Parky Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 Says the PL money drops at the end of July. So we'll see first week of Aug if there is serious intent to buy some quality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 If Rafa leaves, I'd imagine things would get fairly hostile. At-least I hope they would. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 Says the PL money drops at the end of July. So we'll see first week of Aug if there is serious intent to buy some quality. Barely any time to embed them into the squad, which is what Rafa wanted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest taps01 Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 Give it five and the local journos will be reporting everything is fine and we are hoping to sign someone before x day. Zzzz Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 Says the PL money drops at the end of July. So we'll see first week of Aug if there is serious intent to buy some quality. Christmas #2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest taps01 Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 Says the PL money drops at the end of July. So we'll see first week of Aug if there is serious intent to buy some quality. I wouldn't hold your breath. This is only heading one way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ameritoon Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 It's basically the same article we've been reading all week. Nothing new. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 It's basically the same article we've been reading all week. Nothing new. Except Hardy, the journalist, is exceptionally well connected to Rafa. He wrote a book about last season. It'll be Rafa feeding him this imo, if the club don't act now the game at home to Spurs should make Hull at home in 2008 look like Digi on a Saturday. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ameritoon Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 It's definitely worrying, but I don't think Hardy writing about it means he's walking tomorrow. We know Rafa is pissed, we know Ashley/Charnley probably won't change. Shit sucks, but this article doesn't change anything Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 It's definitely worrying, but I don't think Hardy writing about it means he's walking tomorrow. We know Rafa is p*ssed, we know Ashley/Charnley probably won't change. s*** sucks, but this article doesn't change anything True. Found the Carragher column on Rafa. From late April. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-4456834/Rafa-Benitez-not-change-never-quit.html Rafa Benitez will not change and he will never quit... conflict follows him but the Newcastle boss loves a fight! Newcastle fans should be celebrating but there are concerns over tax probe Rafa Benitez has said he will stay if he feels owner Mike Ashley shares his vision Conflict follows Benitez, and he will want money to keep the club competitive They need each other - Benitez is back in top flight, and Toon have top manager He won't quit. He never quits. That is something Newcastle United fans should remember as another storm starts to blow around Rafa Benitez. It should have been a week of celebration on Tyneside, the club having secured an immediate return to the Premier League, but instead a group of supporters who have so often had to endure disappointment find themselves confused by the uncertainty that has followed. Benitez has indicated he will only stay on at St James' Park next season if he feels that Mike Ashley, Newcastle's owner, shares his vision for what is needed to be successful back in the top flight but he is confident that 'everything will be fine'. Watching the episode unfold brought some memories flooding back. Everything I've seen and read in the last few days had me thinking of many things, from our time together at Liverpool. He had three different sets of people to answer to at Anfield and fell out with them all. Rafa is an excellent manager and one of the biggest influences on my career — perhaps the biggest in terms of actually being on a pitch. I played my best football under him and many of the things he taught me I still bring in to practice, whether it is on these pages or with Sky. But he is, without doubt, the most political figure I've come across in football. I saw what is going on at Newcastle happen at Liverpool. It happened at Valencia, too, where he famously said he 'asked for a sofa and they gave me a table leg' during a row over transfers. This posturing has a purpose. Benitez wants the maximum amount of money he can get ahead of the transfer window in order to keep Newcastle competitive. If he doesn't get the funding that he feels is necessary and next season goes badly, he can turn around and say: 'I told you so.' He raised the prospect of leaving Liverpool many times, suggesting he could go to Real Madrid, Juventus, Bayern Munich and even England! He seems almost as popular in Newcastle as he was at Anfield. He aligns himself with the fans and they are hard people to walk out on. I'm sure the soundbites will continue and the sense of drama will heighten but this is part of the Benitez package. People talk about managers having certain styles and philosophies... well, Benitez manages by conflict. Look right through his career and you will see it everywhere. From his time coaching the youth team at Real Madrid, where he clashed with director Jorge Valdano over the selection of certain players, conflict has followed him. At Liverpool and Valencia, that method brought him great success. At Inter Milan and Real Madrid, however, it led to him getting sacked. Sometimes he will win the battles and get the things that he wants but it doesn't always lead to him winning the war and it is an approach that puts a strain on relationships with owners, chief executives and players. I'll come back to the issue of being sacked in a minute but, for a moment, there is one critical question that needs to be answered, when you think about the possibility of him resigning: where exactly is he going to go? What job in the Premier League outside the elite is bigger than Newcastle? At this moment, I find it difficult to see any of the top six clubs taking him. So what else is out there? Maybe West Ham if Slaven Bilic were to leave. But would that represent a bigger step up than Tyneside? No. He is working at a club with a brilliant stadium and a huge fan base that has potential. He is also being handsomely rewarded for it. This, though, is a dangerous game he is playing. Ashley has been subjected to huge amounts of criticism during his period of ownership but if he feels Benitez oversteps the mark, have no doubt that he will fire him. Why wouldn't he? Ashley wasn't afraid to axe club legends and local heroes Kevin Keegan and Alan Shearer, so why would he think twice about pulling the trigger on Benitez? You don't amass the business portfolio and personal fortune Ashley has by shying away from big decisions. Newcastle fans don't like Ashley. There have been disastrous appointments, such as Dennis Wise and Joe Kinnear and a fiasco with the renaming of the stadium but he isn't bothered about being popular with them. So if Benitez continues to challenge him through the Press — there was an episode in January, remember, when he never got his wish to sign Andros Townsend — you could see it ending only one way: with Ashley deciding enough is enough and Rafa getting sacked. Yet the thing is they both need each other right now. Rafa is back working in the Premier League, the domestic competition he loves more than any other, and Ashley has a manager who represents his best chance of winning a trophy. It should not be forgotten that there are few better managers in world football than Benitez in preparing a team tactically for a one-off game and there is no reason why Newcastle cannot win, for instance, the League Cup under him. Ashley, ridiculously, has never regarded cup competitions as being important to Newcastle even though they haven't won anything domestically since 1955 but Benitez excels in them and — with the exception of Real Madrid — has won silverware at every club he has managed since Valencia, including Napoli and Chelsea. He has met his target for the year, which was to secure promotion for Newcastle, but that was to be expected, given the money they laid out last summer to buy players such as Matt Ritchie from Bournemouth. But the thing with Rafa is he always wants more. And that is why the agenda that has been set this week, from talk of ambition and transfers and net spends, will continue until the day this chapter in his career reaches an end. 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xLiaaamx Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 If he does leave, it wont get hostile. Everyone will stop caring and Ashley will get the husk thats left to play with as he's always wanted. He wins, we lose. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElDiablo Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 Can only hope Ashley bins off Charnley or something if Rafa gives him an ultimatum. He must know the club will be worth a load more if Rafa is given time to put his stamp on things. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuy_O Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 I think Carragher underestimated the lunacy of Mike Ashley when he wrote that article. He would take 17th every year if he could, his ambitions compared to Rafa's are universes apart, and he has zero connection to the supporters. It's all on him, people can blame Charnley but its all on Ashley. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 Aye seems it. The transfers from those days you can double now imo. Bellamy at 6.5m is 10m today at the least. All of those transfers v. expensive in those days. The best players in the division were costing 10-20m not 50+. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe_F Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 Can only hope Ashley bins off Charnley or something if Rafa gives him an ultimatum. He must know the club will be worth a load more if Rafa is given time to put his stamp on things. Binning Charnley will change fuck all man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 FFS. Time to get a new hobby. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 Really feels like the last hope for this club. And it's only hope. Under Shephard it would be excitement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John P Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 Yeah if Rafa goes it's over like. Near certain relegation and not coming back any time soon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 Martin Hardy has contacts close to Rafa. Sounds a bit like a final ultimatum to me. What a fucking club to support... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 Ashley is a grade "A" idiot :lol: Gets the club relegated at the worst possible time with new TV money going to every club. Gets lucky with a manager and regains promotion, refuses to support manager risking relegation again and missing out on more TV money, leaving the club lurching behind other clubs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 There was always a flicker of hope for me that we'd manage to land someone who would work within the fat mess' parameters and still make nufc a success. Here we have a bloke who's trying to do everything the Ashley way, pretty much, and he still gets fucked over. If he goes, I'm done, nothing left to hope for after that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paully Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 It’s no wonder he’s pissed-off with the utter idiots running NUFC. They completely messed him about during the January window and we’ve signed two players so far – Atsu – who we had until a certain date to activate a permanent deal for him which we triggered and it was a good price for him in the current market and Lejeune – a deal we pissed about with for about a month over how we’d pay it. No doubt they’ve completely ballsed up all other deals – clueless wankers His relationship with the fans and the potential of the club must be why he is still here – a potential which will never be realised under Ashley Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 The real financial bonanza of being promoted will come later this month, when the television money falls into bank account of all 20 Premier League clubs. Newcastle then will start feeling like a top flight club once more. If they do not start acting like one, there is a very good chance they will lose their Champions-League winning manager. This is a key bit from the Hardy article. Has he been told to wait for this money to be deposited? Please tell me that this is what is being implied?! It's our only hope man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 There was always a flicker of hope for me that we'd manage to land someone who would work within the fat mess' parameters and still make nufc a success. Here we have a bloke who's trying to do everything the Ashley way, pretty much, and he still gets f***ed over. If he goes, I'm done, nothing left to hope for after that. I also seem to remember KK saying that he would work with the tight budget but just let him pick the players and arrange the deals, all the knackers would have to do is sign the cheques. My fears are really beginning to grow by the minute. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiotes Witch Doctor Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 Imagine how bad this season will be without him man Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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