Sean Longstaff

[Conjo]

4 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

Bit lenient to call him a 6th choice CM when he was starting every game a few weeks ago

 

Yeah, and now he isn't. With Willock in most cases coming on before him too. Hopefully Miley jumped ahead of him today too.

[RobsonsWonderland]

Another way to think of it is would you be happy if we spent 15 to 20 million signing either him or Miggy for our squad now?

 

Personally not and I know new players would be judged a lot harder 

[80]

Any way you cut it, at the end of the day it's another start for Longstaff and another win for the Toon.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Conjo]

Just now, RobsonsWonderland said:

Another way to think of it is would you be happy if we spent 15 to 20 million signing either him or Miggy for our squad now?

 

Personally not and I know new players would be judged a lot harder 

 

If we were in a position to spend 15 to 20 million on a 5th/6th choice CM I imagine I'd be ecstatic about how things were going regardless of who it was.

 

I beg to differ on the last statement. I think Longstaff is judged harsher than any new signing would be, which is a common theme for most local squad players with limited ability we've seen through the last ~30 years.

[Lotus]

He wasn’t as awful as some are saying but he didn’t influence the game much in any which way. Was surprised to his occasional poor touch and he seemed slow on the ball again. I would say he neither added or took away from us today, given that I would’ve liked to have seen a youngster try out but there you go.

We will face teams this season where SL’s willingness to run will help us out. 
As for next year, depends on where we’re at.

[andycap]

He's fucking shite 

Sorry was doing a heron impression. 😂 

[Heron]

Just now, Conjo said:

 

If we were in a position to spend 15 to 20 million on a 5th/6th choice CM I imagine I'd be ecstatic about how things were going regardless of who it was.

 

I beg to differ on the last statement. I think Longstaff is judged harsher than any new signing would be, which is a common theme for most local squad players with limited ability we've seen through the last ~30 years.

Agreed. Lonfstaff isn't necessarily 5th choice either. He offers different characteristics to both Miley and Willock as our current second string. I reckon Howe looks at them in that regard too.

 

Miley appears to be more akin to Bruno, then the other 4 are all more physically similar with their own unique capabilities.

 

Undoubtedly though, Joelinton and Tonali are our key, consistent chappies.

[Heron]

1 minute ago, andycap said:

He's fucking shite 

Sorry was doing a heron impression. 😂 

Hoo. Behave

[Displayname]

5 minutes ago, RobsonsWonderland said:

Another way to think of it is would you be happy if we spent 15 to 20 million signing either him or Miggy for our squad now?

 

Personally not and I know new players would be judged a lot harder 

Cant see us getting 15-20m for either. Its been quite some time since they had a longer period of being in good form and its not like they have the future ahead of them. For that price they would expected to be ready to put in good displays from the getgo.

[TheBrownBottle]

30 minutes ago, RobsonsWonderland said:

Another way to think of it is would you be happy if we spent 15 to 20 million signing either him or Miggy for our squad now?

 

Personally not and I know new players would be judged a lot harder 

Longstaff is ‘PSR-free’ on our books at present; replacing him with a player of similar standard for those sort of fees would reduce our PSR headroom. 

[Heron]

Sean Longstaff is at least a 20m midfielder for me. In the modern age. Think people saying he isn't are doing him a disservice. You cannot replace him for that.

 

 

Edited Sunday at 23:33 by Heron

[Abacus]

When we finished 4th he was excellent. But it also seemed that he needed to play his way into games since he just kept going.

 

Whether that was down to minutes or confidence I'm not sure - but he won't be getting those minutes here and so can't just be a squad option.

 

Maybe the best thing for him is to go in that case.

[alexf]

Always felt in these sort of cup games against lower league opposition he looks really poor, in a sense that it looks like his level. 

 

But then surround him with good players and against better opposition and he looks serviceable.  

 

In contrast, you put on people like Gordon, Bruno and Hall and you could see they were levels above the opponent. 

[80]

10 minutes ago, alexf said:

Always felt in these sort of cup games against lower league opposition he looks really poor, in a sense that it looks like his level. 

 

But then surround him with good players and against better opposition and he looks serviceable.  

 

In contrast, you put on people like Gordon, Bruno and Hall and you could see they were levels above the opponent. 

Mentality.

[nufcjb]

Has he been sold yet?

[Groundhog63]

7 hours ago, Lotus said:

He wasn’t as awful as some are saying but he didn’t influence the game much in any which way. Was surprised to his occasional poor touch and he seemed slow on the ball again. I would say he neither added or took away from us today, given that I would’ve liked to have seen a youngster try out but there you go.

We will face teams this season where SL’s willingness to run will help us out. 
As for next year, depends on where we’re at.

Agree with this. Slightly disagree with the suggestion another youngster could've been given a run out, tho. Having one, in Miley, was sufficientl. 

Someone, last night, said Longstaff "looked like he didn't want to be there" which, of course, was utter fucking garbage. The lad always puts himself about and did yesterday. He may even have been told to do the runs that made space for Miley? Who knows? 

He's not shit and can do a job. I will say, however, that it's plain to see that there are different levels in the squad now more than ever. I think the transition to shorten the gaps will ramp up in the summer. 

[Sibierski]

I would want to keep Longstaff because it’s good to have your depth that HG and attachment. But Longstaff is regularly showing his limitations, has a last window of value and much needed cash to reinvest and lastly, Miley is replacing him for point one. 

 

Rather we parted our ways with the memories good, then it ending like how it is with Almiron for example, which will happen if Longstaff isn’t sold in summer IMO.
 

Fly on the wall, I’d love to know if we even considered Longstaff in the PSR deal last summer? Or said no, you can have Anderson? 

[christ]

The thing that surprised me yesterday was how often he was caught on his heels and really stretching to get the ball whenever it was played into him. It did look like a player who is a half step behind those around him and wasn’t expecting it. 
 

I think he’s generally better than people give him credit for. He does a very unflashy job and carries a lot of water for those around him. However, he’s going to get fewer and fewer opportunities. If he’s happy to hang around on the fringes of the squad I’m sure Howe will cling onto him as he clearly rates him.

[Lush Vlad]

I just don’t feel confident at all in him as a back up now. With the change to our midfield setup. Who does he come in for because of injury or rotation? 

 

I think when he has had a run in the team. He has been fine for the most part. He had a bit of a run of games under Rafa from memory and then Bruce took him out the side? Think he took a while to regain his form. He was then an important player for Howe with that high pressing style and the 4th placed season. 
 

Now we seem to be trying to retain possession a bit better and the number 6 role has changed. I don’t see where he fits and I don’t think getting cameos or the odd start here and there suit him at all. He needs to be playing regularly and he isn’t going to get that here. 

[Andy]

To me, he's too slow on the ball and wildly inconsistent with his touch, and yesterday really emphasised that against poor opposition. He has to set himself before playing a pass, when you contrast that to our better players who move the ball quickly, even a kid like Miley, the difference is stark. 

 

It's all well and good saying "we've looked good with him in the team" or "we've missed him when he was out in the past", but the same could be said of Miggy in 2022/23. It doesn't mean that they're forever immune from criticism or that they'll always be good enough to be involved in the team.  

 

He should currently be our 6th choice midfielder IMO. 

[kingxlnc]

In hindsight should’ve left way before Anderson 

[Ben]

8 minutes ago, Andy said:

To me, he's too slow on the ball and wildly inconsistent with his touch, and yesterday really emphasised that against poor opposition. He has to set himself before playing a pass, when you contrast that to our better players who move the ball quickly, even a kid like Miley, the difference is stark. 

 

It's all well and good saying "we've looked good with him in the team" or "we've missed him when he was out in the past", but the same could be said of Miggy in 2022/23. It doesn't mean that they're forever immune from criticism or that they'll always be good enough to be involved in the team.  

 

He should currently be our 6th choice midfielder IMO. 

 

TBF I think he is, I'd still keep him as a squad player though 

[PauloGeordio]

7 minutes ago, kingxlnc said:

In hindsight should’ve left way before Anderson 

Possibly instead of.

[Holloway]

We're improving, and there's a time for players to move on, good lads who have served us very well in the not too distant past. They hardly helped their cause for a decent move with that performance level yesterday

[KaKa]

1 hour ago, Lush Vlad said:

I just don’t feel confident at all in him as a back up now. With the change to our midfield setup. Who does he come in for because of injury or rotation? 

 

I think when he has had a run in the team. He has been fine for the most part. He had a bit of a run of games under Rafa from memory and then Bruce took him out the side? Think he took a while to regain his form. He was then an important player for Howe with that high pressing style and the 4th placed season. 
 

Now we seem to be trying to retain possession a bit better and the number 6 role has changed. I don’t see where he fits and I don’t think getting cameos or the odd start here and there suit him at all. He needs to be playing regularly and he isn’t going to get that here. 

 

I think he's fine coming in to see out games against tired opposition.

 

Also think he can start the odd game provided he's alongside a good number of our other better players.

 

Yesterday, he was in a position where he had to take the initiative and make things happen, in a much weaker team, and it was really really poor.

 

He's at his best just keeping it simple and letting others do the more incisive stuff.