not your opinion :lol:

It's such a ridiculous point of view. The mackems stayed up last year thanks to the confidence and momentum they got from their cup run, what's to say that Sevilla didn't get close because of their run in the EL?

 

How do you come to that conclusion?

Common sense O0

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Pards has got no idea what he's doing.

 

Why is Hangeland dropped as well? He has been great since he has been in the team.

 

**** me, pardews lost the plot. We are gonna get murdered.

Oh christ.

 

Hope you know what your doing Mr pardew , not liking that line up one little bit , extremely concerned
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