MSC26 Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 Fair to say that Benitez no longer controls transfers and that Ashley is back and involved with key decision making Can only make for unrest How's that? Sometimes transfers don't happen. Look when Keegan was in charge or Robson, we didnt always sign players we wanted. We clearly didnt want to sign players who were'nt good enough for the Premier League, hence targetting Townsend, McCarthy. It's difficult to sign players of that ilk when you're in the 2nd tier for a kick off. Another person who's crying about Benitez leaving when nobody knows what has actually happened, and Benitez is still there. Can't enjoy his reign at NUFC because so many fans are throwing their toys out the pram and speculating that he is leaving or unhappy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 When you've lost 7 games and your squad has glaring weaknesses you sign someone like, it's been clear throughout the season that any problems with us were going to be fixed by us bringing players in, not Benitez changing anything. I don't know why people are just accepting these arguments tbh, if we cannot get a 'prem player' in then get one of those disgusting 'average Championship players' (YUKKKK!) in for a few quid. There's not some mental conspiricy theory going on. #wait Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 fuckin hell man, I`m always p*ssed off when we don't strengthen our squad but when you consider the squad, manager & infrastructure & current points total we currently have, we should be a shoe in for promotion really. I have considered it, <b>it looks mid championship+ JJ shelvey</b>. the other Issue is prem clubs strengthening while we hope for promotion and dont- so the chasm to overcome to stay up if we get there just gets bigger. Fuck off man. no we were shit when shelvey was missing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 When you've lost 7 games and your squad has glaring weaknesses you sign someone like, it's been clear throuout the season that any problems with us were going to be fixed by us bringing players in, not Benitez changing anything. I don't know why people are just accepting these arguments tbh, if we cannot get a 'prem player' in then get one of those disgusting 'average Championship players' (YUKKKK!) in for a few quid. There's not some mental conspiricy theory going in. i totally agree, it appears the manager didn't want any though, he wanted players who were prem ready. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 When you've lost 7 games and your squad has glaring weaknesses you sign someone like, it's been clear throuout the season that any problems with us were going to be fixed by us bringing players in, not Benitez changing anything. I don't know why people are just accepting these arguments tbh, if we cannot get a 'prem player' in then get one of those disgusting 'average Championship players' (YUKKKK!) in for a few quid. There's not some mental conspiricy theory going in. i totally agree, it appears the manager didn't want any though, he wanted players who were prem ready. You honestly believe Rafa didn't want more boddies in midfield if we were willing to get then? Or do you not think any opinion he has is based on the restrictions he has placed on him by Ashley? He also said he only wanted Prem ready players in earlier in the window when he still young and nieve, he thought he was getting atleast 2 in back then. He'll put on a brave face but he repeated yesterday that he wanted at least 2 in and that it was all on the board whether he gets them or not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 fuckin hell man, I`m always p*ssed off when we don't strengthen our squad but when you consider the squad, manager & infrastructure & current points total we currently have, we should be a shoe in for promotion really. I have considered it, <b>it looks mid championship+ JJ shelvey</b>. the other Issue is prem clubs strengthening while we hope for promotion and dont- so the chasm to overcome to stay up if we get there just gets bigger. Fuck off man. no we were shit when shelvey was missing. If shit equals second place in the league then I'm glad we're shit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy2Sheds Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 I think it's abundantly clear that he wanted a CM and a winger. I hope it doesn't bite us in the arse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 fuckin hell man, I`m always p*ssed off when we don't strengthen our squad but when you consider the squad, manager & infrastructure & current points total we currently have, we should be a shoe in for promotion really. I have considered it, <b>it looks mid championship+ JJ shelvey</b>. the other Issue is prem clubs strengthening while we hope for promotion and dont- so the chasm to overcome to stay up if we get there just gets bigger. Fuck off man. no we were shit when shelvey was missing. If shit equals second place in the league then I'm glad we're shit. come on, the momentum was moving away from the play offs when Shelvey was playing, and slipping back towards them without him. and you well know it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 Our form without shelvey wasn't exactly great. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 fuckin hell man, I`m always p*ssed off when we don't strengthen our squad but when you consider the squad, manager & infrastructure & current points total we currently have, we should be a shoe in for promotion really. I have considered it, <b>it looks mid championship+ JJ shelvey</b>. the other Issue is prem clubs strengthening while we hope for promotion and dont- so the chasm to overcome to stay up if we get there just gets bigger. Fuck off man. no we were shit when shelvey was missing. If shit equals second place in the league then I'm glad we're shit. come on, the momentum was moving away from the play offs when Shelvey was playing, and slipping back towards them without him. and you well know it. Nope. Stop going on as if every team below us are going to win all of their games, because they aren't. And neither are Brighton. There's a long way to go but we've got enough quality to finish at least second imo. Rafa's lack of a plan B is costing us more than Ashley's apparent tight fistedness this season, as much as I hate to say it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 When you've lost 7 games and your squad has glaring weaknesses you sign someone like, it's been clear throuout the season that any problems with us were going to be fixed by us bringing players in, not Benitez changing anything. I don't know why people are just accepting these arguments tbh, if we cannot get a 'prem player' in then get one of those disgusting 'average Championship players' (YUKKKK!) in for a few quid. There's not some mental conspiricy theory going in. i totally agree, it appears the manager didn't want any though, he wanted players who were prem ready. You honestly believe Rafa didn't want more boddies in midfield if we were willing to get then? Or do you not think any opinion he has is based on the restrictions he has placed on him by Ashley? He also said he only wanted Prem ready players in earlier in the window when he still young and nieve, he thought he was getting atleast 2 in back then. He'll put on a brave face but he repeated yesterday that he wanted at least 2 in and that it was all on the board whether he gets them or not. his crack from December sounds pretty categoric, whether that opinion changed or not i've no idea, and nor has anyone else tbh. I'd like to think he wasn't just being ashley's mouthpiece though, we've had enough of them. i think we should have brought more competent bodies in for sure, prem ready or not. Guess we'll see how this plays out over the next week or so, we just have to hope he doesn't feel (and hasn't been) stitched up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 fuckin hell man, I`m always p*ssed off when we don't strengthen our squad but when you consider the squad, manager & infrastructure & current points total we currently have, we should be a shoe in for promotion really. I have considered it, <b>it looks mid championship+ JJ shelvey</b>. the other Issue is prem clubs strengthening while we hope for promotion and dont- so the chasm to overcome to stay up if we get there just gets bigger. Fuck off man. no we were shit when shelvey was missing. If shit equals second place in the league then I'm glad we're shit. come on, the momentum was moving away from the play offs when Shelvey was playing, and slipping back towards them without him. and you well know it. Nope. Stop going on as if every team below us are going to win all of their games, because they aren't. And neither are Brighton. There's a long way to go but we've got enough quality to finish at least second imo. Rafa's lack of a plan B is costing us more than Ashley's apparent tight fistedness this season, as much as I hate to say it. I'd hate to say something so ludicrously stupid too tbf. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 fuckin hell man, I`m always p*ssed off when we don't strengthen our squad but when you consider the squad, manager & infrastructure & current points total we currently have, we should be a shoe in for promotion really. I have considered it, <b>it looks mid championship+ JJ shelvey</b>. the other Issue is prem clubs strengthening while we hope for promotion and dont- so the chasm to overcome to stay up if we get there just gets bigger. Fuck off man. no we were shit when shelvey was missing. If shit equals second place in the league then I'm glad we're shit. come on, the momentum was moving away from the play offs when Shelvey was playing, and slipping back towards them without him. and you well know it. Nope. Stop going on as if every team below us are going to win all of their games, because they aren't. And neither are Brighton. There's a long way to go but we've got enough quality to finish at least second imo. Rafa's lack of a plan B is costing us more than Ashley's apparent tight fistedness this season, as much as I hate to say it. ok, we will have to see how it goes. We would have had a far better chance of promotion with a couple of additions. It looks to me like Ashley is sewing the seeds for a mediocre time if we do get promoted, curtail Rafas ambition while looking like they tried. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 fuckin hell man, I`m always p*ssed off when we don't strengthen our squad but when you consider the squad, manager & infrastructure & current points total we currently have, we should be a shoe in for promotion really. I have considered it, <b>it looks mid championship+ JJ shelvey</b>. the other Issue is prem clubs strengthening while we hope for promotion and dont- so the chasm to overcome to stay up if we get there just gets bigger. Fuck off man. no we were shit when shelvey was missing. If shit equals second place in the league then I'm glad we're shit. come on, the momentum was moving away from the play offs when Shelvey was playing, and slipping back towards them without him. and you well know it. Nope. Stop going on as if every team below us are going to win all of their games, because they aren't. And neither are Brighton. There's a long way to go but we've got enough quality to finish at least second imo. Rafa's lack of a plan B is costing us more than Ashley's apparent tight fistedness this season, as much as I hate to say it. ok, we will have to see how it goes. We would have had a far better chance of promotion with a couple of additions. It looks to me like Ashley is sewing the seeds for a mediocre time if we do get promoted, curtail Rafas ambition while looking like they tried. Based on what though? There's absolutely nothing to suggest he'll go either way in the summer, spunking shit loads or giving Rafa nothing to work with. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 When you've lost 7 games and your squad has glaring weaknesses you sign someone like, it's been clear throuout the season that any problems with us were going to be fixed by us bringing players in, not Benitez changing anything. I don't know why people are just accepting these arguments tbh, if we cannot get a 'prem player' in then get one of those disgusting 'average Championship players' (YUKKKK!) in for a few quid. There's not some mental conspiricy theory going in. i totally agree, it appears the manager didn't want any though, he wanted players who were prem ready. You honestly believe Rafa didn't want more boddies in midfield if we were willing to get then? Or do you not think any opinion he has is based on the restrictions he has placed on him by Ashley? He also said he only wanted Prem ready players in earlier in the window when he still young and nieve, he thought he was getting atleast 2 in back then. He'll put on a brave face but he repeated yesterday that he wanted at least 2 in and that it was all on the board whether he gets them or not. his crack from December sounds pretty categoric, whether that opinion changed or not i've no idea, and nor has anyone else tbh. I'd like to think he wasn't just being ashley's mouthpiece though, we've had enough of them. i think we should have brought more competent bodies in for sure, prem ready or not. Guess we'll see how this plays out over the next week or so, we just have to hope he doesn't feel (and hasn't been) stitched up. I don't think he's being Ashley's mouthpiece, I just don't think he's going to come out and start fanning the flames. At a guess I'd say the board reiterated to him at the start of the window than any money spent that month will come off his pot for the summer (and if the reports are true that we're no longer buying players with no sell on value) - hence "I'll only bring in players who can make the step-up". I think by the end of the window when we failed to bring in a single player he was probably pretty pissed off. At the very least I seriously doubt that this was his idea and that had he actually had full control we would have bought. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 fuckin hell man, I`m always p*ssed off when we don't strengthen our squad but when you consider the squad, manager & infrastructure & current points total we currently have, we should be a shoe in for promotion really. I have considered it, <b>it looks mid championship+ JJ shelvey</b>. the other Issue is prem clubs strengthening while we hope for promotion and dont- so the chasm to overcome to stay up if we get there just gets bigger. Fuck off man. no we were shit when shelvey was missing. If shit equals second place in the league then I'm glad we're shit. come on, the momentum was moving away from the play offs when Shelvey was playing, and slipping back towards them without him. and you well know it. Nope. Stop going on as if every team below us are going to win all of their games, because they aren't. And neither are Brighton. There's a long way to go but we've got enough quality to finish at least second imo. Rafa's lack of a plan B is costing us more than Ashley's apparent tight fistedness this season, as much as I hate to say it. ok, we will have to see how it goes. We would have had a far better chance of promotion with a couple of additions. It looks to me like Ashley is sewing the seeds for a mediocre time if we do get promoted, curtail Rafas ambition while looking like they tried. Based on what though? There's absolutely nothing to suggest he'll go either way in the summer, spunking shit loads or giving Rafa nothing to work with. Just a feeling based on 10 years and 2 relegations. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Toon Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 I still fail to see where Rafa has said he had full control and he even played it down in his Summer announcement. It is fairly assumed that he has final say on targets which isn't the same tho. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 He should have full control of his ins and outs. Not full control of everything like in the 70s where managers were turning up at player's houses. It was believed that if he says 'we need x player' we'd go out and get them (within reason) from what I recall. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 Manager should always have control on the type of signings and have final say on the players we sign. Board should manage the finances and tell the manager what he has available and what he would need to do in terms of moving players on to create funds to sign extra bodies. I despise the role Carr has had at this club and I still think his role at the club is what got us relegated in the end. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 According to True Faith he told them personally before the window opened that he wanted a CM and a winger. He's been let down badly, like. Fucking not on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foluwashola Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 According to True Faith he told them personally before the window opened that he wanted a CM and a winger. He's been let down badly, like. Fucking not on. Guardiola probably wants s proper defence anarl. Let down badly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 I despise the role Carr has had at this club and I still think his role at the club is what got us relegated. Just like Kinnear, he's a putrid old bastard way past his sell-by date. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 According to True Faith he told them personally before the window opened that he wanted a CM and a winger. He's been let down badly, like. f***ing not on. Guardiola probably wants s proper defence anarl. Let down badly. It's hardly the Man City boards fault that he spunked £50m on John Stones and £16m on a goalkeeper with no hands like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 Only Foluwashola would make that comparison. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 According to True Faith he told them personally before the window opened that he wanted a CM and a winger. He's been let down badly, like. f***ing not on. Guardiola probably wants s proper defence anarl. Let down badly. It's hardly the Man City boards fault that he spunked £50m on John Stones and £16m on a goalkeeper with no hands like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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