Aleksandar Mitrović

[Guest]

Not sure how anyone can really be so sure on their judgement of Mitrovic. When was the last time he got a run of 5-10 starts which all strikers need? Think he can absolutely be better than Gayle & obviously Joselu, but he hasn't had a look in and some fans have written him off anyway by the sounds of it.

 

Daft really. Keep hearing Gayle is better for us but unless you play to his very limited strengths, which we don't (we play lofted balls forward & deep crossed into the box very often) then Mitrovic is the best option for us all day long. Which is why some won't stop harping on about him starting.

 

Another thing is, Gayle and Joselu have confidence issues, their heads go down so easily. Mitrovic has been treat like s*** here and yet he still looks brimming with confidence and positivity when he eventually makes it onto the pitch.

 

You need to not get yourself banned to make it to 5-10 starts, like. Not to mention his 29 appearances last season where he was useless. He should be getting more chances than he is, there's no denying that, but this whole idea that he hasn't had chances or that he's been really hard done to is pure nonsense like. He simply hasn't performed when he's had chances, and he's limited his own chances by not performing and/or getting himself banned. I mean he's a striker and at the age of 23 he's been suspended due to yellow and red cards 12 times in 5 seasons. That's 1 less than Sergio Ramos in the same amount of time and it's completely indefensible. For whatever reason, some people overlook that or romanticise it, but to me he's just been a pure knacker that's needed to grow up.

 

He had almost a goal or assist a game in his starts like.

[Kaizero]

FWIW, I do think Newcastle United can get a better striker than Mitrovic, and I would very likely replace him if given the option even though I do really like him. As things stand though, he is clearly the best striker on our books. Beggars belief to think otherwise. It doesn't mean he's a world class striker, just that he's the best we've got.

[triggs]

FWIW, I do think Newcastle United can get a better striker than Mitrovic, and I would very likely replace him if given the option even though I do really like him. As things stand though, he is clearly the best striker on our books. Beggars belief to think otherwise. It doesn't mean he's a world class striker, just that he's the best we've got.

Don't see how you can say he's clearly better than Gayle

[Kaizero]

FWIW, I do think Newcastle United can get a better striker than Mitrovic, and I would very likely replace him if given the option even though I do really like him. As things stand though, he is clearly the best striker on our books. Beggars belief to think otherwise. It doesn't mean he's a world class striker, just that he's the best we've got.

Don't see how you can say he's clearly better than Gayle

 

Less minutes played per goal/assist in the PL. Also doing well for himself as a full international.

 

Gayle also has his history in the PL working against him. He's been here many times and failed each time.

[samptime29]

If he doesn’t start tomorrow it’ll be utterly f***ing tragic.

I doubt it.

 

 

Jesus Rafa!

[triggs]

FWIW, I do think Newcastle United can get a better striker than Mitrovic, and I would very likely replace him if given the option even though I do really like him. As things stand though, he is clearly the best striker on our books. Beggars belief to think otherwise. It doesn't mean he's a world class striker, just that he's the best we've got.

Don't see how you can say he's clearly better than Gayle

 

Less minutes played per goal/assist in the PL. Also doing well for himself as a full international.

Gayle has never played the majority of a season in the PL as a first choice striker iirc. He also should have two in his last three games but for a wrong decision from a linesman. The international thing isn't really relevant as Mitro wouldn't get in the England squad either and Gayle would get in the Serbia squad

[Infinitely Content]

If Mitrovic started the next 11 games and got 4 goals and 6 assists, would any of you be displeased? Because he is easily capable of that and his record proves it in whatever league or team he's played in, that's a fact.

 

Similarly, if Gayle started the next 11 games and got 4 goals and 6 assists I think he would be praised to the rafters. Hence the problem I see when people are quick to complain about Mitrovic with the idea that Gayle is clearly superior. It's much closer than that, yet anyone that praises Mitrovic is just being blindly affectionate, apparently.

[Hanshithispantz]

It isn't hard to see how warped the stats are when they suggest Mitrovic could directly be involved in 10 goals in our next 11 like.

[triggs]

If Mitrovic started the next 11 games and got 4 goals and 6 assists, would any of you be displeased? Because he is easily capable of that and his record proves it in whatever league or team he's played in, that's a fact.

Similarly, if Gayle started the next 11 games and got 4 goals and 6 assists I think he would be praised to the rafters. Hence the problem I see when people are quick to complain about Mitrovic with the idea that Gayle is clearly superior. It's much closer than that, yet anyone that praises Mitrovic is just being blindly affectionate, apparently.

Given he only got 4 assists in the entirety of 2015/16 in the PL, that "fact" is clearly bullshit

[Infinitely Content]

If Mitrovic started the next 11 games and got 4 goals and 6 assists, would any of you be displeased? Because he is easily capable of that and his record proves it in whatever league or team he's played in, that's a fact.

Similarly, if Gayle started the next 11 games and got 4 goals and 6 assists I think he would be praised to the rafters. Hence the problem I see when people are quick to complain about Mitrovic with the idea that Gayle is clearly superior. It's much closer than that, yet anyone that praises Mitrovic is just being blindly affectionate, apparently.

Given he only got 4 assists in the entirety of 2015/16 in the PL, that "fact" is clearly bullshit

 

22 starts, 9 goals, 4 assists. That's him being involved in a goal more than every other game. It's actually an even better record than his decent 16/17 record. I'd take that all day and I'd be surprised if Gayle or Joselu could better it this season.

[Guest firetotheworks]

 

 

FWIW, I do think Newcastle United can get a better striker than Mitrovic, and I would very likely replace him if given the option even though I do really like him. As things stand though, he is clearly the best striker on our books. Beggars belief to think otherwise. It doesn't mean he's a world class striker, just that he's the best we've got.

Don't see how you can say he's clearly better than Gayle

 

Less minutes played per goal/assist in the PL. Also doing well for himself as a full international.

 

Gayle also has his history in the PL working against him. He's been here many times and failed each time.

 

I dunno where you've pulled that one from or if I've made a huge oversight, but as far as I'm aware Gayle's been in the Premier League with one other club and made 27 starts with them, before his 5 starts with us, that's 32 matches he's started and he's scored 16 goals. Mitrovic has 30 starts and he's scored 10 goals. For all Mitrovic's international form with another team to point to, there's Gayle's form with us in Championship to point to.

 

You can make an argument for whoever, but it's hardly beggars belief if you prefer Gayle.

[TRon]

If Mitrovic started the next 11 games and got 4 goals and 6 assists, would any of you be displeased? Because he is easily capable of that and his record proves it in whatever league or team he's played in, that's a fact.

 

Similarly, if Gayle started the next 11 games and got 4 goals and 6 assists I think he would be praised to the rafters. Hence the problem I see when people are quick to complain about Mitrovic with the idea that Gayle is clearly superior. It's much closer than that, yet anyone that praises Mitrovic is just being blindly affectionate, apparently.

 

He was our main striker when we got relegated. Much though I'd prefer him to be starting ahead of Joselu, he's not guaranteed to do any better this time round.

[Guest firetotheworks]

It isn't hard to see how warped the stats are when they suggest Mitrovic could directly be involved in 10 goals in our next 11 like.

Exactly as if just happens 11 matches in a row in the way it's presented.

[triggs]

If Mitrovic started the next 11 games and got 4 goals and 6 assists, would any of you be displeased? Because he is easily capable of that and his record proves it in whatever league or team he's played in, that's a fact.

Similarly, if Gayle started the next 11 games and got 4 goals and 6 assists I think he would be praised to the rafters. Hence the problem I see when people are quick to complain about Mitrovic with the idea that Gayle is clearly superior. It's much closer than that, yet anyone that praises Mitrovic is just being blindly affectionate, apparently.

Given he only got 4 assists in the entirety of 2015/16 in the PL, that "fact" is clearly bullshit

 

22 starts, 9 goals, 4 assists. That's him being involved in a goal more than every other game. It's actually an even better record than his decent 16/17 record. I'd take that all day and I'd be surprised if Gayle or Joselu could better it this season.

No it isn't. He got at least two of those goals in games he came off the bench so its not 9 goals in 22 starts and two of them were penalties which I personally wouldn't count when assessing how good a striker is.

 

Anyway your original point was that the stats showed that Mitro could be involved in 10 goals in the next 11 games in the PL when that is clearly bullshit

[Hanshithispantz]

You're warping his statistics though, he made 12 sub appearances on top of that. It's massively disingenuous like so you cannot be that confidant in your own argument.

 

You may as well point out that he has a goal every 70 minutes this season which comfortably puts him as the greatest Premier League striker ever.

[Infinitely Content]

If Mitrovic started the next 11 games and got 4 goals and 6 assists, would any of you be displeased? Because he is easily capable of that and his record proves it in whatever league or team he's played in, that's a fact.

 

Similarly, if Gayle started the next 11 games and got 4 goals and 6 assists I think he would be praised to the rafters. Hence the problem I see when people are quick to complain about Mitrovic with the idea that Gayle is clearly superior. It's much closer than that, yet anyone that praises Mitrovic is just being blindly affectionate, apparently.

 

He was our main striker when we got relegated. Much though I'd prefer him to be starting ahead of Joselu, he's not guaranteed to do any better this time round.

 

And he done his bit tbf. Involved in 13 goals in the season at 21 year old in a new league. Very good stats. If only other members of the squad done as much as him that season it might have been a different story. He was the least of our problems.

[Kanj]

We're not scoring the 1 or 2 chances we create a game because our strikers are on the whole, just not simply good enough. The ones that are getting more time on the pitch are not performing, they should be dropped for whoever else is on the bench who can try and shake things up and maybe play into some decent form.

[Infinitely Content]

If Mitrovic started the next 11 games and got 4 goals and 6 assists, would any of you be displeased? Because he is easily capable of that and his record proves it in whatever league or team he's played in, that's a fact.

Similarly, if Gayle started the next 11 games and got 4 goals and 6 assists I think he would be praised to the rafters. Hence the problem I see when people are quick to complain about Mitrovic with the idea that Gayle is clearly superior. It's much closer than that, yet anyone that praises Mitrovic is just being blindly affectionate, apparently.

Given he only got 4 assists in the entirety of 2015/16 in the PL, that "fact" is clearly bullshit

 

22 starts, 9 goals, 4 assists. That's him being involved in a goal more than every other game. It's actually an even better record than his decent 16/17 record. I'd take that all day and I'd be surprised if Gayle or Joselu could better it this season.

No it isn't. He got at least two of those goals in games he came off the bench so its not 9 goals in 22 starts and two of them were penalties which I personally wouldn't count when assessing how good a striker is.

 

Anyway your original point was that the stats showed that Mitro could be involved in 10 goals in the next 11 games in the PL when that is clearly bullshit

 

I think it's only fair to go off number of starts. 10 minutes at the ends of matches in varying circumstances (usually bad) isn't a good gauge of how well someone can play. Even if you remove two goals, it's 11 goals involved in, in 22 starts. 1 in 2. Again, I'll take that any day. No reason he won't do it again if he's given the chance.

[Hanshithispantz]

Joselu should be dropped but I really cannot see what Gayle has done to be finished with so quickly when the only alternative is someone who isn't a natural goalscorer by any stretch of the imagination.

 

I like Mitrovic too, but like in the relegation season we cannot afford to have him as our main striker when we're playing so shit, he just doesn't score enough.

[Infinitely Content]

Joselu should be dropped but I really cannot see what Gayle has done to be finished with so quickly when the only alternative is someone who isn't a natural goalscorer by any stretch of the imagination.

 

I like Mitrovic too, but like in the relegation season we cannot afford to have him as our main striker when we're playing so s***, he just doesn't score enough.

 

What I'm saying is, how can people be so confident and sure of Gayle starting yet so disregarding of Mitrovic starting? People, for whatever reason seem to think Gayle is superior when there's nothing to back that up. I'm not saying Mitrovic is superior either, I'm saying it's much closer than what people make out. Anyone who shouts for Mitrovic is considered blindly affectionate though. It's silly.

[triggs]

If Mitrovic started the next 11 games and got 4 goals and 6 assists, would any of you be displeased? Because he is easily capable of that and his record proves it in whatever league or team he's played in, that's a fact.

Similarly, if Gayle started the next 11 games and got 4 goals and 6 assists I think he would be praised to the rafters. Hence the problem I see when people are quick to complain about Mitrovic with the idea that Gayle is clearly superior. It's much closer than that, yet anyone that praises Mitrovic is just being blindly affectionate, apparently.

Given he only got 4 assists in the entirety of 2015/16 in the PL, that "fact" is clearly bullshit

 

22 starts, 9 goals, 4 assists. That's him being involved in a goal more than every other game. It's actually an even better record than his decent 16/17 record. I'd take that all day and I'd be surprised if Gayle or Joselu could better it this season.

No it isn't. He got at least two of those goals in games he came off the bench so its not 9 goals in 22 starts and two of them were penalties which I personally wouldn't count when assessing how good a striker is.

 

Anyway your original point was that the stats showed that Mitro could be involved in 10 goals in the next 11 games in the PL when that is clearly bullshit

 

I think it's only fair to go off number of starts. 10 minutes at the ends of matches in varying circumstances (usually bad) isn't a good gauge of how well someone can play. Even if you remove two goals, it's 11 goals involved in, in 22 starts. 1 in 2. Again, I'll take that any day. No reason he won't do it again if he's given the chance.

It was actually three goals he got coming off the bench. Suddenly its 6 goals in 22 starts, with two of those being penalties, so 4 goals from play in 22 starts.

[xLiaaamx]

One of those penalties was actually as a sub.

[Hanshithispantz]

I don't think anyone is saying people who shout for Mitrovic are blindly affectionate now though? 2 months ago maybe but even UncleBingo (who coined the term 'Shitrovic') is saying he would be playing him now.

 

In the past couple of weeks I've seen people (you included) arguing that Gayle is shite though whilst trying to justify Mitrovic's goal record. I'm not saying either is better than the other, it's hard to judge given how clearly unfit Gayle was at the start of the season and how little Mitrovic has played recently. I would start Gayle purely because there's a raft of evidence that he's the sharpest goalscorer we have and when teams are playing utter shite they're usually your best bet for a goal (see Sunderland and Defoe).

[Infinitely Content]

Aye and Shearer scored 58 penalties out of 260. Does that make his premier league record invalid? Don't think it's really fair to frame things like that.

[Infinitely Content]

I don't think anyone is saying people who shout for Mitrovic are blindly affectionate now though? 2 months ago maybe but even UncleBingo (who coined the term 'Shitrovic') is saying he would be playing him now.

 

In the past couple of weeks I've seen people (you included) arguing that Gayle is s**** though whilst trying to justify Mitrovic's goal record. I'm not saying either is better than the other, it's hard to judge given how clearly unfit Gayle was at the start of the season and how little Mitrovic has played recently. I would start Gayle purely because there's a raft of evidence that he's the sharpest goalscorer we have and when teams are playing utter s**** they're usually your best bet for a goal (see Sunderland and Defoe).

 

And I'll happily accept I was wrong about saying Gayle is shit. I was speaking out of frustration after a match. He's not shit, he's just not clearly better than Mitrovic to justify Gayle starting and Mitrovic not.