buzz Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 8 minutes ago, Stottie said: Imagine him coming in and upsetting the Trippier and Howe love-in. Or ASM who nearly won us the match, but only after committing our biggest lapse of the first half, losing it on the halfway line. I think the team is going in the right direction, but there is just so much ground to make up. After two months of Howe, I don't think our problem is lack of organization or effort. It is poor, error-prone footballers and an ingrained losing mentality, a lingering smell from when defeats had positives and being in the bottom three was "ticking over". If Rafa suffered from a lack of fit strikers at Everton, well guess what he'd walk into here. If Simeone loved Trippier then I'm sure Rafa would. In terms of ASM, as exciting as he is going forward he is undeniably a massive problem in every other area. If Rafa returned and got rid of him I wouldn't be too upset tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-421 Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 I voted for DoF or an advisory role, but in hindsight, I think if he came in over Howe, given his history, there'd always be that perceived threat to him (Howe), and people/media saying Rafa was just waiting to step back into the managers seat. Probably best to leave the past where it is, and move on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 13 minutes ago, Yorkie said: Agree to disagree on that one. I'd have him back, but only to watch him in the dugout putting them specs in his pocket again. I'm just flapping like, tbh. I just want to feel like there's someone at the club who knows what to do Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 It is never going to happen unless PIF suddenly pull rank as Amanda would have to admit she got the appointment wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloGeordio Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 1 minute ago, duo said: It is never going to happen unless PIF suddenly pull rank as Amanda would have to admit she got the appointment wrong. Not a mistake, as her No1 choice wasn’t available at the time ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RealGoneKid Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 Get Rafa back asap . Send this bloke round to tell Howe where to go ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillingtonMag Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 Don't want him back even if it doesn't work out with Howe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 20 minutes ago, Thomson Mouse said: Again, this is embarrassing. Loved Rafa wanted him for the job initially but we get behind Howe and PIF, even if that means we go down More embarrassing to blindly tie your colours to HMS Bournemouth and Bust and salute him as we go down without a whimper. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wandy Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 If Howe doesn't now start picking up wins in the next 6 weeks then Benitez will be here before the end of February. Bookmark this. Some people might think that relegation this season will be a mere inconvenient setback but, believe me, the Saudis wont see it that way. If we are not showing any sign of surviving within the next month then Howe will be gone and Benitez will be back. As crazy as it sounds, I think Howe is fighting for his job already. A look around the various NUFC forums over the last 24 hours has shown an incredible amount of vitriol directed at him and the shadow of Benitez has just made his job that bit harder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menace Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 It'll be interesting to see how loyal the consortium really are as Rafa was their first choice if you believe the reports. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OoOGazOoO Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 I'm completely torn to be fair. I think it is far too soon to remove Howe, but on one hand, we are heading in a VERY bad direction, at a fast pace, and results since he came in, have been awful. Rafa just got the club, he just got it, even when he had to work under Mike Ashley. Yesterday, when I said to myself, if we get rid of Howe, I struggled to see who we could possibly get to come in even if Howe were to leave. Well, given what has happened with Rafa and Everton today, this changes. There aren't many opportunities when class acts like Rafa become available. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 12 minutes ago, Hanshithispantz said: I'm just flapping like, tbh. I just want to feel like there's someone at the club who knows what to do Exactly where I am at. I know we shouldn't bring Rafa back but at the same time, I want to shine a Batman-esque Rafa sign in the sky to ask for help. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weezertron Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 I’d be tempted if only because Rafa understands that Shelvey is done. I like Howe but probably mostly because he’s not an utter embarrassment like Bruce. He’s respectable and polite but the football is worrying. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 28 minutes ago, Thomson Mouse said: Again, this is embarrassing. Loved Rafa wanted him for the job initially but we get behind Howe and PIF, even if that means we go down You think everything is embarrassing that you don't agree with tbf. Although I do agree with the view at this time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 8 minutes ago, Pilko said: More embarrassing to blindly tie your colours to HMS Bournemouth and Bust and salute him as we go down without a whimper. This assumes that relegation is the be-all and end-all, which it’s not. And I don’t think our new owners see it that way either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peder75 Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 Would love Rafa in a DoF position. He knows the club, he knows what needs to improve within it. Might even be good for Rafa with a new role after Everton. We know he's a great manager, but some time off with a DoF position is maybe something that would benefit him too. I don't think Howe been here long enough for us to say if it will work out or not. It can take a manager up to a year to get everyone into playing as he wants, get the right players, and to make it click. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronson333 Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 How much time do we give Howe? He’s just lost to Cambridge at home and failed to beat relegation rival Watford. We are in a middle of a relegation battle, yet he doesn’t seem to recognise our midfield is not premiership quality. I’ll continue to support the team but he needs to do better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 13 minutes ago, Pilko said: More embarrassing to blindly tie your colours to HMS Bournemouth and Bust and salute him as we go down without a whimper. I think you're very ott re Howe but that was impressively poetic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomson Mouse Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 1 minute ago, neesy111 said: You think everything is embarrassing that you don't agree with tbf. Although I do agree with the view at this time. No I don’t but this is. WTF does anyone expect to happen if we get Rafa in? For years we’ve been portrayed as deluded and high expectations in the media. Now we’re literally the richest club in the world and also a hollowed out shell, people are having a massive go at the owners for this and while they’re not above criticism I’m happy to get behind them and if we go down it puts us back a year, that’s all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomson Mouse Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 Just now, Yorkie said: I think you're very ott re Howe but that was impressively poetic. It was and he is Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 I wouldn't rule out wanting Rafa back, but I'd have to turn on Howe first, which is unlikely even if we get relegated. I worry that Rafa, like Mourinho, is a busted flush. Whatever aura and mystic these men held has gone. It happens to almost every manager. It happened to Clough, Wenger and it will happen to Klopp and Pep, its the circle of life. We need our own philosophy, vision and a manager on their way up in the game. I'd like to see Staveley getting some advice off Rafa mind. He has tonnes to offer in the short term about how to build a club but he and Howes footballing philosophies are so far apart he wouldn't work as a DOF. Once again, the stars of NUFC and Rafa Benitez just aren't aligned. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thumbheed Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 (edited) Rafa's managed Everton for 9 more games than Howe has Newcastle. What have people seen in those 9 games - or the 10 that's Howe's managed - that makes them think that Howe is emphatically the better choice than Rafa? As for "we shouldn't go back", well why not? I've not heard a single decent reason that doesn't border on just plain superstition. Edited January 16, 2022 by Thumbheed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 42 minutes ago, Thomson Mouse said: Again, this is embarrassing. Loved Rafa wanted him for the job initially but we get behind Howe and PIF, even if that means we go down More embarrassing than getting relegated? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 3 minutes ago, Thomson Mouse said: No I don’t but this is. WTF does anyone expect to happen if we get Rafa in? For years we’ve been portrayed as deluded and high expectations in the media. Now we’re literally the richest club in the world and also a hollowed out shell, people are having a massive go at the owners for this and while they’re not above criticism I’m happy to get behind them and if we go down it puts us back a year, that’s all. It's reactionary bullshit, I think some people live in a dream world. I backed Rafa 100% when he was here, but the football was not good to watch, but he was a good man and deserved to be given respect. Same goes for Howe though. He was brought in yesterday, and you only have to look at how shit the rest of the team look compared to Trippier to see what he's up against. I have my doubts as well, but I refuse to judge him on someone else's players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomson Mouse Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 Just now, Dr Venkman said: More embarrassing than getting relegated? Not sure what your point is Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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