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Froggy

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6 minutes ago, WarrenBartonCentrePartin said:

Hopefully the Leighton Buzzard Reds will be belting big Joel Glazer's name out on Monday night :thup:

 

What song did you sing when Big Mike spent £70m on Joe, ASM and Krath? We'll sing the same one. 

 

 

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Maybe if Man Utd actually had a real sporting director--and not just a "football man" which is code for some old guy who used to treat ACL tears with a wet sponge--but if Man Utd were smart, they would call up Edwards, ask him to name a number he likes, and pay him, then let him take over.

 

I realize I'm going to sound annoying--my apologies--but why do you have to spend money? Casemiro is a great player, but an insane waste of money. 60m transfer fee and 18m salary? Why? Why do that to yourself? It's such an insane waste of money. Antony... for +80m? Why? He's good, but, my Lord.

 

I'm a Milan fan (obviously) and I think what our club has shown is that proper scouting and creating a real environment can fundamentally change a club's fortunes. Liverpool did this with Klopp. I remember when Salah was going up for sale with Roma, (some) Milan fans preferred Suso over him. I remember Salah being described as a "squad player." You could see the talent from a mile away. 42m is a bargain in comparison to what Man Utd is paying for their targets. There's no need to spend. They just become impossible players to shift once they go wrong.

 

De Gea should move on, you need a keeper who can actually handle the ball, De Gea is a great, world-class shot stopper, but he can't do the other things. But how can you move him with those wages? You can't.

 

At Milan we brought in Simon Kjaer, who I did not want, but he was playing at a world-class level for us before tearing his ACL. He's back now, but he was a monster. I thought he was old and past it, but he didn't cost much. So if Arnautovic is who your coach wants, get him. Not sure why every transfer in the EPL has to be for a significant fee in order for it to be seen as quality.

 

There was an AS Roma team that had an insane lineup, if they kept everyone, at one point they could have fielded a team like this: Alisson, Florenzi/Zappacosta, Marquinos, Rudiger, Digne/Emerson; Paredes/Cristante, De Rossi, Nainggolan/Pellegrini; Salah, Dzeko/Patrick Schick, Zaniolo -- some players have retired, but the point is that Roma have let go so many players, because they don't have the money--but so many of those players, like Alisson, Marquinos, Rudiger, Emerson, Paredes, Pellegrini, Salah, Schick, etc etc, they did not come for huge money. There's no reason you have to pay insane amounts to get good players.

 

What is Milan doing? We're building our team like Roma or Napoli, we're just not selling anyone we don't want to, because we don't need to. If Roma didn't need to, they'd have one of the strongest teams in the world. Same with Napoli. Many Milan fans (particularly those in Europe) are opposed to this, because they are confused when we buy some random French CB for 500k and he turns out to be the best U21 defender in the world, and on the road to being a top 10 CB in the world.

 

It's insane to me. And quite frankly, Newcastle have seemed to take on this approach, which confuses everyone, and I don't get it. Don't buy a player just because your fans want a player in that position. Let's say you panic and buy some RW (I see Newcastle fans want a RW) and you don't want to spend 60m or whatever on Diaby, because that's an absurd amount. Great. Then you panic and grab some other kid for 30m, he flops, and now you're stuck with him, great. That's the entire Man Utd cycle, over and over and over again. That's what Barca is doing. The difference is that Man Utd can afford to make these mistakes because they're run, on the commercial side of things, competently. Barca are a shambles.

 

But the hard reset that is required at Old Trafford isn't going to happen when you have Maguire and De Gea and Bruno. You need to buy players for Ten Hag's system, you need to get rid of players who don't fit that system, take the losses, kick them out. Buy players that fit the style you want. Let's say Ten Hag suddenly hates football and retires, there needs to be a system and approach from youth to first team. To Barca's credit, they do that. Milan do that, too. Bayern, as well. That's why players from their academies feature heavily in their system. And if you look at the best teams, in history, including Man Utd's best periods, they had players from their academy.

 

Milan's current captain is a hometown boy, who went to games as a child, and could only afford to sit in the section where Inter fans generally sit (Curva Nord--Milan fans sit in the Curva Sud) and he's not a spectacular player. He's not fast, he's strongish, but he's smart, tactically versatile (can play as a CM), he's a poor man's Lahm, he's not going to get his shirt number retired, but he fits our system. He is probably not going to become world-class, but he's a top 5 RB in Serie A, and he has worked his way to the first team, stuck around to fight for his place, and won it, and the captaincy.

 

So I dunno. I find the idea that you have to spend money to ensure success to be weird. You don't. Why? Because transfers are not just about buying the right players. It's also about developing them, using them properly, and that's why it's weird how City wanted Alexis Sanchez too, but, it's clear the difference in the environment at City and that at Man Utd.

 

Sorry for the length everyone, hope you're all doing well!

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Froggy

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Just now, Shearergol said:

…and Krafth :lol:

 

Still spent £70m. A huge sum for a club finishing 13th.

 

Don't know why you Newcastle fans complained about Ashley. 

 

... not quite as simple as that though is it? :lol:

 

The people saying we should thank the Glazer's or sing them songs because we've spent a bit of money look extremely bitter and very silly. Especially Newcastle fans as they faced a similar regime. 

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1 minute ago, Froggy said:

 

Still spent £70m. A huge sum for a club finishing 13th.

 

Don't know why you Newcastle fans complained about Ashley. 

 

... not quite as simple as that though is it? :lol:

 

The people saying we should thank the Glazer's or sing them songs because we've spent a bit of money look extremely bitter and very silly. Especially Newcastle fans as they faced a similar regime. 

Similar how? You went out and bought the best players, went after the best managers (until Ole). We played a team of championship standard players in the premier league with the sole intention of survival.

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1 minute ago, Shearergol said:

Similar how? You went out and bought the best players, went after the best managers (until Ole). We played a team of championship standard players in the premier league with the sole intention of survival.

 

Finished 5th and had some great players. Even Steve Bruce was given a net spend of £100m. Ungrateful. 

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27 minutes ago, Milanista said:

Maybe if Man Utd actually had a real sporting director--and not just a "football man" which is code for some old guy who used to treat ACL tears with a wet sponge--but if Man Utd were smart, they would call up Edwards, ask him to name a number he likes, and pay him, then let him take over.

 

I realize I'm going to sound annoying--my apologies--but why do you have to spend money? Casemiro is a great player, but an insane waste of money. 60m transfer fee and 18m salary? Why? Why do that to yourself? It's such an insane waste of money. Antony... for +80m? Why? He's good, but, my Lord.

 

I'm a Milan fan (obviously) and I think what our club has shown is that proper scouting and creating a real environment can fundamentally change a club's fortunes. Liverpool did this with Klopp. I remember when Salah was going up for sale with Roma, (some) Milan fans preferred Suso over him. I remember Salah being described as a "squad player." You could see the talent from a mile away. 42m is a bargain in comparison to what Man Utd is paying for their targets. There's no need to spend. They just become impossible players to shift once they go wrong.

 

De Gea should move on, you need a keeper who can actually handle the ball, De Gea is a great, world-class shot stopper, but he can't do the other things. But how can you move him with those wages? You can't.

 

At Milan we brought in Simon Kjaer, who I did not want, but he was playing at a world-class level for us before tearing his ACL. He's back now, but he was a monster. I thought he was old and past it, but he didn't cost much. So if Arnautovic is who your coach wants, get him. Not sure why every transfer in the EPL has to be for a significant fee in order for it to be seen as quality.

 

There was an AS Roma team that had an insane lineup, if they kept everyone, at one point they could have fielded a team like this: Alisson, Florenzi/Zappacosta, Marquinos, Rudiger, Digne/Emerson; Paredes/Cristante, De Rossi, Nainggolan/Pellegrini; Salah, Dzeko/Patrick Schick, Zaniolo -- some players have retired, but the point is that Roma have let go so many players, because they don't have the money--but so many of those players, like Alisson, Marquinos, Rudiger, Emerson, Paredes, Pellegrini, Salah, Schick, etc etc, they did not come for huge money. There's no reason you have to pay insane amounts to get good players.

 

What is Milan doing? We're building our team like Roma or Napoli, we're just not selling anyone we don't want to, because we don't need to. If Roma didn't need to, they'd have one of the strongest teams in the world. Same with Napoli. Many Milan fans (particularly those in Europe) are opposed to this, because they are confused when we buy some random French CB for 500k and he turns out to be the best U21 defender in the world, and on the road to being a top 10 CB in the world.

 

It's insane to me. And quite frankly, Newcastle have seemed to take on this approach, which confuses everyone, and I don't get it. Don't buy a player just because your fans want a player in that position. Let's say you panic and buy some RW (I see Newcastle fans want a RW) and you don't want to spend 60m or whatever on Diaby, because that's an absurd amount. Great. Then you panic and grab some other kid for 30m, he flops, and now you're stuck with him, great. That's the entire Man Utd cycle, over and over and over again. That's what Barca is doing. The difference is that Man Utd can afford to make these mistakes because they're run, on the commercial side of things, competently. Barca are a shambles.

 

But the hard reset that is required at Old Trafford isn't going to happen when you have Maguire and De Gea and Bruno. You need to buy players for Ten Hag's system, you need to get rid of players who don't fit that system, take the losses, kick them out. Buy players that fit the style you want. Let's say Ten Hag suddenly hates football and retires, there needs to be a system and approach from youth to first team. To Barca's credit, they do that. Milan do that, too. Bayern, as well. That's why players from their academies feature heavily in their system. And if you look at the best teams, in history, including Man Utd's best periods, they had players from their academy.

 

Milan's current captain is a hometown boy, who went to games as a child, and could only afford to sit in the section where Inter fans generally sit (Curva Nord--Milan fans sit in the Curva Sud) and he's not a spectacular player. He's not fast, he's strongish, but he's smart, tactically versatile (can play as a CM), he's a poor man's Lahm, he's not going to get his shirt number retired, but he fits our system. He is probably not going to become world-class, but he's a top 5 RB in Serie A, and he has worked his way to the first team, stuck around to fight for his place, and won it, and the captaincy.

 

So I dunno. I find the idea that you have to spend money to ensure success to be weird. You don't. Why? Because transfers are not just about buying the right players. It's also about developing them, using them properly, and that's why it's weird how City wanted Alexis Sanchez too, but, it's clear the difference in the environment at City and that at Man Utd.

 

Sorry for the length everyone, hope you're all doing well!

Great Post ( who's Edwards ?) 

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Man United and Casemiro remind me a bit of the latter Wenger years when he'd get stick in the papers and on the web, check the calendar, see the window was running out, shit the bed, start googling players and randomly spunking silly money all over the place because the fans were angry.

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Sick of hearing about the glazers and long suffering Man United fans now , they put out a team that cost £420 million against Brentford, plus god knows how much In wages that starting eleven would have been getting [emoji38]. Then are spending another 60 million on Casemiro and probably another 80 on that winger .  Every manager they have appointed has been given money to spend and backed by the owners. It’s the exact opposite to the way Ashley ran Newcastle .

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Geogaddi said:

Sick of hearing about the glazers and long suffering Man United fans now , they put out a team that cost £420 million against Brentford, plus god knows how much In wages that starting eleven would have been getting [emoji38]. Then are spending another 60 million on Casemiro and probably another 80 on that winger .  Every manager they have appointed has been given money to spend and backed by the owners. It’s the exact opposite to the way Ashley ran Newcastle .

 

 

 

BUT BUT BUT LEAKY FALLY DOWN STADIUM!!11!!!!

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If they thought Casemiro, Gakpo and Antony were the answer then they would have already been signed by now. They're panicking massively here. Casemiro is undoubtedly a good player, not seen too much of the other 2 but they're also highly rated too. But throwing this much cash at the problem a few days after Brentford and Brighton is 100% knee-jerk from the owners who are rattled to fuck right now. 

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