Froggy Posted Friday at 09:10 Share Posted Friday at 09:10 59 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: Bringing up Chelsea and Man City as clubs that players are attracted to because of their prestige and honours should be setting off alarm bells while you're making the point imo, because the root cause doesn't stop there. We all know that they're the last of the new money clubs who were allowed to spend freely. Their prestige and honours didn't just happen organically, they're the return on the unrestricted investment that allows them to keep attracting the best players, keep winning, keep making revenue in the PSR era, and for it all to be a positive feedback loop for them. And that positive feedback loop they're in, that no one else is allowed to start up with investment, applies to more than just those two. Doesn't matter how their honours came about. It's the reality of the situation now that I'm talking about. Chelsea have been regularly winning trophies for over 20 years. If Newcastle or Aston Villa offered the same money to players, the vast majority are going to choose Chelsea or Man City. That being said, I can at least understand the likes of Chelsea or City being debated in terms of prestige. The likes of KaKa suggest there's no pull to the likes of us or Liverpool without money though. Which is utter nonsense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted Friday at 09:17 Share Posted Friday at 09:17 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted Friday at 09:35 Share Posted Friday at 09:35 Didn't know Konate was leaving on a free. Great signing for someone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenham Mag Posted Friday at 09:42 Share Posted Friday at 09:42 24 minutes ago, Ben said: Hughes playing 4D Chess. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted Friday at 09:56 Share Posted Friday at 09:56 (edited) 47 minutes ago, Froggy said: Doesn't matter how their honours came about. It's the reality of the situation now that I'm talking about. Chelsea have been regularly winning trophies for over 20 years. If Newcastle or Aston Villa offered the same money to players, the vast majority are going to choose Chelsea or Man City. That being said, I can at least understand the likes of Chelsea or City being debated in terms of prestige. The likes of KaKa suggest there's no pull to the likes of us or Liverpool without money though. Which is utter nonsense. I'd say it matters very much, you don't have the reality of the situation now without the cause of that reality. Both clubs didn't have honours or prestige to lean on to attract players, so they had to lean on regular unrestrained investment and the ambition to win to get them over the line. Villa and us don't have that and are bound by a set of rules that artificially hold us back in a way those two and more didn't have. Put it this way, if us and Villa could spend what we wanted and started winning stuff, you, me and everyone would be saying that we got there with money. The only thing we'd disagree on would be whether that makes us and Villa unique. Of course Liverpool, Man United, Man City, Chelsea, Arsenal etc have more pull than us, it's about how that pull is created and restrained that's crucial imo. Edited Friday at 09:58 by Kid Icarus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeordieDazzler Posted Friday at 10:13 Share Posted Friday at 10:13 50 minutes ago, Ben said: Selective click bait that mind A quick search and it looks like Liverpool have brought in £435m in sales over that period. Including 35m for Quansah, 25m for Doak etc. The fact they either have left an octogenarian Milner or a busted flush like Ox leave on frees is hardly terrible. Most of the others contributed massively to Klopps teams and weren’t at a massively resaleable age. Konáte and Trent obviously is a combination of either underpaying or wanting to go elsewhere. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilcline Posted Friday at 10:38 Share Posted Friday at 10:38 23 minutes ago, GeordieDazzler said: Selective click bait that mind A quick search and it looks like Liverpool have brought in £435m in sales over that period. Including 35m for Quansah, 25m for Doak etc. The fact they either have left an octogenarian Milner or a busted flush like Ox leave on frees is hardly terrible. Most of the others contributed massively to Klopps teams and weren’t at a massively resaleable age. Konáte and Trent obviously is a combination of either underpaying or wanting to go elsewhere. 25m for Doak has been my go-to "but look at how Bournemouth do it" rebuttal this season, don't see it with him at all. That said, I previously used whatever they paid for Alex Scott for those purposes but he's turned into a proper player this season, so I imagine Doak will be brilliant in a year or two aswell now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted Friday at 10:52 Share Posted Friday at 10:52 Outside of Gini, TAA, Konate - Liverpool used all of the juice out of those players. they could’ve sold some of them like Firmino 2-3 years earlier like they did Mane but that means selling players at their peak or close after. Fergie would do that out of choice for many. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy84 Posted Friday at 11:34 Share Posted Friday at 11:34 1 hour ago, Fenham Mag said: Hughes playing 4D Chess. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pablo123 Posted Friday at 12:07 Share Posted Friday at 12:07 Trippier to Wolves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki679 Posted Friday at 12:47 Share Posted Friday at 12:47 3 hours ago, Ben said: And they can still spend whatever they want with no repercussions. Great system. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted Friday at 16:10 Share Posted Friday at 16:10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miggys First Goal Posted Friday at 16:17 Share Posted Friday at 16:17 (edited) And then… HERE WE GO! For this second offer we've had a problem, we've run out of tickets for tomorrow's concert, so we improve the previous proposal with 6 for the one on Sunday. Edited Friday at 16:17 by Miggys First Goal Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vexred Posted Friday at 17:27 Share Posted Friday at 17:27 How strange Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack j Posted Friday at 17:29 Share Posted Friday at 17:29 Simeone has got the club login as well the mad bastard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teslact Posted Friday at 20:00 Share Posted Friday at 20:00 10 hours ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: Didn't know Konate was leaving on a free. Great signing for someone. Didn't realize he's still only 27. He must be asking for more than VDV money. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viana Posted Friday at 20:18 Share Posted Friday at 20:18 Carragher will be pleased. He seemed to hate Konate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hallihg Posted Saturday at 08:51 Share Posted Saturday at 08:51 This Atletico nonsense on X is largely a criticism of Fabrizio Romano and his workings for Barca. Will follow this closely after Romano and Liverpools cooperation last summer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc123 Posted Saturday at 12:21 Share Posted Saturday at 12:21 3 hours ago, hallihg said: This Atletico nonsense on X is largely a criticism of Fabrizio Romano and his workings for Barca. Atletico hates Barca. Its not the first time they have hit out at them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mase Posted Saturday at 20:01 Share Posted Saturday at 20:01 Elliot Anderson any good? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy84 Posted Saturday at 20:13 Share Posted Saturday at 20:13 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Mase said: Elliot Anderson any good? Nowhere near good enough for the money you’re paying I don’t think Edited Saturday at 20:13 by Andy84 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted Saturday at 20:13 Share Posted Saturday at 20:13 10 minutes ago, Mase said: Elliot Anderson any good? Aye, incredibly tenacious. Always looks for a forward pass and has superb accuracy with his passing, has excellent close control, is extremely good at shielding the ball. Great work off the ball. Only weaknesses are that he could be better at finishing and he’s not super quick but he’s a very very good player with a fantastic mentality Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimbo Posted Saturday at 20:37 Share Posted Saturday at 20:37 24 minutes ago, Andy84 said: Nowhere near good enough for the money you’re paying I don’t think I don’t think the price tag really matters to some clubs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mase Posted Saturday at 20:46 Share Posted Saturday at 20:46 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Kimbo said: I don’t think the price tag really matters to some clubs. When you've got £70m for Gordon setting the standard of pricing for the summer it's always going to be high prices for players. As long as it's not what the Scousers paid for Isak! Edited Saturday at 20:47 by Mase Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mase Posted Saturday at 20:48 Share Posted Saturday at 20:48 34 minutes ago, gbandit said: Aye, incredibly tenacious. Always looks for a forward pass and has superb accuracy with his passing, has excellent close control, is extremely good at shielding the ball. Great work off the ball. Only weaknesses are that he could be better at finishing and he’s not super quick but he’s a very very good player with a fantastic mentality Appreciate that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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