MW Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 There was an article on the EL on the BBC a couple of days ago that may be interesting, didn't get the chance to read it. I'm sure SackPardew looked at it too but can't remember the details. The conclusion was it doesn't have that much of an impact Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 I think the article found that it was not immediately after the Europa league games that points were lost, rather it was the Thursday Sunday schedule that led to missed rest days, additional time away from families etc that can grind players down over a season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ste Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Manage your time and your players efficiently and Europa League isn't a problem. Pardew struggled with that with his limited tactical scope and the squad not being correctly strengthened, something which he was complicit in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 The variable having the greatest impact in effecting league position in my objective opinion is the fact our manager was a complete and utter penis. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 The variable having the greatest impact in effecting league position in my objective opinion is the fact our manager was a complete and utter penis. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Still a cunt. Hope Arsenal trounce them tomorrow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 It does have an effect - especially for teams not regularly in Europe. The facts have proved it. Loki's example misses nuances. the 2 years Spurs finished 4th (which is a massive jump from 5th in our division), they had no Europe after Christmas by the looks of things. The first after no Europe at all. Swansea finished below par in the league despite a good campaign as they relaxed after winning LC. They where a comfortable midtable team that whole season. The next, they where in a relegation battle and sacked their manager and ended the season in good form ending in midtable. But the seasons where very different. Taking the EL so seriously "cost" Seville a top 4 finish imo. As Pardew is such a streaky and poor manager it makes sense that when things hit the buffer, it really goes wrong. But his point has merit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norseman Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Not to the extent of dropping 11 places. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Not to the extent of dropping 11 places. No, it's not the only reason we were shit, clearly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 The variable having the greatest impact in effecting league position in my objective opinion is the fact our manager was a complete and utter penis. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 I'm not so sure it's such a big effect. If you look at the seasons in isolation then there appears to be correlation but expand it out a bit and that correlation suddenly melts into the 'noise'. Stoke 2008/09 - 12th 2009/10 - 11th 2010/11 - 13th 2011/12 - 14th 2012/13 - 13th Everton 2006/07 - 6th 2007/08 - 5th 2008/09 - 5th 2009/10 - 8th 2010/11 - 7th 2011/12 - 7th 2012/13 - 6th 2013/14 - 5th Spurs 2013/14 - 6th 2012/13 - 5th 2011/12 - 4th 2010/11 - 5th 2009/10 - 4th 2008/09 - 8th 2007/08 - 11th 2006/07 - 5th 2005/06 - 5th Swansea 2011/12 - 11th 2012/13 - 9th 2013/14 - 12th Yep, basically a club having a purple patch and then reverting to type the following season. Hence why the stat doesn't really correlate to teams qualifying through the cups or the Fair Play League. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Suppose if we're talking statistically then a sample size of 5 or 6 seasons is completely meaningless anyway. It can't prove anything either way, it's a matter of observation and opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 It does have an effect - especially for teams not regularly in Europe. The facts have proved it. Loki's example misses nuances. the 2 years Spurs finished 4th (which is a massive jump from 5th in our division), they had no Europe after Christmas by the looks of things. The first after no Europe at all. Swansea finished below par in the league despite a good campaign as they relaxed after winning LC. They where a comfortable midtable team that whole season. The next, they where in a relegation battle and sacked their manager and ended the season in good form ending in midtable. But the seasons where very different. Taking the EL so seriously "cost" Seville a top 4 finish imo. As Pardew is such a streaky and poor manager it makes sense that when things hit the buffer, it really goes wrong. But his point has merit. See that crack about Sevilla here is pretty much what is wrong with football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 Hence why I put it in quotes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 As if that means it's not your opinion It's such a ridiculous point of view. The mackems stayed up last year thanks to the confidence and momentum they got from their cup run, what's to say that Sevilla didn't get close because of their run in the EL? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest John Carvery Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 As if that means it's not your opinion It's such a ridiculous point of view. The mackems stayed up last year thanks to the confidence and momentum they got from their cup run, what's to say that Sevilla didn't get close because of their run in the EL? How do you come to that conclusion? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 It does have an effect - especially for teams not regularly in Europe. The facts have proved it. Loki's example misses nuances. the 2 years Spurs finished 4th (which is a massive jump from 5th in our division), they had no Europe after Christmas by the looks of things. The first after no Europe at all. Swansea finished below par in the league despite a good campaign as they relaxed after winning LC. They where a comfortable midtable team that whole season. The next, they where in a relegation battle and sacked their manager and ended the season in good form ending in midtable. But the seasons where very different. Taking the EL so seriously "cost" Seville a top 4 finish imo. As Pardew is such a streaky and poor manager it makes sense that when things hit the buffer, it really goes wrong. But his point has merit. See that crack about Sevilla here is pretty much what is wrong with football. Yeah, Pardew's point has merit in as much as it can have an effect around 2 places, but thats entirely negligible as you couldn't say with any certainty what other factors involved. There is absolutely no way it should result in a relegation battle, none at all. It was a drop of 11 places and 24 points on the previous season. Using the EL as an excuse for that level of incompetence is very disingenuous. The squad was completely mismanaged and that was down to Pardew 100%. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 The Europa League has bot all to do with our shitness that year and remains my biggest gripe of Pardew's fantastic legacy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 It's a bit of a disgrace like that in a league where 1 in 3 teams qualify for Europe of some description, we've been there twice in the last decade. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 It's a bit of a disgrace like that in a league where 1 in 3 teams qualify for Europe of some description, we've been there twice in the last decade. No, no, no. It's a closed shop. Costs too much. Leads to relegation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty66 Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 Zaha and Bolasie talking absolute shit about Pardew on Soccer Saturday. "He loves tricky players" gave me a chuckle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 Losing yippeedefuck Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 As if that means it's not your opinion It's such a ridiculous point of view. The mackems stayed up last year thanks to the confidence and momentum they got from their cup run, what's to say that Sevilla didn't get close because of their run in the EL? How do you come to that conclusion? Common sense Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest John Carvery Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHoob Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 Pards has got no idea what he's doing. Why is Hangeland dropped as well? He has been great since he has been in the team. **** me, pardews lost the plot. We are gonna get murdered. Oh christ. Hope you know what your doing Mr pardew , not liking that line up one little bit , extremely concerned Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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