Dave Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 I think Rafa is right to speak out, but you can't deny that his words do have negative effects on the players and he really have to manage it very carefully. If it is just pure PR war then fine. If it leads to Rafa losing the dressing room then it's the nail on the coffin. Before someone to jump in and say fuck off how dare you criticise Rafa and not the fat cunt for this, please kindly read my first sentence again. Thank you. As much a negative effect as not resolving the bonus situation (again)? As much a negative effect as not getting the investment in the squad they probably believed would be coming? Do they want to be scrapping around at the bottom of the league all season or do they want to be part of an ambitious club on the up and trying to win cups? What about the new players who were convinced to come here and will have had other offers, do you think they're happy about what's happened? I know footballers are full of themselves but I highly doubt they are happy with the prospect of the manager they all seem to love and respect being lied to and fucked over, potentially leading to a long, hard season resulting in relegation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 Rafa clearly expected to have money to spend in January and more than he has been given this summer, and in both instances for us to move for his targets quickly and get them sorted. It's that aspect of the situation that justifies his quotes in the press, it's bloody obvious that the goalposts have been moved behind the scenes, again. Fucking nuts that are people saying he should keep shtum because apparently him describing the water is the cause of drowning. Don't let that wind you up. It's such a tiny tiny amount who are that thick. The vast majority want Rafa to shout even louder and humiliate the fucker (MA). I mentioned a while back it smacks of Keegan's time and one person (I forget who) said it really isn't like that. It really really is. Hope Rafa also takes them to court, if he goes, and wins. It's exactly like that time with Keegan. I was going to post before about whether people would say the same if it was Keegan doing this, but remembered that there were a couple, just like this time. Should probably just accept that there'll always be a minority. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 I think Rafa is right to speak out, but you can't deny that his words do have negative effects on the players and he really have to manage it very carefully. If it is just pure PR war then fine. If it leads to Rafa losing the dressing room then it's the nail on the coffin. Before someone to jump in and say f*** off how dare you criticise Rafa and not the fat c*** for this, please kindly read my first sentence again. Thank you. As much a negative effect as not resolving the bonus situation (again)? As much a negative effect as not getting the investment in the squad they probably believed would be coming? Do they want to be scrapping around at the bottom of the league all season or do they want to be part of an ambitious club on the up and trying to win cups? What about the new players who were convinced to come here and will have had other offers, do you think they're happy about what's happened? I know footballers are full of themselves but I highly doubt they are happy with the prospect of the manager they all seem to love and respect being lied to and f***ed over, potentially leading to a long, hard season resulting in relegation. Yours are the best possible reaction from the players. Mine is the worst possible reaction which the players think Rafa has absolutely no confidence on them by publicly stating the squad is shit and not good enough for EPL. That's why I say Rafa has to manage this carefully. The only way for us to survive now is Rafa has absolutely full backing from the players and the fans, you should agree with this right? The crowd reaction today will decide our fate this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 People are 100% entitled to discuss whatever they want on here as long as it doesn't descend into outright name-calling and abuse, but it's pretty depressing to see us turning on one another yet again, only months after Rafa's commitment to stay with backing from Ashley (yeah, I know) united virtually every single fan of this club. We were on the up, and only one person is responsible for destroying that momentum through his lies. Lots of people want to go to games no matter what because they feel the club is theirs, not any one owner's and that's perfectly understandable. Personally I think an empty SJP would send a huge, indelible message given the unprecedented and continuing explosion of the Premier League but it's patently absolutely impossible. Even in our darkest days it couldn't be effectively organised and agreed upon. Ashley knows this and exploits it. Mike Ashley is an utter cunt and doesn't have a fucking clue what he's sitting on here. He still doesn't get it even with someone like Benitez as manager and everyone behind him, and he never ever has. We won't be able to move on until he sells, dies or somehow does something he's never done before and inexplicably starts understanding football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Little Waster Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 I think Rafa is right to speak out, but you can't deny that his words do have negative effects on the players and he really have to manage it very carefully. If it is just pure PR war then fine. If it leads to Rafa losing the dressing room then it's the nail on the coffin. Before someone to jump in and say f*** off how dare you criticise Rafa and not the fat c*** for this, please kindly read my first sentence again. Thank you. As much a negative effect as not resolving the bonus situation (again)? As much a negative effect as not getting the investment in the squad they probably believed would be coming? Do they want to be scrapping around at the bottom of the league all season or do they want to be part of an ambitious club on the up and trying to win cups? What about the new players who were convinced to come here and will have had other offers, do you think they're happy about what's happened? I know footballers are full of themselves but I highly doubt they are happy with the prospect of the manager they all seem to love and respect being lied to and f***ed over, potentially leading to a long, hard season resulting in relegation. Yours are the best possible reaction from the players. Mine is the worst possible reaction which the players think Rafa has absolutely no confidence on them by publicly stating the squad is s*** and not good enough for EPL. That's why I say Rafa has to manage this carefully. The only way for us to survive now is Rafa has absolutely full backing from the players and the fans, you should agree with this right? The crowd reaction today will decide our fate this season. And thats the level of ambition ... merely to survive ... well fuck that attitude right in the eye Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
p_cowell141 Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 People are 100% entitled to discuss whatever they want on here as long as it doesn't descend into outright name-calling and abuse, but it's pretty depressing to see us turning on one another yet again, only months after Rafa's commitment to stay with backing from Ashley (yeah, I know) united virtually every single fan of this club. We were on the up, and only one person is responsible for destroying that momentum through his lies. Lots of people want to go to games no matter what because they feel the club is theirs, not any one owner's and that's perfectly understandable. Personally I think an empty SJP would send a huge, indelible message given the unprecedented and continuing explosion of the Premier League but it's patently absolutely impossible. Even in our darkest days it couldn't be effectively organised and agreed upon. Ashley knows this and exploits it. Mike Ashley is an utter c*** and doesn't have a f***ing clue what he's sitting on here. He still doesn't get it even with someone like Benitez as manager and everyone behind him, and he never ever has. We won't be able to move on until he sells, dies or somehow does something he's never done before and inexplicably starts understanding football. Wholeheartedly agree. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 People are 100% entitled to discuss whatever they want on here as long as it doesn't descend into outright name-calling and abuse, but it's pretty depressing to see us turning on one another yet again, only months after Rafa's commitment to stay with backing from Ashley (yeah, I know) united virtually every single fan of this club. We were on the up, and only one person is responsible for destroying that momentum through his lies. Lots of people want to go to games no matter what because they feel the club is theirs, not any one owner's and that's perfectly understandable. Personally I think an empty SJP would send a huge, indelible message given the unprecedented and continuing explosion of the Premier League but it's patently absolutely impossible. Even in our darkest days it couldn't be effectively organised and agreed upon. Ashley knows this and exploits it. Mike Ashley is an utter cunt and doesn't have a fucking clue what he's sitting on here. He still doesn't get it even with someone like Benitez as manager and everyone behind him, and he never ever has. We won't be able to move on until he sells, dies or somehow does something he's never done before and inexplicably starts understanding football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 Nobody else think an empty stadium might be Ashley's endgame? The commercial revenue we could get for all that empty advertising space? Of course Ashley would need to advertise it's availability for 25 years to attract interest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 Rafa clearly expected to have money to spend in January and more than he has been given this summer, and in both instances for us to move for his targets quickly and get them sorted. It's that aspect of the situation that justifies his quotes in the press, it's bloody obvious that the goalposts have been moved behind the scenes, again. Fucking nuts that are people saying he should keep shtum because apparently him describing the water is the cause of drowning. Don't let that wind you up. It's such a tiny tiny amount who are that thick. The vast majority want Rafa to shout even louder and humiliate the fucker (MA). I mentioned a while back it smacks of Keegan's time and one person (I forget who) said it really isn't like that. It really really is. Hope Rafa also takes them to court, if he goes, and wins. It's exactly like that time with Keegan. I was going to post before about whether people would say the same if it was Keegan doing this, but remembered that there were a couple, just like this time. Should probably just accept that there'll always be a minority. There was more than just a couple, felt at times like the majority thought that Keegan was in the wrong and clearly didn't love the club because he didn't stick it out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 Dave bang on like! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foluwashola Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 People are 100% entitled to discuss whatever they want on here as long as it doesn't descend into outright name-calling and abuse, but it's pretty depressing to see us turning on one another yet again, only months after Rafa's commitment to stay with backing from Ashley (yeah, I know) united virtually every single fan of this club. We were on the up, and only one person is responsible for destroying that momentum through his lies. Lots of people want to go to games no matter what because they feel the club is theirs, not any one owner's and that's perfectly understandable. Personally I think an empty SJP would send a huge, indelible message given the unprecedented and continuing explosion of the Premier League but it's patently absolutely impossible. Even in our darkest days it couldn't be effectively organised and agreed upon. Ashley knows this and exploits it. Mike Ashley is an utter cunt and doesn't have a fucking clue what he's sitting on here. He still doesn't get it even with someone like Benitez as manager and everyone behind him, and he never ever has. We won't be able to move on until he sells, dies or somehow does something he's never done before and inexplicably starts understanding football. Happy to leave it at that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 People are 100% entitled to discuss whatever they want on here as long as it doesn't descend into outright name-calling and abuse, but it's pretty depressing to see us turning on one another yet again, only months after Rafa's commitment to stay with backing from Ashley (yeah, I know) united virtually every single fan of this club. We were on the up, and only one person is responsible for destroying that momentum through his lies. Lots of people want to go to games no matter what because they feel the club is theirs, not any one owner's and that's perfectly understandable. Personally I think an empty SJP would send a huge, indelible message given the unprecedented and continuing explosion of the Premier League but it's patently absolutely impossible. Even in our darkest days it couldn't be effectively organised and agreed upon. Ashley knows this and exploits it. Mike Ashley is an utter cunt and doesn't have a fucking clue what he's sitting on here. He still doesn't get it even with someone like Benitez as manager and everyone behind him, and he never ever has. We won't be able to move on until he sells, dies or somehow does something he's never done before and inexplicably starts understanding football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLiaaamx Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 Was it the Cardiff game where the walkout was planned, then the Supporters Trust waded in trying to make it theirs and change the minute? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 Was it the Cardiff game where the walkout was planned, then the Supporters Trust waded in trying to make it theirs and change the minute? Aye. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 Was it the Cardiff game where the walkout was planned, then the Supporters Trust waded in trying to make it theirs and change the minute? 'I didn't know what time to walk out So I stayed' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 Aye, fair enough Dave. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odear Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 Well said Dave. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 After 5 years of Pardew talking utter shite I much prefer this tbh. We all know what's going on so why not say it? I doubt the players are under any disillusions of where they are tbh, if they have anything about them they'll be trying to show Benitez that they're good enough to fill the void. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 Personally I think the players who are worth having here will be 100% behind Rafa, I doubt his quotes will have affected them at all. Quality players want the team to improve. The reason we've had a bad start is because we don't have many quality players, not because Rafa's been critical of our signing efforts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 All we can do is show support as always. If anything when things aren't at their best, that's the time you can build real connection with the side & with the manager. It's easy to support people when its all going superbly. If ever there was a time to reshow our support for Rafa, belief in him & the side its now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 All we can do is show support as always. If anything when things aren't at their best, that's the time you can build real connection with the side & with the manager. It's easy to support people when its all going superbly. If ever there was a time to reshow our support for Rafa, belief in him & the side its now. I agree but the it isn't necessarily about support based on whether things are going well or not. For me it's about backing my own and rafas principles Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4eva Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 I think we should support Rafa and the Players but at some point let that fat cunt know what we think Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 I have no clue how i feel about boycotting or just going out there and supporting the team so we don't get relegated again or something like that...I don't want to deal with relegation again if Mike Ashley will continue to sit on the club. I've tried to look at every angle of a new investor coming in and I'm convinced there's no real answer there, it's all about Mike Ashley shutting the fuck up and getting the fuck out. All I know is that nothing changes here until Mike Ashley is gone. Hopefully that happens before Rafa gets fed up and walks away from our club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 You should go and support the Manager. Sing it out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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