tmonkey Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 Rafa needs to make his mind up for me and if he has no intention of signing a new contract then he should go now rather than later I mean what is the point in him hanging on for a few months. its like staying with a woman that has no interest in you being around or doesn't want you. You don't put yourself through that you just fuck off for the sake of yourself Do you give any thought to him hoping that Ashley might sell, that's why he's staying in the hope we are sold. That's not going to happen man, I genuinely believe the club isn't for sale because if it genuinely was someone would have took it. Its all Ashleys games saying its for sale to give us idiots hope This. Ashley and his minions/paid mouthpieces keep reminding us how he's pumped money into the club to keep it running. Noone in the media seems to want to address the fundamental question this poses - why does he still own such a massive loss making organisation if it personally costing him money, especially given that someone has offered him £250m straight up cash or £350m through incentivised deals? If NUFC was really costing him more than it's making him he should have cut it loose as soon as he got a reasonable offer. By rejecting good offers it indicates NUFC is valuable to him and almost certainly making him money/richer, directly or indirectly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Away Toon Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 At the beginning Rafa seemed able to improve most of the players we had and keep them motivated, now most of them are either regressing or certainly not improving anymore. Darlow, Yedlin, Dummett, Lascelles, Joselu, Perez , Diame, Ritchie have all hit their ceiling, players like Atsu, Murphy, Manquillo, Hayden and Kenedy have so far this season just becoming worse. The only player that has actually improved substantially is Shelvey especially commitment wise. Maybe there is just nothing more he can do with this group of players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odear Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 The situation that Ashley has created has bred massive uncertainty in the players and Rafa can’t shake it. Last season it was almost as bad at times but we had this Amanda Stavely shaped carrot being dangled from very early on in the season. It had everyone on here occupied, I’m sure Rafa was excited about new possibilities, the staff at the club certainly were. But now here we are and the realisation is that Mike Ashley is going nowhere. The hope has been trampled on. The players aren’t thick.. they’ll have been aware of this too.. they’re definitely aware that Rafa will no longer be at the club after this season and that they could also be somewhere else. If you’re spending a portion of the day speaking to your agent about options, would it be hard to keep your mind on the job at hand? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 The utter nonsense from Stephen Warnock that Rafa has to look at himself and his style of play, rather than lack of investment. Almost ignoring the fact that shit players can’t play good football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 Rafa doesn't deserve any criticism this season, no matter what. Edit: for our match performance and results only. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crumpy Gunt Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 Rafa doesn't deserve any criticism this season, no matter what. Edit: for our match performance and results only. I despair. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleBingo Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 Rafa doesn't deserve any criticism this season, no matter what. Edit: for our match performance and results only. I despair. Funnily enough, that's what I feel everytime you post anything. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleBingo Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 Rafa needs to make his mind up for me and if he has no intention of signing a new contract then he should go now rather than later I mean what is the point in him hanging on for a few months. its like staying with a woman that has no interest in you being around or doesn't want you. You don't put yourself through that you just fuck off for the sake of yourself Do you give any thought to him hoping that Ashley might sell, that's why he's staying in the hope we are sold. That's not going to happen man, I genuinely believe the club isn't for sale because if it genuinely was someone would have took it. Its all Ashleys games saying its for sale to give us idiots hope This. Ashley and his minions/paid mouthpieces keep reminding us how he's pumped money into the club to keep it running. Noone in the media seems to want to address the fundamental question this poses - why does he still own such a massive loss making organisation if it personally costing him money, especially given that someone has offered him £250m straight up cash or £350m through incentivised deals? If NUFC was really costing him more than it's making him he should have cut it loose as soon as he got a reasonable offer. By rejecting good offers it indicates NUFC is valuable to him and almost certainly making him money/richer, directly or indirectly. Or how has the debt doubled under Ashley, when we've spent nowt on players (£30m net in 11 years) and fuck all on the facilities and infrastructure. Quite simply, where has the money gone? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 ATM it doesn’t sit well with me that he’s calling out the club to be ambitious but yet shows none himself on the pitch. It’s obviously now trickling in to the players and the fans, whether they agree with him or against. He needs to push us forward, you can’t do that with constant negativity, even if the situation has dealt you a shit hand, make the most of it. Feel like we’re a beaten club, top to bottom, even the fans aren’t allowed to hope for better , we’ve got to know our place and just survive. Only he can break this imo, hopefully when the fixtures ease off this happens, but last night was telling, once you are in a negative rut it’s hard to get out of. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crumpy Gunt Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 Rafa doesn't deserve any criticism this season, no matter what. Edit: for our match performance and results only. I despair. Funnily enough, that's what I feel everytime you post anything. My heart bleeds.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colos Short and Curlies Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 ATM it doesn’t sit well with me that he’s calling out the club to be ambitious but yet shows none himself on the pitch. It’s obviously now trickling in to the players and the fans, whether they agree with him or against. He needs to push us forward, you can’t do that with constant negativity, even if the situation has dealt you a shit hand, make the most of it. Feel like we’re a beaten club, top to bottom, even the fans aren’t allowed to hope for better , we’ve got to know our place and just survive. Only he can break this imo, hopefully when the fixtures ease off this happens, but last night was telling, once you are in a negative rut it’s hard to get out of. Its your middle sentence that nails it. The message from the very top that defines the culture of the club is that we are driftwood and there is no desire to do anything other than just survive in the Premier League or when that fails get back up first attempt. In any business if that is drilled into you - and its visible from the lack of care in the ground, the training facilities, the outsourcing of many departments compounded by the public attacks on anyone showing any form of wanting to do better for the club - no manager can beat the culture. The real worry is that Rafa is keeping a semblance of professionalism in the playing staff, remove him and watch it all fall apart Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleBingo Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 ATM it doesn’t sit well with me that he’s calling out the club to be ambitious but yet shows none himself on the pitch. It’s obviously now trickling in to the players and the fans, whether they agree with him or against. He needs to push us forward, you can’t do that with constant negativity, even if the situation has dealt you a shit hand, make the most of it. Feel like we’re a beaten club, top to bottom, even the fans aren’t allowed to hope for better , we’ve got to know our place and just survive. Only he can break this imo, hopefully when the fixtures ease off this happens, but last night was telling, once you are in a negative rut it’s hard to get out of. Its your middle sentence that nails it. The message from the very top that defines the culture of the club is that we are driftwood and there is no desire to do anything other than just survive in the Premier League or when that fails get back up first attempt. In any business if that is drilled into you - and its visible from the lack of care in the ground, the training facilities, the outsourcing of many departments compounded by the public attacks on anyone showing any form of wanting to do better for the club - no manager can beat the culture. The real worry is that Rafa is keeping a semblance of professionalism in the playing staff, remove him and watch it all fall apart Personally, I'm hoping they sack him or he walks, then the owner and the Rafa detractors can get the manager they deserve......and everything that entails. Fuck them. He certainly deserves better than this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 He needs to work on getting everyone back in line and calm. He was very good at points of last season of getting the no panic message across, this certainly feels like that time as mongs start to shit the bed a few games into the season, 'negative' press stories start seeping out, new players start getting labelled as shite before they have time to bed in etc. Last night was shite and annoying but what we've seen for nigh on the last 10 years in domestic cups, apart from Rafa getting to the quarters(?). Just need to get expectations set on the playing side so the correct focus can go back to Ashley and keeping that pressure up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 ATM it doesn’t sit well with me that he’s calling out the club to be ambitious but yet shows none himself on the pitch. It’s obviously now trickling in to the players and the fans, whether they agree with him or against. He needs to push us forward, you can’t do that with constant negativity, even if the situation has dealt you a shit hand, make the most of it. Feel like we’re a beaten club, top to bottom, even the fans aren’t allowed to hope for better , we’ve got to know our place and just survive. Only he can break this imo, hopefully when the fixtures ease off this happens, but last night was telling, once you are in a negative rut it’s hard to get out of. Its your middle sentence that nails it. The message from the very top that defines the culture of the club is that we are driftwood and there is no desire to do anything other than just survive in the Premier League or when that fails get back up first attempt. In any business if that is drilled into you - and its visible from the lack of care in the ground, the training facilities, the outsourcing of many departments compounded by the public attacks on anyone showing any form of wanting to do better for the club - no manager can beat the culture. The real worry is that Rafa is keeping a semblance of professionalism in the playing staff, remove him and watch it all fall apart Personally, I'm hoping they sack him or he walks, then the owner and the Rafa detractors can get the manager they deserve......and everything that entails. Fuck them. He certainly deserves better than this. Agree with this Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ElCid Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 He needs to work on getting everyone back in line and calm. He was very good at points of last season of getting the no panic message across, this certainly feels like that time as mongs start to shit the bed a few games into the season, 'negative' press stories start seeping out, new players start getting labelled as shite before they have time to bed in etc. Last night was shite and annoying but what we've seen for nigh on the last 10 years in domestic cups, apart from Rafa getting to the quarters(?). Just need to get expectations set on the playing side so the correct focus can go back to Ashley and keeping that pressure up Unfortunately though there is hardly any pressure really being put on. We have 2-3000 actively trying to do something with the other 46000 sitting on their backsides doing sweet fuck all Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 Loads of Crumpy posts, what a surprise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 Loads of Crumpy posts, what a surprise. Don't think I've ever seen him praise Rafa once Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 Oxygen thief. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2018/aug/29/rafael-benitez-newcastle-exposed-aleksandar-mitrovic-fulham Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Geordie Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 This knives are out for Rafa among a section of the fanbase and media. This isn't going to end well. Ashley has fucked over the manager big time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToonArmy1892 Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 I despair i really do, Ashley is f***ing winning again. Someone on another NUFC forum, "Rafa can f*** off". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackyboy Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 The quality of premier league teams has improved dramatically over the last 10 years , hence clubs spending a lot of money just to keep pace. We haven't done that and are just being cut adrift with the gap growing forever wider Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 Is Shelvey caught up in this Lascelles/Ritchie/Rafa fall out or is he genuinely injured? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubestationatmidnight Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 ATM it doesn’t sit well with me that he’s calling out the club to be ambitious but yet shows none himself on the pitch. It’s obviously now trickling in to the players and the fans, whether they agree with him or against. He needs to push us forward, you can’t do that with constant negativity, even if the situation has dealt you a shit hand, make the most of it. Feel like we’re a beaten club, top to bottom, even the fans aren’t allowed to hope for better , we’ve got to know our place and just survive. Only he can break this imo, hopefully when the fixtures ease off this happens, but last night was telling, once you are in a negative rut it’s hard to get out of. Exactly. Obviously Ashley is 95% to blame for all of this but Rafa was bleating on about having to field a weak team in the cups and it's gonna be a long hard season etc etc. No reason not to play the best 11 last night and get through. I thought Oxford was a one off but it has happened twice since then as well. Thing is there is nothing to break. It's done, we are finished. There is zero hope. The only thing that should be happening and could make a difference is mass protests but there is zero appetite for it as most our fans don't get it and aren't that fussed about Ashley. They are just as bad as him for me for allowing it. 2pm every matchday there should be a March of thousands protesting it should go from Rosie's bar and stretch right back past the gate and march all the way up under the Milburn stand. Easy to arrange and people should be chomping at the bit for it. No chance of it happening with our fans though. I seen one mug last night interviewed wearing a fucking wonga top on about the match and zero mention of Ashley. There are another 40,000 like him and that's why Ashely gets away with it year after year. It's that simple Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raconteur Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 ATM it doesn’t sit well with me that he’s calling out the club to be ambitious but yet shows none himself on the pitch. It’s obviously now trickling in to the players and the fans, whether they agree with him or against. He needs to push us forward, you can’t do that with constant negativity, even if the situation has dealt you a shit hand, make the most of it. Feel like we’re a beaten club, top to bottom, even the fans aren’t allowed to hope for better , we’ve got to know our place and just survive. Only he can break this imo, hopefully when the fixtures ease off this happens, but last night was telling, once you are in a negative rut it’s hard to get out of. Exactly. Obviously Ashley is 95% to blame for all of this but Rafa was bleating on about having to filed a weak Telamon the cups and it's gonna be a long hard season etc etc. No reason not to play the best 11 last night and get through. I thought oxford was anone off but it has happened twice since then as well You really are the most tedious cunt on the internet, aren’t you? How many times do you have to repeat the same lines as articles of faith that are in fact contestable or even fallacious? “No reason not to play our best XI” is a lie you have repeated a dozen times or more. “Rafa is doing harm by seeing out his contract” is so many different kinds of bullshit it makes me puke. So, like, every casual guest on NO knows how you feel. Thanks for sharing. Can you give it a fucking rest now? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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