Hanshithispantz Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 OK M8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Literally ask any Newcastle fan and they'll tell you the main problem is Mike Ashley, suggesting otherwise is pointless, I'm not ever sure why you would do it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andymc1 Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Nobody will think everything is great when that happens, we'll accept it to a degree if results and performances under a new manager come, but even that has it's limits (look at the reactions to us signing no-one after finishing 5th). The problem is that Newcastle fans in general seem to just not have the energy any more to do anything, not that they don't understand what the problems are. They don't do anything because they don't understand. Are you suggesting that Newcastle United fans aren't fully aware Mike Ashley is the major problem with the club? If so, what a load of shit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 FWIW I don't think the current squad is good enough. I think there's a good chance of them going down even if we get rid of Pardew and replace him with a vastly more suitable manager due to the start he's given us, I wouldn't have said that about last years squad, or the one before that. The point still remains that Pardew needs to go, it's something the fans can directly play a part in, it's significantly more difficult to campaign against Ashley to sell the club, but I think driving his puppet out is a decent start. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_R Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 The main reason that Mike Ashley is the biggest problem at Newcastle is that any other owner would have sacked Pardew by now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 The main reason that Mike Ashley is the biggest problem at Newcastle is that any other owner would have sacked Pardew by now. No. The main reason is the reason why he hasn't sacked Pardew. Not the action itself. Although it's important. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Nobody will think everything is great when that happens, we'll accept it to a degree if results and performances under a new manager come, but even that has it's limits (look at the reactions to us signing no-one after finishing 5th). The problem is that Newcastle fans in general seem to just not have the energy any more to do anything, not that they don't understand what the problems are. They don't do anything because they don't understand. Are you suggesting that Newcastle United fans aren't fully aware Mike Ashley is the major problem with the club? If so, what a load of s***. If the fans realised what a cancer he is - they wouldn't turn up. Bringing those great signings and that 5th finish, along with the propaganda has made him comfortable enough to attend games again. If the heat were on him the way it is on Pardew. He would run down back south. He's so comfortable right now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStar Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 If the heat were on him the way it is on Pardew. He would run down back south. He's so comfortable right now. He had as much heat as we could throw at him after the Keegan sacking, he's still here. It's important to focus efforts on Pardew because he's in the middle of relegating us and we have a real chance of forcing him out. Focusing on Ashley when he's not going anywhere (and even if he wanted to, he can't until there's a buyer) is moronic and suicidal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benwell Lad Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Literally ask any Newcastle fan and they'll tell you the main problem is Mike Ashley, suggesting otherwise is pointless, I'm not ever sure why you would do it. Thing is, ask any fan in the country about their club's ownership and very few will be really happy - even those at clubs with mega rich owners spending crazy money are, in the main, not totally comfortable with it. Ours gets a lot of attention because he's a high profile retailer but other than him I'd struggle to name many, apart from the Glazers, Short and Gibson. Even the nutters at Hull, Cardiff and QPR's names escape me despite all the press they get. Our ownership is little more than symptomatic of what English football has become in the 21st century. We're certainly not unique. The manager issue is different. They do vary enormously. However for Saturday's protest to have failed so miserably, despite a year of poor results, last week's 4-0 hammering and being 2-0 down at home raises a lot of questions about how they went about it. It was a moment when they had everything going for them. My feeling is that Newcastle fans in the main are just sick of gimmicky protests and the embarrassment they cause. We've had poorly attended marches, mock funerals, open top buses, billboards etc. We've waved flags, banners etc and had more splinter protest groups than most could remember. It seems to achieve little more than bringing a few extra press vultures up from London for a weekend hoping to pile more ridicule on us. Backslapping each other about a well organised protest - which it obviously wasn't - and to have those who did want protest calling the 48,500 or so who didn't, "sheep", "cunts", "knackers" "idiots" or whatever is not really the way forward. Or maybe it is in their eyes ? What is needed is a sane, rational, non-gimmicky agenda which engages the majority of match attending supporters and the city in general. That or a practical, business savvy consortium like the original Magpie Group who would be taken seriously. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Literally ask any Newcastle fan and they'll tell you the main problem is Mike Ashley, suggesting otherwise is pointless, I'm not ever sure why you would do it. Thing is, ask any fan in the country about their club's ownership and very few will be really happy - even those at clubs with mega rich owners spending crazy money are, in the main, not totally comfortable with it. Ours gets a lot of attention because he's a high profile retailer but other than him I'd struggle to name many, apart from the Glazers, Short and Gibson. Even the nutters at Hull, Cardiff and QPR's names escape me despite all the press they get. Our ownership is little more than symptomatic of what English football has become in the 21st century. We're certainly not unique. The manager issue is different. They do vary enormously. However for Saturday's protest to have failed so miserably, despite a year of poor results, last week's 4-0 hammering and being 2-0 down at home raises a lot of questions about how they went about it. It was a moment when they had everything going for them. My feeling is that Newcastle fans in the main are just sick of gimmicky protests and the embarrassment they cause. We've had poorly attended marches, mock funerals, open top buses, billboards etc. We've waved flags, banners etc and had more splinter protest groups than most could remember. It seems to achieve little more than bringing a few extra press vultures up from London for a weekend hoping to pile more ridicule on us. Backslapping each other about a well organised protest - which it obviously wasn't - and to have those who did want protest calling the 48,500 or so who didn't, "sheep", "cunts", "knackers" "idiots" or whatever is not really the way forward. Or maybe it is in their eyes ? What is needed is a sane, rational, non-gimmicky agenda which engages the majority of match attending supporters and the city in general. That or a practical, business savvy consortium like the original Magpie Group who would be taken seriously. Give it a try then Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 "My feeling is that Newcastle fans in the main are just sick of gimmicky protests and the embarrassment they cause." And this is the problem, and what I meant by Newcastle fans just not having the energy anymore. Whether or not anyone felt the protest was embarrassing or gimmicky, they had an opportunity to display their feelings towards Pardew and completely declined in doing so, instead deciding to "support the team." They didn't have to hold cards or banners, or ever adhere to the set 5 minute point for a protest, but just do something. The stage was set for their voices to be heard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dembacha Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Literally ask any Newcastle fan and they'll tell you the main problem is Mike Ashley, suggesting otherwise is pointless, I'm not ever sure why you would do it. Thing is, ask any fan in the country about their club's ownership and very few will be really happy - even those at clubs with mega rich owners spending crazy money are, in the main, not totally comfortable with it. Ours gets a lot of attention because he's a high profile retailer but other than him I'd struggle to name many, apart from the Glazers, Short and Gibson. Even the nutters at Hull, Cardiff and QPR's names escape me despite all the press they get. Our ownership is little more than symptomatic of what English football has become in the 21st century. We're certainly not unique. The manager issue is different. They do vary enormously. However for Saturday's protest to have failed so miserably, despite a year of poor results, last week's 4-0 hammering and being 2-0 down at home raises a lot of questions about how they went about it. It was a moment when they had everything going for them. My feeling is that Newcastle fans in the main are just sick of gimmicky protests and the embarrassment they cause. We've had poorly attended marches, mock funerals, open top buses, billboards etc. We've waved flags, banners etc and had more splinter protest groups than most could remember. It seems to achieve little more than bringing a few extra press vultures up from London for a weekend hoping to pile more ridicule on us. Backslapping each other about a well organised protest - which it obviously wasn't - and to have those who did want protest calling the 48,500 or so who didn't, "sheep", "c***s", "knackers" "idiots" or whatever is not really the way forward. Or maybe it is in their eyes ? What is needed is a sane, rational, non-gimmicky agenda which engages the majority of match attending supporters and the city in general. That or a practical, business savvy consortium like the original Magpie Group who would be taken seriously. What was irrational about the sackpardew protest? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 If we do go down, I'll be blaming SP.com like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanSkÃrare Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Literally ask any Newcastle fan and they'll tell you the main problem is Mike Ashley, suggesting otherwise is pointless, I'm not ever sure why you would do it. Thing is, ask any fan in the country about their club's ownership and very few will be really happy - even those at clubs with mega rich owners spending crazy money are, in the main, not totally comfortable with it. Ours gets a lot of attention because he's a high profile retailer but other than him I'd struggle to name many, apart from the Glazers, Short and Gibson. Even the nutters at Hull, Cardiff and QPR's names escape me despite all the press they get. Our ownership is little more than symptomatic of what English football has become in the 21st century. We're certainly not unique. The manager issue is different. They do vary enormously. However for Saturday's protest to have failed so miserably, despite a year of poor results, last week's 4-0 hammering and being 2-0 down at home raises a lot of questions about how they went about it. It was a moment when they had everything going for them. My feeling is that Newcastle fans in the main are just sick of gimmicky protests and the embarrassment they cause. We've had poorly attended marches, mock funerals, open top buses, billboards etc. We've waved flags, banners etc and had more splinter protest groups than most could remember. It seems to achieve little more than bringing a few extra press vultures up from London for a weekend hoping to pile more ridicule on us. Backslapping each other about a well organised protest - which it obviously wasn't - and to have those who did want protest calling the 48,500 or so who didn't, "sheep", "c***s", "knackers" "idiots" or whatever is not really the way forward. Or maybe it is in their eyes ? What is needed is a sane, rational, non-gimmicky agenda which engages the majority of match attending supporters and the city in general. That or a practical, business savvy consortium like the original Magpie Group who would be taken seriously. Yeah, the argument on there is really irrational and insane. Especially the statements. The problem isn't and wasn't the first organised and factually based protest without any ego fronting it - the problem is what the club has managed to do to the fanbase. If there's no expectation of anything, there will be very little disappointment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paully Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 http://sackpardew.com/quotes/pardviews/ Some gems in there! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Literally ask any Newcastle fan and they'll tell you the main problem is Mike Ashley, suggesting otherwise is pointless, I'm not ever sure why you would do it. Thing is, ask any fan in the country about their club's ownership and very few will be really happy - even those at clubs with mega rich owners spending crazy money are, in the main, not totally comfortable with it. Ours gets a lot of attention because he's a high profile retailer but other than him I'd struggle to name many, apart from the Glazers, Short and Gibson. Even the nutters at Hull, Cardiff and QPR's names escape me despite all the press they get. Our ownership is little more than symptomatic of what English football has become in the 21st century. We're certainly not unique. The manager issue is different. They do vary enormously. However for Saturday's protest to have failed so miserably, despite a year of poor results, last week's 4-0 hammering and being 2-0 down at home raises a lot of questions about how they went about it. It was a moment when they had everything going for them. My feeling is that Newcastle fans in the main are just sick of gimmicky protests and the embarrassment they cause. We've had poorly attended marches, mock funerals, open top buses, billboards etc. We've waved flags, banners etc and had more splinter protest groups than most could remember. It seems to achieve little more than bringing a few extra press vultures up from London for a weekend hoping to pile more ridicule on us. Backslapping each other about a well organised protest - which it obviously wasn't - and to have those who did want protest calling the 48,500 or so who didn't, "sheep", "cunts", "knackers" "idiots" or whatever is not really the way forward. Or maybe it is in their eyes ? What is needed is a sane, rational, non-gimmicky agenda which engages the majority of match attending supporters and the city in general. That or a practical, business savvy consortium like the original Magpie Group who would be taken seriously. Think the protest failed pretty much down to one thing. Sure, the Colloccini and others asking for backing and the stewards removing a proportion of flyers didn't help, also the mixed feelings of doing something that might affect the expression of support for Jonas and the team played a part. But I think the fact that it was suggested people do something at a specific time was a killer. People angry going into the ground felt thy needed to hold back before venting and it killed the mood. It's fine for a round of applause, but plenty were sitting on their hands waiting for a reaction at 5 minutes and when it was sporadic at best, like fuck were they going to hold up an A4 sheet and join in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 The fundamental flaw in comparing the relevant strengths of our squad to, say, Everton is that you are only viewing the merits of the Everton players as coached by Martinez or Moyes and our players as coached by Pardew. That exacerbates any difference in quality between the squads. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Even at 2-0 down at home at Hull City, the people in the ground didn't bother kicking up a fuss. Then they applauded the players off after a draw that left the club in the relegation zone. That says more about them than the people organising the protest. Oh sorry yes they supported their team and roared them on to a comeback didn't they? Weird like cos most of the people round me just sat and whinged to each other. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimburst Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 The fundamental flaw in comparing the relevant strengths of our squad to, say, Everton is that you are only viewing the merits of the Everton players as coached by Martinez or Moyes and our players as coached by Pardew. That exacerbates any difference in quality between the squads. Aye, as if Naismith would score in our team ffs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 John Carver “Every Monday he comes into work having compiled a defensive report on the opposition. That’s his project, working with our video analysts to provide players with the best information. “This week, for example, he will talk about Manchester City’s angles of attack, their set-pieces, their movement, as well as focussing on individuals. “The lads will be made aware of Dzeko’s strengths and weaknesses, the best way to nullify Silva, Milner’s incredible work-rate, everything. “That takes care of Monday to Thursday. On Friday it’s my turn when we look at ways to get at opponents. Put simply, Alan concentrates on how not to lose and I then find ways to win.” :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gino14 Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 There seems to be a big difference between the views of passive weekend fans and people who take a genuine interest in the club. Everyone in the Facebook comments for Chronicle articles are raging about him. They're pointing out facts from sackpardew and they're using quotes about challenging for champions league and him now saying we can't compete for top six. The passive fan that Sky find on the street though trots out some nonsense about him needing time and how Ashley is at fault. My attitude has always been that of course we'll do nothing big with Ashley in charge, but at the end of the day once the transfer window shuts the squad is the squad. In the months between September and January I look at this squad and think about where it should finish. It's a weak squad, probably somewhere between 9th and 14th in quality because of some glaring weaknesses in defence and up front. What it isn't however is rock bottom material. People aren't going to convince me that Burnley, Leicester and QPR have better squads for starters. Then there's the likes of Hull, Villa and Crystal Palace. We should at least be competitive with those squads. At present we're not and there is no excuse for that, even for those who would like to lay it at Ashley's door. Pardew has a squad that with some positivity should be top half and then he should pressure Ashley in January. He won't though because he's a spineless goon. For me the protest is a success. The attention it has gotten is phenomenal. Momentum will build because the Spotlight is on Pardew. He isn't going to become a good manager any time soon so we'll keep being awful. After a while it will tell. Look at how he looked last week. He looked like he'd rolled out of bed after downing a bottle of whiskey the night before. I believe he'll go sooner or later, so no reason not to keep the pressure on. Anyone saying "who else would we get?" needs to be promptly told where to go. Anyone is the answer. Anyone who will set up to win games, who isn't beaten before he starts. Also I'll take anyone who isn't losing almost every game. That's what Pardew is. He's defeat, he's negativity and he's like waking up on a cloudy day, with it starting to piss down and you realise you don't have a coat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 John Carver “Every Monday he comes into work having compiled a defensive report on the opposition. That’s his project, working with our video analysts to provide players with the best information. “This week, for example, he will talk about Manchester City’s angles of attack, their set-pieces, their movement, as well as focussing on individuals. “The lads will be made aware of Dzeko’s strengths and weaknesses, the best way to nullify Silva, Milner’s incredible work-rate, everything. “That takes care of Monday to Thursday. On Friday it’s my turn when we look at ways to get at opponents. Put simply, Alan concentrates on how not to lose and I then find ways to win.” :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: In that case they are both monumental failures. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swissmag Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 John Carver “Every Monday he comes into work having compiled a defensive report on the opposition. That’s his project, working with our video analysts to provide players with the best information. “This week, for example, he will talk about Manchester City’s angles of attack, their set-pieces, their movement, as well as focussing on individuals. “The lads will be made aware of Dzeko’s strengths and weaknesses, the best way to nullify Silva, Milner’s incredible work-rate, everything. “That takes care of Monday to Thursday. On Friday it’s my turn when we look at ways to get at opponents. Put simply, Alan concentrates on how not to lose and I then find ways to win.” :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Someone please tell me that this is a joke Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Consortium of one Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Ashley is like pancreatic cancer. Pardew is the cancer that has spread to the lymph nodes. One will be the primary cause of death but both are killing us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillClinton Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 http://sackpardew.com/quotes/pardviews/ Some gems in there! Some of those quotes man... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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