thomas Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 I, too, would grudgingly accept his sale if we brought in someone who scored twice as many as he ever will Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 That's all well and good, but we can't afford the age excuse. We were relegated during his development last time, and he hasn't improved since. If it ends up clicking with him then fair enough, but I'd happily let it happen elsewhere, rather than take that risk based on very little. What development? He was never afforded any time to develop, he came in as one for the future and within weeks he was given the responsibility of being the man that would get us the premiership goals we needed to survive. You might say that with a 12million price tag, we should expect him to be up to it, but then you remember that 22 years ago we spent £15 million on the man for that job. I don't really disagree with any of that, but you've only really described the problem. It's not necessarily his fault that he was thrown in at the deep end, but if the club's only willing to pay for potential and not nurture it while there's an alternative, then what's the point? We already know that we have to lose players to bring new ones in, so if it's a simple choice between him and Rafa bringing in a new striker, the latter is the obvious choice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLiaaamx Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 Get pelters for it, but I think we might have stayed up if he got the nod more over Cisse, who was absolutely atrocious and not worthy of his spot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 That's all well and good, but we can't afford the age excuse. We were relegated during his development last time, and he hasn't improved since. If it ends up clicking with him then fair enough, but I'd happily let it happen elsewhere, rather than take that risk based on very little. I understand this, but I don't understand it at the same time. He's not our main striker, he's young and developing, yet people are giving up after two seasons? His hold up play is decent, he's in the right places to get chances at goal but is let down by his finishing at the moment. It's not as if he's totally useless. Who would you want within the team to take his place? I think you're being kind there, he's our second striker so he's likely to feature in most matches next season. Considering our need to take chances when they come along, he's a big risk based on both season's of his terrible finishing. Granted, he's young, but we're not in a position to nurture, we need a degree of reliability that he simply doesn't have at the moment. To answer your question, I would want whoever Rafa wants to play in his system. It's no secret that I don't like Mitrovic as a player, but I'll concede that I'd have a lot more time for him if he was third in line, learning from mistakes and progressing behind the scenes/on loan/for the reserves, instead of being option 2 off the bench, or a Gayle injury away from starting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 The one I'd sell would be Perez, you'd get the most money for him, he flatters to deceive and is easily marked out of a game. 6 months ago I would had agreed in selling him, but I thought he ended the season very well. I thought he was incredibly disappointing and yet he still scored 15 ish and grabbed a fair few assists. I didn't rate Mitrovic at the start of last season and still massively overestimated his goal contribution for the season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 Perez only got 9 in the league but his contribution on the whole was absolutely vital, in spite of the fact he was a bit disappointing altogether (I thought he'd tear the Championship up). He's got plenty more going for him than Mitrovic though, who has virtually no goalscoring instinct whatsoever, in addition to no pace and no skill or flair. The guy's got a bit of physicality (which he doesn't really know how to use) and he's decent in the air. Just isn't gonna be enough in the PL and without those raw attributes, he isn't going to improve enough. Perez still might. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 Get pelters for it, but I think we might have stayed up if he got the nod more over Cisse, who was absolutely atrocious and not worthy of his spot. We only started getting results when Mitro didn't start games Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 I've still got no idea what Perez's position is like, but he was decent with flashes of brilliance from about Christmas onwards iirc. He was total shite before that. With his technique and finishing ability there'll always be the chance of him 'coming good' imo. Mitrovic will never be a goalscorer and Rafa plays 1 striker taking £15m seems a no brainer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 I've still got no idea what Perez's position is like, but he was decent with flashes of brilliance from about Christmas onwards iirc. He was total s**** before that. With his technique and finishing ability there'll always be the chance of him 'coming good' imo. Mitrovic will never be a goalscorer and Rafa plays 1 striker taking £15m seems a no brainer. I remember Perez missing a hatful of chances against QPR (h). Think it was onwards from that game he was decent. Your point still stands, like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 Mitrovic genuinely looks a quality #9 for Serbia, which is the puzzler. I mean so was Zigic, like, but point still stands. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 Worse opposition most of the time at international level too Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 To those who vote for Sell, please kindly suggest who to bring in for 15m within our reach, or who to loan in that really can do a job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 To those who vote for Sell, please kindly suggest who to bring in for 15m within our reach, or who to loan in that really can do a job. Is that a rule now for having an opinion that a player is not good and not worth keeping? We have to somehow know the availability of replacements/improvements? Seems like a silly requirement tbh. I'll just stick to thinking he's not worth keeping, ta. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decky Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 I'd sell. Lets not forget every match day on here last season when he played. Constantly missing good chances and everyone hated him. We can't afford his shit finishing in the Premier League. Get rid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sugoinufc Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 If his replacement is f***ing Rolan I'd definitely rather keep him. This. this Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 To those who vote for Sell, please kindly suggest who to bring in for 15m within our reach, or who to loan in that really can do a job. Is that a rule now for having an opinion that a player is not good and not worth keeping? We have to somehow know the availability of replacements/improvements? Seems like a silly requirement tbh. I'll just stick to thinking he's not worth keeping, ta. Because I consider the option of "get rid without replacement" equals to bullshit. What's the point of getting 15m and then relegate? Hanging on Mitrovic may not guarantee us safe, but having Gayle as the only striker for this season guarantee Championship next season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_69 Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 To those who vote for Sell, please kindly suggest who to bring in for 15m within our reach, or who to loan in that really can do a job. Is that a rule now for having an opinion that a player is not good and not worth keeping? We have to somehow know the availability of replacements/improvements? Seems like a silly requirement tbh. I'll just stick to thinking he's not worth keeping, ta. Because I consider the option of "get rid without replacement" equals to bullshit. What's the point of getting 15m and then relegate? Hanging on Mitrovic may not guarantee us safe, but having Gayle as the only striker for this season guarantee Championship next season. Mitro isn't the striker we need. He doesn't score enough in the PL and he didn't score enough in the championship and he doesn't fit into the system that Rafa plays. I love the guy but I don't see the point in keeping him. I'm confident we could get a striker for £15m that fits Rafa's style better and would at least equal the 8-10 goals we'll get from Mitro this season. Negredo might be worth taking a punt on for example, he's a much better finisher than Mitro for a start Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 If his replacement is f***ing Rolan I'd definitely rather keep him. This. this How much of Rolan have the 3 of you seen out of interest. Would be interested to having a first hand scouting report on him as I've a feeling that it is a case of him being one of our late in the window options. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 Where's M4? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 No smartarse motorway answers please. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 To those who vote for Sell, please kindly suggest who to bring in for 15m within our reach, or who to loan in that really can do a job. Is that a rule now for having an opinion that a player is not good and not worth keeping? We have to somehow know the availability of replacements/improvements? Seems like a silly requirement tbh. I'll just stick to thinking he's not worth keeping, ta. Because I consider the option of "get rid without replacement" equals to bullshit. What's the point of getting 15m and then relegate? Hanging on Mitrovic may not guarantee us safe, but having Gayle as the only striker for this season guarantee Championship next season. Mitro isn't the striker we need. He doesn't score enough in the PL and he didn't score enough in the championship and he doesn't fit into the system that Rafa plays. I love the guy but I don't see the point in keeping him. I'm confident we could get a striker for £15m that fits Rafa's style better and would at least equal the 8-10 goals we'll get from Mitro this season. Negredo might be worth taking a punt on for example, he's a much better finisher than Mitro for a start Aye, see how many people would fancy Negredo for Mitrovic? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 Not a chance I would swap Mitro for Negredo, the guy is finished. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 Any player that would replace mitro would be an unproven gamble so we need to work out if it's best to try and develop him or try something new Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_69 Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 Not a chance I would swap Mitro for Negredo, the guy is finished. 9 goals and 4 assists last season in a team completely devoid of creativity, playing up front on his own. He's still only 31 Mitro got only 8 goals and 6 assists in the championship? I don't see how Negredo is finished? Fair enough if you don't rate him but the stats don't seem to back up your statement. Also bear in mind the guy would be being coached/managed by Rafa - i'd be far more confident of Negredo getting 15+ goals in our team than Mitro next season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 no doubt in my mind rafa can get a better striker to suit his system either on loan or for £15m like, none whatsoever Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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