Collage Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 Make no bones about it if we don't get some quality in specific areas we will be a championship club again 12 months from now we won't be like, not with rafa in charge...now if he leaves that's another matter btw i don't think the problem in splashing the cash is ours, if everyone else would just f*** off and let us lowball clubs we'd be fine Rafa is not a miracle worker, as it stands quality wise we have the 3rd worst squad in the league. If the likes of dummet,lascelles,colback,mbemba,mitrovic get anywhere near the first 11 on a regular basis we are f***ed Colback, Mbemba, Mitrovic, yes. Lascelles, maybe but Dummett is fine. We won't lose games because of Paul Dummett. I disagree. He brings nothing to the attack and is one of the poorest first-choice LBs out there in the Premier League. Lucky he's a left back and not a left winger. He's primary duty is to defend and at that he is very decent. Rafa will have us defending first, that's why he's getting a new contract. I'm not expecting Roberto Carlos or Ashley Cole. Someone who doesn't s*** themselves when in possession, can at least offer an overlap and deliver a decent cross. To not have that in the Premier League is shocking and we'll be found out badly. Dummett is a CB. In the modern game, a left back has to be able to do something with the ball at his feet. What didn't help half of the time last season was Gouffran playing so much, as if you set out to nullify our right flank you could just let him and Dummett see loads of the ball. Yep. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 So that's our spending done then? It quite clearly means we're struggling to agree that he's worth 12M and nothing to do with how much cash we have to spend. If our targets to start in central midfield aren't worth us paying £12m for they probably shouldn't be targets. It's a nothing amount for a player in his prime with significant PL experience. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 If it's not a "bargain" we're not interested. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altamullan Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 Yup. No way we're getting all of that. Really? You might be right but I'lm expecting an outlay of £70-80m plus a loan or two and a stray freebie. This won't be the net spend, but I am expecting this level of investment by September. Think I'm setting myself up for a fall? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordiedean Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 Yup. No way we're getting all of that. Really? You might be right but I'lm expecting an outlay of £70-80m plus a loan or two and a stray freebie. This won't be the net spend, but I am expecting this level of investment by September. Think I'm setting myself up for a fall? A very big fall.....I'd be very suprised if we have a net spend of over 30m . We certainly won't be breaking our transfer record Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 On the train, so here's a list of the current first choice left-backs in the Premier League. I'm not a huge fan, but does Dummett stand out that much, other than being one of the most defensively-tilted ones? Where would people rank him? By the same token, where would people put Gibbs? Nacho Monreal Charlie Daniels Gaetan Bong Stephen Ward Marcus Alonso Patrick van Aanholt / Papa Souare Leighton Baines Chris Lowe / Scott Malone Christian Fuchs James Milner Aleksandar Kolarov Matteo Darmian Paul Dummett Ryan Bertrand Erik Pieters Martin Olsson Danny Rose Jose Holebas Allan Nyom Aaron Cresswell Few of these are wing-backs I suppose, but it's close enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timeEd32 Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 Yup. No way we're getting all of that. Really? You might be right but I'lm expecting an outlay of £70-80m plus a loan or two and a stray freebie. This won't be the net spend, but I am expecting this level of investment by September. Think I'm setting myself up for a fall? We'll be falling together - I'm expecting something similar and I think we will break our transfer record. I think it's just been slow so far, which is frustrating given how much we need to do and the fact that we have a good chance to start strongly with our fixtures (Spurs aside). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 2nd, i don't really rate the others apart from Monreal. Edit: Just seen Rose, maybe him too although i do think he's massively protected by Spurs system and the DMs in front of the back 4. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
junkhead Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 On the train, so here's a list of the current first choice left-backs in the Premier League. I'm not a huge fan, but does Dummett stand out that much, other than being one of the most defensively-tilted ones? Where would people rank him? By the same token, where would people put Gibbs? Nacho Monreal Charlie Daniels Gaetan Bong Stephen Ward Marcus Alonso Patrick van Aanholt / Papa Souare Leighton Baines Chris Lowe / Scott Malone Christian Fuchs James Milner Aleksandar Kolarov Matteo Darmian Paul Dummett Ryan Bertrand Erik Pieters Martin Olsson Danny Rose Jose Holebas Allan Nyom Aaron Cresswell Few of these are wing-backs I suppose, but it's close enough. He is clearly more limited offensively than all of those, apart from Ward maybe.. although he's had his moments too in the past. Defensively Dummett might be better than half of the listed players but defensive contribution is harder to measure.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 And for those more knowledgable than me, was it just at Liverpool where Rafa had one attacking full-back and one more limited? Or is it a pattern he's generally stuck to elsewhere as well? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sho Time Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 He's better than Papa Souare, considering he's still wrecked to fuck off his car crash - another reason why train is better. He could be as good as anyone on that list with a run of regular first team games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 He's better than Papa Souare, considering he's still wrecked to fuck off his car crash - another reason why train is better. He could be as good as anyone on that list with a run of regular first team games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
afar Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 And for those more knowledgable than me, was it just at Liverpool where Rafa had one attacking full-back and one more limited? Or is it a pattern he's generally stuck to elsewhere as well? I have no idea but that would be an interesting situation to research. Never thought if it may be intentional that we are so lopsided in our attacking threat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLiaaamx Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 Most of them I'd put him below. Maybe Ward he's better than. He's still got the glaring weakness of his turning speed being a century as well as his limited on the ball ability. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 Probably wasn't him but weren't Valencia's full backs Carboni and Angloma? Both passable both ways IIRC. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliottman Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 I like to think i'm pretty patient but i'm starting to get f*cking sick now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ankles Bennett Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 It might be that rafa is going to bring 2 or 3 in this summer but keep the majority of his transfer kitty for January. If we are in or just above the relegation zone he will have money to try and retain our place in the EPL. Spend it all in the summer and if we still struggle, it could leave us heading back to the championship. Keep some money back for emergency buys in January. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 It might be that rafa is going to bring 2 or 3 in this summer but keep the majority of his transfer kitty for January. If we are in or just above the relegation zone he will have money to try and retain our place in the EPL. Spend it all in the summer and if we still struggle, it could leave us heading back to the championship. Keep some money back for emergency buys in January. That's the spirit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 You don't keep transfer money for January, prices get even more inflated then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sho Time Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 It might be that rafa is going to bring 2 or 3 in this summer but keep the majority of his transfer kitty for January. If we are in or just above the relegation zone he will have money to try and retain our place in the EPL. Spend it all in the summer and if we still struggle, it could leave us heading back to the championship. Keep some money back for emergency buys in January. Yeah, Rafa is saving all his money so that he can make panic buys in January if we are in the shit, as opposed to being suitably prepared, because that is his style. Also Rafa knows full well from previous experience that he will not be fucked over in January and Charnley/Ashley will be willing to sanction additional money to be spent on players that they could have got in the summer for less money once teams know how desperate we are - even more so than they know now. Don't be so daft, man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decky Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 Or he could buy now so we don't have to face that problem in January. We're gonna earn at least £100 million in May. If we look like we're going down the funds should be there either way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliottman Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 It might be that rafa is going to bring 2 or 3 in this summer but keep the majority of his transfer kitty for January. If we are in or just above the relegation zone he will have money to try and retain our place in the EPL. Spend it all in the summer and if we still struggle, it could leave us heading back to the championship. Keep some money back for emergency buys in January. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 Probably wasn't him but weren't Valencia's full backs Carboni and Angloma? Both passable both ways IIRC. Carboni man, was ancient as fuck at the time iirc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy84 Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 We've brought our January transfer window strategy forward to this summer by the looks of it, no value, powder dry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicane Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 It might be that rafa is going to bring 2 or 3 in this summer but keep the majority of his transfer kitty for January. If we are in or just above the relegation zone he will have money to try and retain our place in the EPL. Spend it all in the summer and if we still struggle, it could leave us heading back to the championship. Keep some money back for emergency buys in January. :lol: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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