Lenny Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 He has played a lot deeper since signing for Liverpool hasn't he? His first season there was more AM but now he's just a ball winning/recycling CM, maybe to keep Salah and the fullbacks higher up the pitch. He still creates as much as Henderson, who sees more of the ball and makes many more passes, presumably as the go-to player who collects from the defence. Some numbers you can play with, with Shelvey and Diame in for comparison. http://www2.squawka.com/comparison-matrix#premier_league/2017/2018/jordan_henderson/819/819/86/0/p|premier_league/2017/2018/jonjo_shelvey/819/819/523/39/p|premier_league/2017/2018/mohamed_diam%C3%A9/819/819/922/39/p|premier_league/2016/2017/georginio_wijnaldum/819/641/7968/36/p|premier_league/2017/2018/georginio_wijnaldum/819/819/7968/36/p#total_score/key_passes/chances_created/assists/pass_completion/avg_pass_length/goals_scored/total_duels_%/fouls_committed/fouls_suffered/total_passes/total_forward_passes#total Playing bread and butter CM in this way, and not just "ghost in and score but otherwise invisible" AM, suggests he is much more useful that he looked for us. For us, I think the goals he scored came from very few shots, famously all four in that Norwich game, so that level of production is unlikely to be repeated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 I would 100% have him back. Think he could be great under Rafa. He's already been trash under Rafa. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 He has played a lot deeper since signing for Liverpool hasn't he? His first season there was more AM but now he's just a ball winning/recycling CM, maybe to keep Salah and the fullbacks higher up the pitch. He still creates as much as Henderson, who sees more of the ball and makes many more passes, presumably as the go-to player who collects from the defence. Some numbers you can play with, with Shelvey and Diame in for comparison. http://www2.squawka.com/comparison-matrix#premier_league/2017/2018/jordan_henderson/819/819/86/0/p|premier_league/2017/2018/jonjo_shelvey/819/819/523/39/p|premier_league/2017/2018/mohamed_diam%C3%A9/819/819/922/39/p|premier_league/2016/2017/georginio_wijnaldum/819/641/7968/36/p|premier_league/2017/2018/georginio_wijnaldum/819/819/7968/36/p#total_score/key_passes/chances_created/assists/pass_completion/avg_pass_length/goals_scored/total_duels_%/fouls_committed/fouls_suffered/total_passes/total_forward_passes#total Playing bread and butter CM in this way, and not just "ghost in and score but otherwise invisible" AM, suggests he is much more useful that he looked for us. For us, I think the goals he scored came from very few shots, famously all four in that Norwich game, so that level of production is unlikely to be repeated. In 32 games he never misplaced a single pass last season? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 He's improved a lot under Klopp. Think he'd improve us, played consistently for them last season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 Would have him back in a heartbeat tbh. He's genuine class, he may go missing a few times, but with Rafa at the helm i'm sure he'd be more involved. Klopp couldn't so i'd have my doubts. Problem with him is he's best at making runs from midfield to score. He doesn't really put his foot on the ball and set the tempo which means he disappears a lot by nature. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 If he isn't scoring he isn't doing anything else. Nothing at all. Really dislike his game so much. Was a tremendous achievement shipping him to Liverpool for the money we did. Bigger scam than the Sissoko deal perhaps. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 I have no morals whatsoever, so it's a yes from me. It's all hyper bollocks though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Zaius Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 If he's being shipped out of Liverpool he's hardly been great for them has he. Us and a Turkish graveyard club the only ones interested? Says all you need to know. He was shite here and obviously hasn't pulled up any tree's for Liverpool. No thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 If he's being shipped out of Liverpool he's hardly been great for them has he. Us and a Turkish graveyard club the only ones interested? Says all you need to know. He was shite here and obviously hasn't pulled up any tree's for Liverpool. No thanks. That's a great post apart from the fact that Liverpool don't want rid of him, he has asked them to leave for first team football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemtizz Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 Much prefer Moussa back before this freak. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Logic Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 He's improved a lot under Klopp. Think he'd improve us, played consistently for them last season. Not so sure he's improved, just got back to his level after listening to Pardew explain the game and thinking 'wtf'. Anyway, almost certainly a load of bollocks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 He's improved a lot under Klopp. Think he'd improve us, played consistently for them last season. Not so sure he's improved, just got back to his level after listening to Pardew explain the game and thinking 'wtf'. Anyway, almost certainly a load of bollocks. Never played for Pardew. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 He's improved a lot under Klopp. Think he'd improve us, played consistently for them last season. Not so sure he's improved, just got back to his level after listening to Pardew explain the game and thinking 'wtf'. Anyway, almost certainly a load of bollocks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 Can barely believe some of the comments in here. Guy was first choice midfield player for a WC semi finalist four years ago, was sold by us for 25m two years back, contested in a Champions League final barely two months ago and at 27 is just hitting his prime, yet some wouldn’t have him back on a free. Rumour is nonsense of course, and he’s no world beater by any measure, but we’ll do very well to sign better players than him this summer imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 He's improved a lot under Klopp. Think he'd improve us, played consistently for them last season. He hasn't improved man. Milner jumped him in midfield as did Ox when he came in. There's a reason Klopp has gone and bought two central midfielders as soon as the season's ended. This guy is not good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 Yeah. It's fine not to want him because of the circumstances last time, but to say he's shite is a different matter. Wasn't he a fairly important player for Klopp? I suppose with Fabinho and Keita coming in, someone has to go and he's maybe decided it's Wijnaldum and Can. But a better team will sign him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 Yeah. It's fine not to want him because of the circumstances last time, but to say he's shite is a different matter. Wasn't he a fairly important player for Klopp? I suppose with Fabinho and Keita coming in, someone has to go and he's maybe decided it's Wijnaldum and Can. But a better team will sign him. No he was not important man! The midfield was Hendo, Milner and Ox. He really only played when he first came in and then once he was sussed he only played when everyone else was injured. This is killing me guys. He isn't good. We played him at number 10 and he didn't produce. Tried him wide and he didn't produce, played him in central midfield and he didn't produce. He never did anything. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 Apart from 11 goals and 5 assists Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 We could do with 11 goals from midfield next season like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 We could do with 11 goals from midfield next season like. It'd be nice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 Man, you guys are incredible Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astroblack Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 Would love him back. He wasn't used to his potential at Liverpool although understandable considering their other players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 Man, you guys are incredible Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoot Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 If Rafa wants him back I'm all for it. I don't understand why so many people get upset by plauyers we're linked with. Surely if Rafa wants them that should be good enough for us? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 If Rafa wants him back I'm all for it. I don't understand why so many people get upset by plauyers we're linked with. Surely if Rafa wants them that should be good enough for us? Is the correct answer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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