triggs Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 He didn't, and what's your point anyway? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 Maybe Mourinho just didn't fancy him, he's done that with other more senior players aswell and given Mourinho's career spans 4 countries his can hardly be an English problem. More of a financial inclination, why risk a player (kid or otherwise) when you can hopefully buy ready made. I wonder how many teens are playing regularly throughout Europe at the clubs that have financial clout similar to the Premier league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 Madras is essentially arguing against the idea of an opportunity. Young players get less opportunities in England - that's a fact. Excellent article Triggs. English football as a whole is so focussed on short-term results at every level. When that's the focus you favour more established players. An international, someone bought for £12m, you shun youngsters. If not for Poch giving young players a chance, Spurs lack of respect for the Europa & misfiring £20m strikers Harry Kane wouldn't have been given a chance at Spurs. Jese Lingard is almost 24 years old - he's played 30 something PL games in his career. Would he not be a better player with over 100 appearances? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 Only going to get worse as the PL gets richer too. No incentive to bring through and nuture youth because no-one needs to sell to survive anymore so there is little incentive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 Only going to get worse as the PL gets richer too. No incentive to bring through and nuture youth because no-one needs to sell to survive anymore so there is little incentive. Aye. Look at how WBA are treating Berahino. Before the young players compensation fees and the big PL bucks they would've sold him a long time ago... to a club that would actually play him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 Madras is essentially arguing against the idea of an opportunity. Young players get less opportunities in England - that's a fact. Excellent article Triggs. English football as a whole is so focussed on short-term results at every level. When that's the focus you favour more established players. An international, someone bought for £12m, you shun youngsters. If not for Poch giving young players a chance, Spurs lack of respect for the Europa & misfiring £20m strikers Harry Kane wouldn't have been given a chance at Spurs. Jese Lingard is almost 24 years old - he's played 30 something PL games in his career. Would he not be a better player with over 100 appearances? I'm not arguing against it, just saying thats the way it seems to be. edit and fwiw I wouldn't have sent Armstrong out on loan this season, I personally see him right now as championship standard and thats where we are. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 Madras is essentially arguing against the idea of an opportunity. Young players get less opportunities in England - that's a fact. Excellent article Triggs. English football as a whole is so focussed on short-term results at every level. When that's the focus you favour more established players. An international, someone bought for £12m, you shun youngsters. If not for Poch giving young players a chance, Spurs lack of respect for the Europa & misfiring £20m strikers Harry Kane wouldn't have been given a chance at Spurs. Jese Lingard is almost 24 years old - he's played 30 something PL games in his career. Would he not be a better player with over 100 appearances? I'm not arguing against it, just saying thats the way it seems to be. edit and fwiw I wouldn't have sent Armstrong out on loan this season, I personally see him right now as championship standard and thats where we are. But it doesn't work mate. English teams in most cases are far behind their counterparts in Spain and in some cases Germany who spend way less money and give kids a greater chance. Look at Leipzig at the moment, pretty horrible club I know but at least they're buying young players and giving them a chance and its working out great for them so far. Dortmund as well are one of the best teams in Europe with loads of young players Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 Madras is essentially arguing against the idea of an opportunity. Young players get less opportunities in England - that's a fact. Excellent article Triggs. English football as a whole is so focussed on short-term results at every level. When that's the focus you favour more established players. An international, someone bought for £12m, you shun youngsters. If not for Poch giving young players a chance, Spurs lack of respect for the Europa & misfiring £20m strikers Harry Kane wouldn't have been given a chance at Spurs. Jese Lingard is almost 24 years old - he's played 30 something PL games in his career. Would he not be a better player with over 100 appearances? I'm not arguing against it, just saying thats the way it seems to be. edit and fwiw I wouldn't have sent Armstrong out on loan this season, I personally see him right now as championship standard and thats where we are. But it doesn't work mate. English teams in most cases are far behind their counterparts in Spain and in some cases Germany who spend way less money and give kids a greater chance. Look at Leipzig at the moment, pretty horrible club I know but at least they're buying young players and giving them a chance and its working out great for them so far. Dortmund as well are one of the best teams in Europe with loads of young players They ay be giving them a greater chance due to them being ready through coaching etc, however I'd bet give Leipzig an extra 50million to spend and they'll buy in and their kids will get fewer chances. Dortmund is the exception, like Ferguson's Man Utd with Beckham, Scholes etc and that was as much because the manager had faith in that particular group. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 Madras is essentially arguing against the idea of an opportunity. Young players get less opportunities in England - that's a fact. Excellent article Triggs. English football as a whole is so focussed on short-term results at every level. When that's the focus you favour more established players. An international, someone bought for £12m, you shun youngsters. If not for Poch giving young players a chance, Spurs lack of respect for the Europa & misfiring £20m strikers Harry Kane wouldn't have been given a chance at Spurs. Jese Lingard is almost 24 years old - he's played 30 something PL games in his career. Would he not be a better player with over 100 appearances? I'm not arguing against it, just saying thats the way it seems to be. edit and fwiw I wouldn't have sent Armstrong out on loan this season, I personally see him right now as championship standard and thats where we are. But it doesn't work mate. English teams in most cases are far behind their counterparts in Spain and in some cases Germany who spend way less money and give kids a greater chance. Look at Leipzig at the moment, pretty horrible club I know but at least they're buying young players and giving them a chance and its working out great for them so far. Dortmund as well are one of the best teams in Europe with loads of young players They ay be giving them a greater chance due to them being ready through coaching etc, however I'd bet give Leipzig an extra 50million to spend and they'll buy in and their kids will get fewer chances. Dortmund is the exception, like Ferguson's Man Utd with Beckham, Scholes etc and that was as much because the manager had faith in that particular group. Leipzig spent 45 million last summer on a 19 year old, a 20 year old and two 21 year olds Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 Madras is essentially arguing against the idea of an opportunity. Young players get less opportunities in England - that's a fact. Excellent article Triggs. English football as a whole is so focussed on short-term results at every level. When that's the focus you favour more established players. An international, someone bought for £12m, you shun youngsters. If not for Poch giving young players a chance, Spurs lack of respect for the Europa & misfiring £20m strikers Harry Kane wouldn't have been given a chance at Spurs. Jese Lingard is almost 24 years old - he's played 30 something PL games in his career. Would he not be a better player with over 100 appearances? I'm not arguing against it, just saying thats the way it seems to be. edit and fwiw I wouldn't have sent Armstrong out on loan this season, I personally see him right now as championship standard and thats where we are. But it doesn't work mate. English teams in most cases are far behind their counterparts in Spain and in some cases Germany who spend way less money and give kids a greater chance. Look at Leipzig at the moment, pretty horrible club I know but at least they're buying young players and giving them a chance and its working out great for them so far. Dortmund as well are one of the best teams in Europe with loads of young players They ay be giving them a greater chance due to them being ready through coaching etc, however I'd bet give Leipzig an extra 50million to spend and they'll buy in and their kids will get fewer chances. Dortmund is the exception, like Ferguson's Man Utd with Beckham, Scholes etc and that was as much because the manager had faith in that particular group. Leipzig spent 45 million last summer on a 19 year old, a 20 year old and two 21 year olds At the expense of similarly aged kids from their academies ? Edit, it's a plan that may work long term and may work short term and for some may not work at all. We had a plan of buying ncheap from foreign markets and in Cabaye, Sissoko, Debuchy it seemed to be working, media pieces cited the nerwcastle model. Didn't work for long. Let's see where Leipzig are in 3 or 4 years time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 Madras is essentially arguing against the idea of an opportunity. Young players get less opportunities in England - that's a fact. Excellent article Triggs. English football as a whole is so focussed on short-term results at every level. When that's the focus you favour more established players. An international, someone bought for £12m, you shun youngsters. If not for Poch giving young players a chance, Spurs lack of respect for the Europa & misfiring £20m strikers Harry Kane wouldn't have been given a chance at Spurs. Jese Lingard is almost 24 years old - he's played 30 something PL games in his career. Would he not be a better player with over 100 appearances? I'm not arguing against it, just saying thats the way it seems to be. edit and fwiw I wouldn't have sent Armstrong out on loan this season, I personally see him right now as championship standard and thats where we are. But it doesn't work mate. English teams in most cases are far behind their counterparts in Spain and in some cases Germany who spend way less money and give kids a greater chance. Look at Leipzig at the moment, pretty horrible club I know but at least they're buying young players and giving them a chance and its working out great for them so far. Dortmund as well are one of the best teams in Europe with loads of young players They ay be giving them a greater chance due to them being ready through coaching etc, however I'd bet give Leipzig an extra 50million to spend and they'll buy in and their kids will get fewer chances. Dortmund is the exception, like Ferguson's Man Utd with Beckham, Scholes etc and that was as much because the manager had faith in that particular group. Leipzig spent 45 million last summer on a 19 year old, a 20 year old and two 21 year olds At the expense of similarly aged kids from their academies ? They're only a club about 7 years. Takes a while for a youth setup to show results Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stottie Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 fwiw, Tim Sherwood started Harry Kane for several PL games in a row at the end of the season before Poch came. My memory is a bit fuzzy but I remember seeing an article saying that it has become harder for young footballers to break into teams due increasingly complex tactical requirements, even for attacking players. It might be possible to partly combat this by taking a holistic approach and getting the junior teams playing to the same tactical model as the first team, but young players may not have developed the football intelligence for this to be a valuable exercise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 I think it's a combination of a lack of emphasis on teaching tactics and stuff to youngsters in the theory that they don't need to know why they're asked to do something, and I think that at youth level we have a bad habit of underrating intelligence and quick thinking as opposed to pace, strength or natural ability with the ball. Having said that one of the very strong prerequisites for players breaking through has been how well they remember training ground routines etc, where to run etc etc. We value a sort of rote learned intelligence on the pitch rather than players who may improvise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shintonsghost Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 I was given an interesting question last night. Benitez or Mourinho who would you have right now? Think i'd stick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 no doubt about it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collage Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 Not a difficult question at all, really Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shak Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 Might be a tougher question if Mourinho wasn't an utter fucking cunt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 Mourinho couldn't do what Rafa has / is Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 I was given an interesting question last night. Benitez or Mourinho who would you have right now? Think i'd stick No, that's a stupid question. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 Mourinho couldn't do what Rafa has / is I think he probably could, he'd just be a massive cunt while doing it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 Interesting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 Soz like, I'd choose Mourinho over Benitez. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 Oh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 Soz like, I'd choose Mourinho over Benitez. I would have done a few years ago. But no way after the way it ended at Chelsea and how he treated his staff. Rafa is the perfect manager for us, understands the club but also how to succeed and strong enough to stick to his convictions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theregulars Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 Not current Mourinho. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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