Paullow Posted February 12, 2022 Share Posted February 12, 2022 Crazy to think they ended 2021 with 4 wins and a draw from their final 5 matches, so 13 points from 15, and a 3-0 win over Donny on Dec 27th, and 5-0 over Sheff Wed on the 30th, but since the turn of the year, they've just won 1 of their first 8 league matches, or 6 points, in League One. I'm pleased Wigan turned their match around today, as it was looking like it could have been like 2 points from 4 matches for them, with a backlog of matches to catch up on, as well as still being in the pizza cup. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dancing Brave Posted February 12, 2022 Share Posted February 12, 2022 41 minutes ago, Wandy said: The curse of Prince Andrew. https://www.readytogo.net/smb/threads/could-this-be-the-curse-on-the-club.1572350/#post-35555354 Makes a change from stuff like the North Sea I suppose. "At least Prince Andrew would have stopped any of our young talent leaving." FFS Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dancing Brave Posted February 12, 2022 Share Posted February 12, 2022 "They were our rivals because they were close by, and before, it was even a friendly rivalry. That changed in 70s after one of the Mags showed their true gravy colours by trying to attack us and one of them even killed one of ours." What is this all about ? https://www.readytogo.net/smb/threads/who-are-our-new-rivals.1572356/page-2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 Mad they’ve spent more time in the lower leagues than the Boro who are historically absolutely nowt and literally ceased to exist. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izakaya Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 3 hours ago, Dancing Brave said: "They were our rivals because they were close by, and before, it was even a friendly rivalry. That changed in 70s after one of the Mags showed their true gravy colours by trying to attack us and one of them even killed one of ours." What is this all about ? https://www.readytogo.net/smb/threads/who-are-our-new-rivals.1572356/page-2 Whatever it is, you can guarantee it didn't actually happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 Sunderland have been horrifically managed over the past 10 to 15 years but their fans have to accept their part in this, I remember Niall Quinn pleading with them to attend games to generate more money instead of watching the match in the pub on illegal streams, they checked out last time they were in the Premier league and now say they deserve to be back because of their history. They think small time and anyone with any ambition is gone at the sight if the first offer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 Just a small town club Livin' in a lowly world They took the metty train goin' neewhere Just a shittin boy Born and raised in South Tyneside They took the metty train goin' neewhere A minger in a smokey room The smell of shite and cheap perfume For a while they can have a fight It goes on and on, and on, and on Don't stop believin' League one is your ceilin' Streetlight, peodo Don't stop, believin' Hold on Streetlights, peodo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Pardew Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 This is art. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoot Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 (edited) 9 hours ago, Dancing Brave said: "They were our rivals because they were close by, and before, it was even a friendly rivalry. That changed in 70s after one of the Mags showed their true gravy colours by trying to attack us and one of them even killed one of ours." What is this all about ? https://www.readytogo.net/smb/threads/who-are-our-new-rivals.1572356/page-2 As has been said, it probably never happened. Some Newcastle fan probably told a mackem to bugger off 1 day. Add a splash of mackem bullshit and some mackematics and the story will have changed over the years to someone being killed. Edited February 13, 2022 by Scoot Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
christ Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 10 hours ago, Dancing Brave said: "They were our rivals because they were close by, and before, it was even a friendly rivalry. That changed in 70s after one of the Mags showed their true gravy colours by trying to attack us and one of them even killed one of ours." What is this all about ? https://www.readytogo.net/smb/threads/who-are-our-new-rivals.1572356/page-2 Almost certainly horse shit. They excel in myth making. The stakes of absolutely everything they’ve ever been involved in have to be raised to ridiculous levels to justify their histrionics. It’s the reason they’re cock-in-hand at any sort of minor crowd trouble. It can’t just be some over excited kids being dickheads - the type of thing you see at most matches - it has to be some near existential threat they manage to fight off. They’ve watched one too many Nick Love films. They’re not on nodding terms with reality. If you want to break their brains just point out that NUFC and SAFC fans are the same - from the same places, went to the same schools, work the same jobs, subject to the same socio-economic forces. They end up one step away from phrenology trying to justify they’re utterly deranged positions. It’s class. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatwax Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 There was a poster on here who wrote their dissertation on the the historical rivalry between Newcastle and Sunderland and I'm pretty sure the coal and ship industry were massive factors. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izakaya Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 1 minute ago, Fatwax said: There was a poster on here who wrote their dissertation on the the historical rivalry between Newcastle and Sunderland and I'm pretty sure the coal and ship industry were massive factors. Sure it started with the Jacobites, Oliver Cromwell and coal shipping rights in the 1600s. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Scoot said: As has been said, it probably never happened. Some Newcastle fan probably told a mackem to bugger off 1 day. Add a splash of mackem bullshit and some mackematics and the story will have changed over the years to someone being killed. How could we possibly have killed a mackem when every hooligan tale they recant over there has a lone mackem coming out on top against a horde of Newcastle fans? Edited February 13, 2022 by Sima Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatwax Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 Oh yes quite possibly. My knowledge is minimal at best, but its an interesting topic for sure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1964 Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 1 minute ago, Sima said: How could we possibly have killed a mackem when every hooligan tale they recant over there has a line mackem coming out on top against a horde of Newcastle fans? They're getting real life mixed up with Call of Duty, easily done when the pinnacle of your existence when you reach the next level before your mum shouts you down for tea, followed by a few pints celebrating your 50th Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Linton Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 35 minutes ago, Sima said: How could we possibly have killed a mackem when every hooligan tale they recant over there has a line mackem coming out on top against a horde of Newcastle fans? They seem to love talking about a recent game where they "took the Strawberry". Oddly there's nothing to suggest it ever happened. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillingtonMag Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 38 minutes ago, Izakaya said: Sure it started with the Jacobites, Oliver Cromwell and coal shipping rights in the 1600s. We were on opposing sides and had historical disagreements for sure but something must have changed in recent history like 50 years or so. I've heard loads of story's of older generations going to Newcastle home games one week and then Sunderland home the following week and a rivalry not really existing then. So something definitely changed I'm just not sure when I'm thinking maybe 70s or 80s? Maybe some of the older posters know more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 It was a friendly rivalry up until the late 60s, early 80s. I know my grandad and his mates would watch them at home when we were away and vice versa, I think hooliganism played a massive part. Although the historic Tyneside-Wearside rivalry dates back before the two clubs were formed, but it was Misty economic and about the ports and industry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_R Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 However true it might be, I don't think I've ever sat thinking about the Jacobites, the coal industry or shipbuilding when thinking about my dislike of Sunderland. They're just a bunch of scruffy, mouthy oiks from down the road who occasionally need putting back in their place. Let's not overcomplicate things. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWN Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 6 minutes ago, WillingtonMag said: We were on opposing sides and had historical disagreements for sure but something must have changed in recent history like 50 years or so. I've heard loads of story's of older generations going to Newcastle home games one week and then Sunderland home the following week and a rivalry not really existing then. So something definitely changed I'm just not sure when I'm thinking maybe 70s or 80s? Maybe some of the older posters know more. My first memories of these was 1981 , and we hated each other then , before that I can't say . I remember walking down a road with a windmill to Roker , lots of battling near the ground , not once in my 4 visits to Roker did I ever go in the away end , not because of hooliganism just I couldn't get a ticket and my dodgy mates all went for a fight so got tickets in their end . I was a wimp. I see Mackems all as RTG whoppers, I don't work with them or mix with any of them . Weird bunch . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1964 Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 In 73 there were a lot of people cheering for them in Newcastle, it was much more of a region vibe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 There was plenty trouble in the late 60’s I believe and from there on in. I wanted Sunderland to win in ‘73, all changed for me when the following year they gloated when we got smashed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paullow Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 This time 15 days ago not many Sunderland fans would have wanted Rotherham to beat Sheff Wed a couple of weeks later, but that's where they seem to be at on RTG in the match thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bintang Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 No idea how the intense side of the rivalry began. As other posters have said my Grandad used to watch us one week at home and them the next week. Even up to the time he passed away in 2006 he said he supported all north east teams. When I started going to the matches properly with mates rather than my old man away fans were banned cos of trouble at the matches so something obviously had changed drastically in those 20 or 30 odd years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 Just throwing this out there but could it have anything to do with the development in Newcastle and the lack of it in Sunderland? A lot of their jealousy is down to that just as much as football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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