Miguel Almirón (now playing for Atlanta United)

[Sibierski]

Nice ending for him. Back where he’s loved, area he likes and hopefully playing at the World Cup there in 18 months time.

 

It’s clear with his minutes he’s not needed and unless Murphy gets injured or a proper opportunistic buy becomes available, don’t think we sign a RW.

 

Would like to think a RW on loan with option we’d consider. Gives Howe time to assess training and if it’s worthwhile making permanent. Free hit a deal like that since Murphy has rightly made RW his own presently. 

[Nucasol]

Just now, ponsaelius said:

I'm not a financial expert but given he's been here well beyond his original contract terms has his original fee been fully amortised? And this fee would effectively be all profit?

 

 

 

Nope. Every time you extend your contract, you just amortise it over a longer period - lower numbers but over the time of the extension.

[TBG]

"(Hope)" can tell which players the clique don't like. 

 

Sets a bad precedent going forward. 

[christ]

A limited player who through a combination of decent man management and outrageous luck managed a grand total of three months of genuinely good form during his entire time here.

 

No personal animosity towards the lad, but £10m is daylight robbery.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

6 minutes ago, christ said:

A limited player who through a combination of decent man management and outrageous luck managed a grand total of three months of genuinely good form during his entire time here.

 

No personal animosity towards the lad, but £10m is daylight robbery.

On the other hand, he was signed to play in quite a dangerous front 3 under Rafa with Perez and Rondon, and he ended up grinding most of his time here under dire managers at a disaster football club. 

[Kid Icarus]

16 minutes ago, Stifler said:

Yeah but MiguEllie Almirón Stiflers fiancee’s last name Stiflers last name is a whingy cat.

 

 

 

 

You didn't opt for any combo of Meowguel Almeowron? 

[Tiresias]

Had one wonderful sparkling run where he scored beautiful goals for fun, away from that incredible work ethic on the pitch, fantastic attitude, hope he tears it up back in the MLS. 

[Stifler]

2 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

 

You didn't opt for any combo of Meowguel Almeowron? 

My lass was determined to call her Ellie.

She’s our 2nd cat and I didn’t want a house full of cats, so the compromise was we got one, but it had to be black and white, named after Newcastle related, and a female.

 

 

Edited January 16 by Stifler

[SteV]

9 minutes ago, Nucasol said:

Nope. Every time you extend your contract, you just amortise it over a longer period - lower numbers but over the time of the extension.

So if you sign someone for £20m on 5 year deal, amortise at £4m per year, for the first four years, before they sign a new 4 year contract, you’d have amortised £18m of the original £20m, if you sold with two years remaining?

[Pixelphish]

Goodbye, sweet prince.

[Nucasol]

1 minute ago, SteV said:

So if you sign someone for £20m on 5 year deal, amortise at £4m per year, for the first four years, before they sign a new 4 year contract, you’d have amortised £18m of the original £20m, if you sold with two years remaining?

Exactly - remaining amortisation spread over remaining years.
 

So for Lascelles as an example, we signed him for £5m across 5 years - £1m per year amortisation. At the end of year 3 he renewed for two more years on top of his remaining 2 years - so £5m minus £3m = £2m across 4 years = £500k pa amortisation.
 

Ahead of the last year of his deal, we’d amortised for 3 years (£1.5m) and extended him for a year on top of the one year remaining. So £500k left amortised over 2 more years = £250k each year.
 

Now we’ve reached the last year of his deal and extended year by year, we might trigger one year this summer. However by this point his fee will be fully amortised.

 

[ponsaelius]

22 minutes ago, Nucasol said:

Nope. Every time you extend your contract, you just amortise it over a longer period - lower numbers but over the time of the extension.

 

Fair. I imagine his book value must be pretty low by now now though?

[Checko]

10 minutes ago, SteV said:

So if you sign someone for £20m on 5 year deal, amortise at £4m per year, for the first four years, before they sign a new 4 year contract, you’d have amortised £18m of the original £20m, if you sold with two years remaining?

Yeah, so Miggy was, say £21,000,000 when he signed in Jan 2019 on a 5 1/2 year deal

 

So every year about 3.8 milllion off the books (21,000,000 / 5.5 =3.81818181)

 

After 4 years signed a new 3 1/2 year deal. so about £15,000,000 off the books at that point  (3.8 x4). £6 million left.

 

Remaining 6 million comes off over the length of his new contract, about 1.7 million a year.

 

Two years later he's sold, about £3,500,000 has come off that final £6,000,000 so my guess is about £2.5 million remaining on his value that will count againt net profit in the books.

 

Technically I think all this stuff is done on a daily rate (there are some accountants on here who will know better) so the above won't be quite right, but should be accurate enough for internet forum purposes.

 

 

Edited January 16 by Checko

[KaKa]

4 minutes ago, SteV said:

So if you sign someone for £20m on 5 year deal, amortise at £4m per year, for the first four years, before they sign a new 4 year contract, you’d have amortised £18m of the original £20m, if you sold with two years remaining?

 

Yes, I believe that's correct

 

After 4 years of the original 5 year contract the book value of the player would be £4 million.

 

If a new 4 year contract is signed, then it would be that remaining £4 million book value that is then amortised over the next 4 years, so at £1 million a year.

 

After 2 years of the new contract have elapsed the player's book value would be £2 million.

 

 

[Colos Short and Curlies]

If we're starting from a position of just about being ok for this season PSR wise then this sale would allow us to bring forward a £30-£40m singing from the summer.

 

One more sale and we're looking at a Mbuemo level signing headroom

[HayDen Traces]

3 minutes ago, Colos Short and Curlies said:

If we're starting from a position of just about being ok for this season PSR wise then this sale would allow us to bring forward a £30-£40m singing from the summer.

 

One more sale and we're looking at a Mbuemo level signing headroom

Sell Longstaff to Everton for £15-20m. We'd have some PSR headspace

[Scoot]

Great deal to be honest. Was kinda hoping we could fetch someone in though.

[Nucasol]

Just now, ponsaelius said:

 

Fair. I imagine his book value must be pretty low by now now though?

Yep

 

8 minutes ago, Checko said:

Yeah, so Miggy was, say £21,000,000 when he signed in Jan 2019 on a 5 1/2 year deal

 

So every year about 3.8 milllion off the books (21,000,000 / 5.5 =3.81818181)

 

After 4 years signed a new 3 1/2 year deal. so about £15,000,000 off the books at that point  (3.8 x4). £6 million left.

 

Remaining 6 million comes off over the length of his new contract, about 1.7 million a year.

 

Two years later he's sold, about £3,500,000 has come off that final £6,000,000 so my guess is about £2.5 million remaining on his value that will count againt net profit in the books.

 

Technically I think all this stuff is done on a daily rate (there are some accountants on here who will know better) so the above won't be quite right, but should be accurate enough for internet forum purposes.

 

 

 

Pretty close:

 

[sushimonster85]

9 minutes ago, HayDen Traces said:

Sell Longstaff to Everton for £15-20m. We'd have some PSR headspace

 

I hear it's exactly that easy as well...

[GEFAFWISP]

I'm all giddy, like Rachel Reeves cutting public spending type of giddy, thanks and farewell Miggy.

[bobbydazzla]

Adios amigo

 

You tried hard, scored a few worldies, only had one foot, were often frustrating, but I never doubted your attitude

 

Hasta la vista, baby 

[huss9]

will never forget that PSG goal.

had me in tears.

[midds]

Impossible to reject that offer, no axe to grind with him, he tried his best but ultimately way too limited. Just need to hope the cash is put to good use replacing him, sure it will be

[huss9]

Just now, hakka said:

 

Was busy watching Expendables 4 when that was scored, but was also in tears... but for very different reasons though...

my kids stood next to me were going "ffs, dad's crying!".

[AJ9]

7 minutes ago, huss9 said:

will never forget that PSG goal.

had me in tears.

What a rush. Fucking amazing.