Mole_Toonfan Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 Aye i'm more bothered about creating chances considering we have been shite at it for years. If we create chances the goals will eventually follow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 The lack of goals is a worry for me. It's hard to turn it on, in terms of converting your chances. Would be worried if we had failed to create anything, but we created more than enough to win the game. Didn't see the first half, what did we create? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 The lack of goals is a worry for me. It's hard to turn it on, in terms of converting your chances. Would be worried if we had failed to create anything, but we created more than enough to win the game. I said converting chances, it's something we were poor at last season and pre-season has been no different. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest palnese Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 The lack of goals is a worry for me. It's hard to turn it on, in terms of converting your chances. Would be worried if we had failed to create anything, but we created more than enough to win the game. Didn't see the first half, what did we create? Wijnaldum missed a sitter. Obertan had a decent chance. Hmm, we probabloy had a few more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 Thorgan Hazard was dreamy when he came on Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 The lack of goals is a worry for me. It's hard to turn it on, in terms of converting your chances. Would be worried if we had failed to create anything, but we created more than enough to win the game. I said converting chances, it's something we were poor at last season and pre-season has been no different. Yeah but in the past we have hardly created any to begin with, time will tell whether we will or not but the brunt of the problem has been we don't create anything to begin with. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 The lack of goals is a worry for me. It's hard to turn it on, in terms of converting your chances. Would be worried if we had failed to create anything, but we created more than enough to win the game. Didn't see the first half, what did we create? We did force one good chance in the first half. Low cross in from Sissoko to Cisse who was unmarked on the edge of the box, but completely fluffed it. Then Sissoko off the bar. Then Mitrovic open goal. A draw would've been fair imo, but we weren't creating chances left, right and centre by any means. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 I thought Mbemba did well at right back. McClaren probably felt it would have been a bit unfair on him to pitch him in at CB, with no chance to develop any prior understanding with Taylor or Willo. Yeah, they could do with having a bit of time in a preseason friendly match or something of that ilk. You've missed the point. If you have a player that's barely had any chance to play with any of his team mates, do you put him into the more exposed position of centre back, or do you give him the simpler and less vulnerable role of a full back? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 It's been an absolute joke of a pre-season, not sure anybody could argue with that. Only positive of this is last time it was this bad we finished 5th Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 Worth a mention to someone like Douglas? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 Aye it's been shit, i think the players are fit enough to start the season but it's been the expense of cohesion and overall learning to play together as a team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 I thought Mbemba did well at right back. McClaren probably felt it would have been a bit unfair on him to pitch him in at CB, with no chance to develop any prior understanding with Taylor or Willo. Yeah, they could do with having a bit of time in a preseason friendly match or something of that ilk. You've missed the point. If you have a player that's barely had any chance to play with any of his team mates, do you put him into the more exposed position of centre back, or do you give him the simpler and less vulnerable role of a full back? It was a meaningless friendly, as many are keen to point out. Who gives a fuck if he's exposed? It would be a start. And if he's that exposed it says a lot about the team in front of him anyway. He'll now go into a competitive match against a very good opponent with no match time with either partner whatsoever. Ideal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Logic Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 The lack of goals is a worry for me. It's hard to turn it on, in terms of converting your chances. Would be worried if we had failed to create anything, but we created more than enough to win the game. Didn't see the first half, what did we create? We did force one good chance in the first half. Low cross in from Sissoko to Cisse who was unmarked on the edge of the box, but completely fluffed it. Then Sissoko off the bar. Then Mitrovic open goal. A draw would've been fair imo, but we weren't creating chances left, right and centre by any means. That seemed the biggest disconnect for me. There was a lack of fluency and ideas in the final third. There was some good movement but a lack of cohesion, can only hope it improves and it should do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlito Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 I thought Mbemba did well at right back. McClaren probably felt it would have been a bit unfair on him to pitch him in at CB, with no chance to develop any prior understanding with Taylor or Willo. Yeah, they could do with having a bit of time in a preseason friendly match or something of that ilk. You've missed the point. If you have a player that's barely had any chance to play with any of his team mates, do you put him into the more exposed position of centre back, or do you give him the simpler and less vulnerable role of a full back? It was a meaningless friendly, as many are keen to point out. Who gives a f*** if he's exposed? It would be a start. And if he's that exposed it says a lot about the team in front of him anyway. He'll now go into a competitive match against a very good opponent with no match time with either partner whatsoever. Ideal. Exactly. Why not ease him into it in a "meaningless friendly", rather than pushing him into the deep end against Southampton when the pressure is on to perform well? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 The lack of goals is a worry for me. It's hard to turn it on, in terms of converting your chances. Would be worried if we had failed to create anything, but we created more than enough to win the game. Didn't see the first half, what did we create? We did force one good chance in the first half. Low cross in from Sissoko to Cisse who was unmarked on the edge of the box, but completely fluffed it. Then Sissoko off the bar. Then Mitrovic open goal. A draw would've been fair imo, but we weren't creating chances left, right and centre by any means. That seemed the biggest disconnect for me. There was a lack of fluency and ideas in the final third. There was some good movement but a lack of cohesion, can only hope it improves and it should do. It's been that way since August 2012, so we're just going to have to afford McClaren a bit of time to de-Pardew them. There's no Remy, Ben Arfa or Ba there to conjure something out of nothing any more, so we're going to have to form some kind of coherent attacking unit, but it'll take time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 Before anyone starts crying about me moaning, I don't really give a shite because I think we'll be soundly beaten in that match anyway. I just didn't see the point of putting our new star centre half in at a position he'll hopefully never play. Might as well put him on the left wing in place of Obertan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 Even if McClaren is honest with his want to become more of a team that plays through midfield it's going to take a while for some of these players to adjust, just hope we get enough results in the mean time while they are adjusting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ads Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 Poorly planned pre-season, glad it's over. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemtizz Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 I thought Mbemba did well at right back. McClaren probably felt it would have been a bit unfair on him to pitch him in at CB, with no chance to develop any prior understanding with Taylor or Willo. Yeah, they could do with having a bit of time in a preseason friendly match or something of that ilk. You've missed the point. If you have a player that's barely had any chance to play with any of his team mates, do you put him into the more exposed position of centre back, or do you give him the simpler and less vulnerable role of a full back? It was a meaningless friendly, as many are keen to point out. Who gives a f*** if he's exposed? It would be a start. And if he's that exposed it says a lot about the team in front of him anyway. He'll now go into a competitive match against a very good opponent with no match time with either partner whatsoever. Ideal. Exactly. Why not ease him into it in a "meaningless friendly", rather than pushing him into the deep end against Southampton when the pressure is on to perform well? Doubt he'll start, to be honest. Pretty sure we'll see the same back 4 as today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 I thought Mbemba did well at right back. McClaren probably felt it would have been a bit unfair on him to pitch him in at CB, with no chance to develop any prior understanding with Taylor or Willo. Wijnaldum was outstanding. Anita shows some decent touches, but I don't think he's up to the job of protecting the back four. Dat logic Straight from the Pardew school of "management". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLiaaamx Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 I thought Mbemba did well at right back. McClaren probably felt it would have been a bit unfair on him to pitch him in at CB, with no chance to develop any prior understanding with Taylor or Willo. Yeah, they could do with having a bit of time in a preseason friendly match or something of that ilk. You've missed the point. If you have a player that's barely had any chance to play with any of his team mates, do you put him into the more exposed position of centre back, or do you give him the simpler and less vulnerable role of a full back? It was a meaningless friendly, as many are keen to point out. Who gives a f*** if he's exposed? It would be a start. And if he's that exposed it says a lot about the team in front of him anyway. He'll now go into a competitive match against a very good opponent with no match time with either partner whatsoever. Ideal. He's not going to start anyway Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deckard 13 Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 Madness if he doesn't start. Have we kept a clean sheet all preseason?! What is there to lose. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 I thought Mbemba did well at right back. McClaren probably felt it would have been a bit unfair on him to pitch him in at CB, with no chance to develop any prior understanding with Taylor or Willo. Yeah, they could do with having a bit of time in a preseason friendly match or something of that ilk. You've missed the point. If you have a player that's barely had any chance to play with any of his team mates, do you put him into the more exposed position of centre back, or do you give him the simpler and less vulnerable role of a full back? It was a meaningless friendly, as many are keen to point out. Who gives a f*** if he's exposed? It would be a start. And if he's that exposed it says a lot about the team in front of him anyway. He'll now go into a competitive match against a very good opponent with no match time with either partner whatsoever. Ideal. He's not going to start anyway That would be even worse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4eva Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 I wanted to kill myself first half. When we brought Aaron's , Mitrovic and De Jong on we looked so much more dangerous and it clearly lifted the other players Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 Delighted that Gouffran was allowed to rest for this game. Needs to be fresh for next week. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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