Teasy Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 Again the article isn't saying we are struggling to find £12m. It says "Newcastle are also believed to be keen on Delph but may struggle to pay the fee required" its clearly an opinion by the journalist that we may not be prepared to offer that fee for Delph. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 Make no bones about it if we don't get some quality in specific areas we will be a championship club again 12 months from now we won't be like, not with rafa in charge...now if he leaves that's another matter btw i don't think the problem in splashing the cash is ours, if everyone else would just f*** off and let us lowball clubs we'd be fine Rafa is not a miracle worker, as it stands quality wise we have the 3rd worst squad in the league. If the likes of dummet,lascelles,colback,mbemba,mitrovic get anywhere near the first 11 on a regular basis we are f***ed Colback, Mbemba, Mitrovic, yes. Lascelles, maybe but Dummett is fine. We won't lose games because of Paul Dummett. I disagree. He brings nothing to the attack and is one of the poorest first-choice LBs out there in the Premier League. Lucky he's a left back and not a left winger. He's primary duty is to defend and at that he is very decent. Rafa will have us defending first, that's why he's getting a new contract. I'm not expecting Roberto Carlos or Ashley Cole. Someone who doesn't s*** themselves when in possession, can at least offer an overlap and deliver a decent cross. To not have that in the Premier League is shocking and we'll be found out badly. Go on then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 Gibbs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 Delph's been injured for almost all of the last 2 seasons. No wonder they don't want to pay much for him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 Again the article isn't saying we are struggling to find £12m. It says "Newcastle are also believed to be keen on Delph but may struggle to pay the fee required" its clearly an opinion by the journalist that we may not be prepared to offer that fee for Delph. but this is the problem inherent in our strategy in a nutshell isn't it, should that rumour be correct - £12m is arguably low for delph yet we might want him but won't stump up the cash...we appear to have a massive problem with valuations in the current climate only matters if he's a priority target anyway mind, if he's someone they might have taken a chance on due to injuries then who cares EDIT: as disco says aye Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 Gibbs. We shall see. He's a better full back but I'd guess he wont sign and if he did will be injured all the time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
healthyaddiction Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 Gibbs. We shall see. He's a better full back but I'd guess he wont sign and if he did will be injured all the time. Is it not the case that he's largely been over the injury issues for a few seasons now but just can't get a head of Monreal? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ElCid Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 Make no bones about it if we don't get some quality in specific areas we will be a championship club again 12 months from now we won't be like, not with rafa in charge...now if he leaves that's another matter btw i don't think the problem in splashing the cash is ours, if everyone else would just f*** off and let us lowball clubs we'd be fine Rafa is not a miracle worker, as it stands quality wise we have the 3rd worst squad in the league. If the likes of dummet,lascelles,colback,mbemba,mitrovic get anywhere near the first 11 on a regular basis we are f***ed Colback, Mbemba, Mitrovic, yes. Lascelles, maybe but Dummett is fine. We won't lose games because of Paul Dummett. You keep saying that and he is anything but alright Championship standard full back at best and one we must replace as first choice Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 I liked Malone from Fulham, only went to Huddersfield for £3m or so an all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Consortium of one Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 Gibbs 8M, Delph 12M and Ben Arfa free would be grand. That would just leave a striker? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemtizz Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 Gibbs 8M, Delph 12M and Ben Arfa free would be grand. That would just leave a striker? Keeper and a right back, too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 Gibbs 8M, Delph 12M and Ben Arfa free would be grand. That would just leave a striker? Keeper and a right back, too. Another winger. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemtizz Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 Yup. No way we're getting all of that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collage Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 Make no bones about it if we don't get some quality in specific areas we will be a championship club again 12 months from now we won't be like, not with rafa in charge...now if he leaves that's another matter btw i don't think the problem in splashing the cash is ours, if everyone else would just f*** off and let us lowball clubs we'd be fine Rafa is not a miracle worker, as it stands quality wise we have the 3rd worst squad in the league. If the likes of dummet,lascelles,colback,mbemba,mitrovic get anywhere near the first 11 on a regular basis we are f***ed Colback, Mbemba, Mitrovic, yes. Lascelles, maybe but Dummett is fine. We won't lose games because of Paul Dummett. I disagree. He brings nothing to the attack and is one of the poorest first-choice LBs out there in the Premier League. Lucky he's a left back and not a left winger. He's primary duty is to defend and at that he is very decent. Rafa will have us defending first, that's why he's getting a new contract. I'm not expecting Roberto Carlos or Ashley Cole. Someone who doesn't s*** themselves when in possession, can at least offer an overlap and deliver a decent cross. To not have that in the Premier League is shocking and we'll be found out badly. Dummett is a CB. In the modern game, a left back has to be able to do something with the ball at his feet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 Make no bones about it if we don't get some quality in specific areas we will be a championship club again 12 months from now we won't be like, not with rafa in charge...now if he leaves that's another matter btw i don't think the problem in splashing the cash is ours, if everyone else would just f*** off and let us lowball clubs we'd be fine Rafa is not a miracle worker, as it stands quality wise we have the 3rd worst squad in the league. If the likes of dummet,lascelles,colback,mbemba,mitrovic get anywhere near the first 11 on a regular basis we are f***ed Colback, Mbemba, Mitrovic, yes. Lascelles, maybe but Dummett is fine. We won't lose games because of Paul Dummett. I disagree. He brings nothing to the attack and is one of the poorest first-choice LBs out there in the Premier League. Lucky he's a left back and not a left winger. He's primary duty is to defend and at that he is very decent. Rafa will have us defending first, that's why he's getting a new contract. I'm not expecting Roberto Carlos or Ashley Cole. Someone who doesn't s*** themselves when in possession, can at least offer an overlap and deliver a decent cross. To not have that in the Premier League is shocking and we'll be found out badly. Dummett is a CB. In the modern game, a left back has to be able to do something with the ball at his feet. He's played about 2 games at CB in his entire career Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collage Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 Make no bones about it if we don't get some quality in specific areas we will be a championship club again 12 months from now we won't be like, not with rafa in charge...now if he leaves that's another matter btw i don't think the problem in splashing the cash is ours, if everyone else would just f*** off and let us lowball clubs we'd be fine Rafa is not a miracle worker, as it stands quality wise we have the 3rd worst squad in the league. If the likes of dummet,lascelles,colback,mbemba,mitrovic get anywhere near the first 11 on a regular basis we are f***ed Colback, Mbemba, Mitrovic, yes. Lascelles, maybe but Dummett is fine. We won't lose games because of Paul Dummett. I disagree. He brings nothing to the attack and is one of the poorest first-choice LBs out there in the Premier League. Lucky he's a left back and not a left winger. He's primary duty is to defend and at that he is very decent. Rafa will have us defending first, that's why he's getting a new contract. I'm not expecting Roberto Carlos or Ashley Cole. Someone who doesn't s*** themselves when in possession, can at least offer an overlap and deliver a decent cross. To not have that in the Premier League is shocking and we'll be found out badly. Dummett is a CB. In the modern game, a left back has to be able to do something with the ball at his feet. He's played about 2 games at CB in his entire career Yeah. You missed my point there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 Our next signing in at the beginning of august? I really do feel like I lack patience, but I guess that's because we need to sign so many, as well as us being cheap and slow. Plus I want Rafa to be backed 100%. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 Make no bones about it if we don't get some quality in specific areas we will be a championship club again 12 months from now we won't be like, not with rafa in charge...now if he leaves that's another matter btw i don't think the problem in splashing the cash is ours, if everyone else would just f*** off and let us lowball clubs we'd be fine Rafa is not a miracle worker, as it stands quality wise we have the 3rd worst squad in the league. If the likes of dummet,lascelles,colback,mbemba,mitrovic get anywhere near the first 11 on a regular basis we are f***ed Colback, Mbemba, Mitrovic, yes. Lascelles, maybe but Dummett is fine. We won't lose games because of Paul Dummett. I disagree. He brings nothing to the attack and is one of the poorest first-choice LBs out there in the Premier League. Lucky he's a left back and not a left winger. He's primary duty is to defend and at that he is very decent. Rafa will have us defending first, that's why he's getting a new contract. I'm not expecting Roberto Carlos or Ashley Cole. Someone who doesn't s*** themselves when in possession, can at least offer an overlap and deliver a decent cross. To not have that in the Premier League is shocking and we'll be found out badly. Dummett is a CB. In the modern game, a left back has to be able to do something with the ball at his feet. What didn't help half of the time last season was Gouffran playing so much, as if you set out to nullify our right flank you could just let him and Dummett see loads of the ball. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collage Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 Make no bones about it if we don't get some quality in specific areas we will be a championship club again 12 months from now we won't be like, not with rafa in charge...now if he leaves that's another matter btw i don't think the problem in splashing the cash is ours, if everyone else would just f*** off and let us lowball clubs we'd be fine Rafa is not a miracle worker, as it stands quality wise we have the 3rd worst squad in the league. If the likes of dummet,lascelles,colback,mbemba,mitrovic get anywhere near the first 11 on a regular basis we are f***ed Colback, Mbemba, Mitrovic, yes. Lascelles, maybe but Dummett is fine. We won't lose games because of Paul Dummett. I disagree. He brings nothing to the attack and is one of the poorest first-choice LBs out there in the Premier League. Lucky he's a left back and not a left winger. He's primary duty is to defend and at that he is very decent. Rafa will have us defending first, that's why he's getting a new contract. I'm not expecting Roberto Carlos or Ashley Cole. Someone who doesn't s*** themselves when in possession, can at least offer an overlap and deliver a decent cross. To not have that in the Premier League is shocking and we'll be found out badly. Dummett is a CB. In the modern game, a left back has to be able to do something with the ball at his feet. What didn't help half of the time last season was Gouffran playing so much, as if you set out to nullify our right flank you could just let him and Dummett see loads of the ball. Yep. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 So that's our spending done then? It quite clearly means we're struggling to agree that he's worth 12M and nothing to do with how much cash we have to spend. If our targets to start in central midfield aren't worth us paying £12m for they probably shouldn't be targets. It's a nothing amount for a player in his prime with significant PL experience. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 If it's not a "bargain" we're not interested. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altamullan Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 Yup. No way we're getting all of that. Really? You might be right but I'lm expecting an outlay of £70-80m plus a loan or two and a stray freebie. This won't be the net spend, but I am expecting this level of investment by September. Think I'm setting myself up for a fall? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordiedean Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 Yup. No way we're getting all of that. Really? You might be right but I'lm expecting an outlay of £70-80m plus a loan or two and a stray freebie. This won't be the net spend, but I am expecting this level of investment by September. Think I'm setting myself up for a fall? A very big fall.....I'd be very suprised if we have a net spend of over 30m . We certainly won't be breaking our transfer record Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 On the train, so here's a list of the current first choice left-backs in the Premier League. I'm not a huge fan, but does Dummett stand out that much, other than being one of the most defensively-tilted ones? Where would people rank him? By the same token, where would people put Gibbs? Nacho Monreal Charlie Daniels Gaetan Bong Stephen Ward Marcus Alonso Patrick van Aanholt / Papa Souare Leighton Baines Chris Lowe / Scott Malone Christian Fuchs James Milner Aleksandar Kolarov Matteo Darmian Paul Dummett Ryan Bertrand Erik Pieters Martin Olsson Danny Rose Jose Holebas Allan Nyom Aaron Cresswell Few of these are wing-backs I suppose, but it's close enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timeEd32 Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 Yup. No way we're getting all of that. Really? You might be right but I'lm expecting an outlay of £70-80m plus a loan or two and a stray freebie. This won't be the net spend, but I am expecting this level of investment by September. Think I'm setting myself up for a fall? We'll be falling together - I'm expecting something similar and I think we will break our transfer record. I think it's just been slow so far, which is frustrating given how much we need to do and the fact that we have a good chance to start strongly with our fixtures (Spurs aside). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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