Yorkie Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 I'm no advocate of 'keep politics out of football' but I think it would be a bit of a shame for Wor Flags to deviate (for any reason at all) from their solitary purpose of cultivating a triumphant atmosphere based on everyone's pride in NUFC; even for something as momentous as the Queen passing/especially for something as divisive as showing compassion for the monarchy. It might even be seen as bad taste to use that image of the cup win because it's as much about highlighting memories of our success as it is about commemorating the Queen, if not moreso. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 3 minutes ago, TheGuv said: It’s a picture of Jimmy Scoular collecting our last domestic trophy. Some proper wet wipes in here like. I was responding to others saying they think it would be too political or may upset those who are not royalists. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuv Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 Just now, Yorkie said: I'm no advocate of 'keep politics out of football' but I think it would be a bit of a shame for Wor Flags to deviate (for any reason at all) from their solitary purpose of cultivating a triumphant atmosphere based on everyone's pride in NUFC; even for something as momentous as the Queen passing/especially for something as divisive as showing compassion for the monarchy. It might even be seen as bad taste to use that image of the cup win because it's as much about highlighting memories of our success as it is about commemorating the Queen, if not moreso. Where do you stop with that though Yorkie? Showing ‘compassion for the monarchy’ is actually in the city’s psyche. We may as well stop calling ourselves Geordies (for King George during the Jacobite Revolution of 1745) if that’s the case? Perhaps any flags with ‘Fortiter Defendit Triumphans’ (Triumphing by Brace Defence’ in 1644 during the siege of Royalist Newcastle in the Civil War) should also never be flown again. If people really want to overthink and potentially be offended by flying a flag of a 1955 cup win, then we need to overthink and potentially be offended of everything the city of Newcastle, represents imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
80 Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 8 minutes ago, Yorkie said: I'm no advocate of 'keep politics out of football' but I think it would be a bit of a shame for Wor Flags to deviate (for any reason at all) from their solitary purpose of cultivating a triumphant atmosphere based on everyone's pride in NUFC; even for something as momentous as the Queen passing/especially for something as divisive as showing compassion for the monarchy. It might even be seen as bad taste to use that image of the cup win because it's as much about highlighting memories of our success as it is about commemorating the Queen, if not moreso. I'd say it's an image which can be read in many ways, yes, which is part of what makes it a good one. And it's a chance to display a triumphant moment of our club - it's not like we're drowning in hi res imagery of our title victories, is it... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
christ Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 If there was a chance a home game reasonably soon I could see the point but by the time we play Brentford she’ll have been dead for a month. Would just look odd. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuv Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, christ said: If there was a chance a home game reasonably soon I could see the point but by the time we play Brentford she’ll have been dead for a month. Would just look odd. I’d agree on that. Would depend if the Bournemouth game goes ahead? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 3 minutes ago, christ said: If there was a chance a home game reasonably soon I could see the point but by the time we play Brentford she’ll have been dead for a month. Would just look odd. We are planning something for Brentford which won't feature the Queen (at present) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimburst Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 FWIW, I wasn't talking about that picture, it's innocuous. We, as a club, have history. It would be ridiculous to suggest that revering that history is a pre requisite to supporting NUFC, though. The most important issue is that this fan led group is one of the best things about the club and I don't think the fucking queen is where wer should slip up and alienate people. Loads of people hate the monarchy, it's not a fringe view. It's plenty respectful to not say anything about her at all. If you were going to get political, I'd hope it would be for something far more important than this. Perhaps the strikes, levelling up or Ukraine (or dare say it; Saudi Human Rights). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrenBartonCentrePartin Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 Love to see me dad's face if we had a Queen banner in the Gallowgate. He's that left wing he stops short of singing the "Eddie is our king" line in Ei Ei Ei O. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 11 minutes ago, TheGuv said: Where do you stop with that though Yorkie? Showing ‘compassion for the monarchy’ is actually in the city’s psyche. We may as well stop calling ourselves Geordies (for King George during the Jacobite Revolution of 1745) if that’s the case? Perhaps any flags with ‘Fortiter Defendit Triumphans’ (Triumphing by Brace Defence’ in 1644 during the siege of Royalist Newcastle in the Civil War) should also never be flown again. If people really want to overthink and potentially be offended by flying a flag of a 1955 cup win, then we need to overthink and potentially be offended of everything the city of Newcastle, represents imo. Interesting points and I bow down () to your knowledge, but personally I think it's a bit of a stretch. In my opinion, the city having immovable associations with monarchies from centuries past doesn't 'justify' Wor Flags deviating from their entirely NUFC agenda. ('Justify' makes it sound like the act of celebrating the Queen would be some kind of grave misdemeanour, which obviously it wouldn't be, but for want of a better word.) Don't get me wrong I wouldn't be particularly arsed either way in truth, I personally just don't think it's really the point of WF. But obviously it's only a one-off and if it happens then whatever, I'm not gonna say it's not a positive gesture or anything. Re the potential for offence; I just think if you want to pay your respects then pay your respects; to caveat it in order to maintain the usual theme/message might make it seem a bit disingenuous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohmelads Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 5 minutes ago, TheGuv said: Where do you stop with that though Yorkie? Showing ‘compassion for the monarchy’ is actually in the city’s psyche. We may as well stop calling ourselves Geordies (for King George during the Jacobite Revolution of 1745) if that’s the case? Perhaps any flags with ‘Fortiter Defendit Triumphans’ (Triumphing by Brace Defence’ in 1644 during the siege of Royalist Newcastle in the Civil War) should also never be flown again. If people really want to overthink and potentially be offended by flying a flag of a 1955 cup win, then we need to overthink and potentially be offended of everything the city of Newcastle, represents imo. That's one of a number of competing theories about why we're called Geordies. No one knows which one is true. If we're looking to the past, our region has had a turbulent history with regards to central powers. The last person in Britain to be hung and gibbeted was on Tyneside (William Jobling over Jarrow Slacks). If we're looking more recently, the region has consistently had the highest unemployment in Britain for decades and this shows no sign of ending. I think that influences a lot of people's views on the monarchy. I don't see it as an issue of being "offended". I see it as misrepresenting the fanbase to be honest who will have very mixed views on the subject. I really admire what Wor Flags do. I love the displays. I can only speak for myself, but I think many others also see the monarchy as a stain on British history. If people want to respect the Queen in their own way then I see no issue with that. But putting flags up that are beamed globally on TV does kind of represent us as a fanbase. I see no harm in the photo above of our last domestic cup win because it's Toon-related and relevant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 I’m as anti royal and the monarchy as they come, but I wouldn’t be against Wor Flags doing something on behalf of the Queen, even a small kind gesture. I’ve been binge watching and reading up on a tonne of shit on her, her time in service, the entire Royal Family, and she was undoubtedly a decent person and gave a hell of a lot to this country and other nations in terms of service. And she was there when we last won a domestic trophy. Maybe it’s fitting we as a fanbase do something to maybe if not honour her, to recognise her… or not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 (edited) No thanks. Not for me. Keep it to football and the area. Edited September 10, 2022 by madras Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 After the morning I’ve had, I’m a lot softer right now and think fuck it, let’s spread some love around! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groundhog63 Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 (edited) I couldn't give a flying **** about the monarchy* personally and think some of the confected handwringing has been as cringeworthy as expected. Many people are genuinely mourning her death and I get that as well. All a bit Game of Thrones for me but, hey-ho, unless we have a civil war it's not a hill I'll die on. If wor flags feel the need then crack on. ps "Opinions are like arseholes. Everyone's got one" * appreciate the Granny, Mam, family aspect of her loss etc etc Edited September 10, 2022 by Groundhog63 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, christ said: If there was a chance a home game reasonably soon I could see the point but by the time we play Brentford she’ll have been dead for a month. Would just look odd. How would a flag of us collecting the FA cup look odd? It's just topical. Edited September 10, 2022 by Happinesstan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 1 hour ago, ohmelads said: Jarrow Slacks Wasn't even Geordie Jeans. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 Just now, Happinesstan said: Wasn't even Geordie Jeans. I was going to go with "Shame......just over a pair of trousers" but yours is better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 7 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said: Wasn't too long a go they could have used the upper concourse at the Stagium of Light. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
et tu brute Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 30 minutes ago, madras said: Wasn't too long a go they could have used the upper concourse at the Stagium of Light. Still can can't they? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 57 minutes ago, madras said: Wasn't too long a go they could have used the upper concourse at the Stagium of Light. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzz Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 14 hours ago, 80 said: I wouldn't say something like the cup winner image would be political so much as poignant, reflecting time past and aspirations. Really like that idea tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleBingo Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 4 hours ago, Stifler said: It’s well known that I’m a staunch Republican (regards to monarch, not American politics). I’d have no trouble with the FA Cup picture as a flag. Same here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 Call me what you want, but I think this would be awful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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