Mole_Toonfan Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Southgate probably isn't good enough but i don't think any manager can get much from this group, there's some talented forward players but most of the defenders are utter s**** and the CM options are utterly depressing. Jordan Henderson, Eric Dier, Fabian Delph, Danny Drinkwater, Jonjo Shelvey, Jack Cork, James Ward-Prowse, Jack Wilshere, Ryan Mason, Tom Carroll, Ruben Loftus-Cheek, Liam Baker, Nathaniel Chalobah. Don't think i'm missing anyone there, but none of them are any good. If the midfield is utterly s**** which it quite painfully is, then it's hard for any manager to get anything from the team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Southgate probably isn't good enough but i don't think any manager can get much from this group, there's some talented forward players but most of the defenders are utter s**** and the CM options are utterly depressing. Jordan Henderson, Eric Dier, Fabian Delph, Danny Drinkwater, Jonjo Shelvey, Jack Cork, James Ward-Prowse, Jack Wilshere, Ryan Mason, Tom Carroll, Ruben Loftus-Cheek, Liam Baker, Nathaniel Chalobah. Don't think i'm missing anyone there, but none of them are any good. If the midfield is utterly s**** which it quite painfully is, then it's hard for any manager to get anything from the team. Barkley is the obvious miss. Needs to fulfil some potential though. He's clearly got some ability. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Time to give Will Hughes a go? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paully Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 What on earth has Vardy done wrong? Rooney is still going to be a big problem because he'll be first sub introduced 9 times out of 10! That is now five utter shite England matches in a row! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Southgate probably isn't good enough but i don't think any manager can get much from this group, there's some talented forward players but most of the defenders are utter s**** and the CM options are utterly depressing. Jordan Henderson, Eric Dier, Fabian Delph, Danny Drinkwater, Jonjo Shelvey, Jack Cork, James Ward-Prowse, Jack Wilshere, Ryan Mason, Tom Carroll, Ruben Loftus-Cheek, Liam Baker, Nathaniel Chalobah. Don't think i'm missing anyone there, but none of them are any good. If the midfield is utterly s**** which it quite painfully is, then it's hard for any manager to get anything from the team. Barkley is the obvious miss. Needs to fulfil some potential though. He's clearly got some ability. Yeah. In general, we do have some talented players who, for one reason or another, weren't out there last night - Barkley, Wilshere, Lallana, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Welbeck - players who can make things happen. A fit and in-form Wilshere would have made a big difference, but I fear the worst for his career, with so many injuries early on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoot Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Can we just lock this thread until November. Club football returns this weekend. Pipe down, Wyclef. Not a clue what that means. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Lock this thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Henderson's Ronaldinho pass Howay man. He's highly underrated, haven't you heard? Bottles tackles and hides behind teammates but he's underrated bro. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 There are plenty of posts about him being shit and a post just on the last page about him being overrated. I reckon he's underrated but last night he was terrible, it's not that difficult a concept. If you watch Liverpool you'll see how useful he can be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 I didn't even realise this was on until 9pm then I didn't bother with the rest Similar happened with the Malta game. Almost entirely disinterested at this stage. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattoon Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 I put it on with the background but it got that dull I just stopped watching. Becoming a bit of a joke these days. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John P Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Completely lost interest in the England team like. Watched about 10 mins of the Malta game and watched Location Location Location instead of this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paully Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Four goals from the last five matches; Slovenia Malta Slovakia Iceland Slovakia Not to mention one was a pen and one was in the 95th minute! Shite! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgarve Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Completely lost interest in the England team like. Watched about 10 mins of the Malta game and watched Location Location Location instead of this. You're hard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paully Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 http://news.sky.com/story/police-feared-england-fan-deaths-in-battle-of-marseille-at-euro-2016-10613565 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 http://news.sky.com/story/police-feared-england-fan-deaths-in-battle-of-marseille-at-euro-2016-10613565 Our performances in qualifying recently would suggest we're hoping to not have to go to Russia, so that fits. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 What on earth has Vardy done wrong? Rooney is still going to be a big problem because he'll be first sub introduced 9 times out of 10! That is now five utter s**** England matches in a row! Vardys time was in the Euros when he was completely wasted. His form this season doesn't really justify inclusion, but he was probably a better shout than Sturridge. Deeney, Rashford & Antonio of West Ham have had the best start for attacking English players & were obviously all overlooked because choosing players on form is proper mental. Its so boring talking about the obvious with England now. Even Walcott for me is consistantly wasted if not played centrally. It only works with Arsenal because Sanchez is the forward player & he can get everywhere & do everything. Walcott normally scores when Sanchez vacates his position & Walcott runs in. He's not an efficient wide player atall. No idea how Lingard earnt his place etc etc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawK Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Vardy's goals to minutes ratio of the preceding season to the finals for England was better than twice as good as Kane's, must clinical striker we had at international level. Woy's an idiot. That said, if all the team can do is run fast and doesn't have any brains, it's no wonder we can't score any goals vs teams that sit behind the ball. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Rashford, Vardy and Sturridge could form a decent front 3 IMO, maybe Henderson/Lallana/Wilshere behind. A bit like how Liverpool are playing now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 I'm sick of hearing the like's of Rio Ferdinand still banging that if the team were to click then it has massive potential. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 How many of the English players have shone on the biggest stage? (Champions League) against good teams? There's decent quality there, but imo they just aren't that good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 How many of the English players have shone on the biggest stage? (Champions League) against good teams? There's decent quality there, but imo they just aren't that good. None, we really don't have any greats and rarely produce them. Also, we have way to much hype about anyone that looks half decent. They then get a bumper contract and fast tracked into the England squad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
beardsleymagic Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 For years now I've thought all we really needed was a good attack minded manager who would get the best out of the players we have. But now I realize that we've all been taken in by sky's hype. I've now come to the conclusion that a lot will already know..... the England players just aren't that good. The fact of the matter is without the foreign players in a lot of cases making the English ones look better than they actually are the Premier league would be one of the worst around. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 For years now I've thought all we really needed was a good attack minded manager who would get the best out of the players we have. But now I realize that we've all been taken in by sky's hype. I've now come to the conclusion that a lot will already know..... the England players just aren't that good. The fact of the matter is without the foreign players in a lot of cases making the English ones look better than they actually are the Premier league would be one of the worst around. Talented kids get their skills coached out of them by managers being more interested in formations and tactics rather than developing players for the future. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 A big problem with England is that all players just play in the same league, and has done all their lives. Not a single one has experience (except for Hart who has been away for a about a day and a half) of playing and being coached anywhere else. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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