Steve Brute

[LoveItIfWeBeatU]

Pretty sure I read Bruce say he's been promised Charnley and Ashley will be patient and support him. I think we'll be as good as relegated before they sack him (that's if they sack him even then).

 

I can't imagine them replacing Bruce with an up and coming manager. We're doomed to PFM has-beens until Ashley sells NUFC.

[TRon]

Is this nightmare ever going to end? 

 

Trying not to care and that but f*** me it gets you down, needing my own team to get beat ffs.

 

I know a lot of people are saying they want us to lose and get relegated in order to get rid of Ashley, and I can see the logic, but I find it very hard. When you meet friends from outside the area you end up feeling ashamed of your own club. It was on hold while Rafa was here because you could convince them he was turning things round. But Bruce...my God it's fucking embarrassing. You end up avoiding the topic of football altogether.

[Raconteur]

Is this nightmare ever going to end? 

 

Trying not to care and that but f*** me it gets you down, needing my own team to get beat ffs.

 

I know a lot of people are saying they want us to lose and get relegated in order to get rid of Ashley, and I can see the logic, but I find it very hard. When you meet friends from outside the area you end up feeling ashamed of your own club. It was on hold while Rafa was here because you could convince them he was turning things round. But Bruce...my God it's fucking embarrassing. You end up avoiding the topic of football altogether.

 

Not just locals - I’ve started at a new school where all the kids want to talk about what football team I support. “Newcastle. I don’t want to talk about it.” They jeer when the Toon lose and don’t understand when I say I’m glad we lost.

 

Doesn’t help that I’ve got a wallpaper on my work computer of Rafa and Jamaal, always up on the screen for the kids to mock. Probably should change that...

[LoveItIfWeBeatU]

Is this nightmare ever going to end? 

 

Trying not to care and that but f*** me it gets you down, needing my own team to get beat ffs.

 

I know a lot of people are saying they want us to lose and get relegated in order to get rid of Ashley, and I can see the logic, but I find it very hard. When you meet friends from outside the area you end up feeling ashamed of your own club. It was on hold while Rafa was here because you could convince them he was turning things round. But Bruce...my God it's fucking embarrassing. You end up avoiding the topic of football altogether.

 

Not just locals - I’ve started at a new school where all the kids want to talk about what football team I support. “Newcastle. I don’t want to talk about it.” They jeer when the Toon lose and don’t understand when I say I’m glad we lost.

 

Doesn’t help that I’ve got a wallpaper on my work computer of Rafa and Jamaal, always up on the screen for the kids to mock. Probably should change that...

 

Put those kids in detention. I assume they just 'support' the likes of Man City, Barcelona, etc?

[jonny1403]

A post on RAWK to cheer everybody up  :lol:

 

 

 

Quote from: Brian Blessed on August 18, 2019, 03:24:38 AM

 

Bruce is about to go the way of Pardew, this is his last job in football. About fucking time.

 

 

rafathegaffa83

RAWK Scribe

 

 

I don't think there is a manager in the PL more heavily reliant on a chequebook than Bruce and yet he gets hired again and again. It used to be said when he first started that he had a great scouting network/contacts, which was why he could pull out a few signings above the quality expected for his clubs. But even those are few and far between and some of those players like Maguire and Robertson only flourished after moving on.

 

What Bruce has shown throughout his career is a scattergun approach to transfers, which he won't be allowed at Newcastle. He's signed several players in the past only to cast them off six to twelve months later (Walter Pandiani, Luciano Figueroa, Marlon King). The latter almost joined Fulham prior to joining Bruce at Wigan, but Fulham were concerned about his legal history and his medical. Bruce signed him anyway for Wigan, doubled his wages and then jettisoned him on loan after 15 games before his legal troubles allowed them to cancel his contract.

 

Then there are the terrible swaps: £4.25m + Andy Johnson for Clinton Morrison. The latter was sold back for £2m two years later, while Palace sold Johnson for £8m+

 

Then there are the loss making and high wage/low impact signings:

- Paying £6m for Lee Cattermole

- Frazier Campbell for £3.5m rising to £6m (later sold for £650,000)

- Michael Turner for £5.5m (later sold for £1.5m)

- Asomah Gyan for £13m (sold for £6m a year later)

- Connor Wickham for £12m (sold for between £7m-£9m)

- Scott Hogan for £12m (now on loan at Stoke)

-Paying a combined £6.5m for John O'Shea and Wes Brown when every man and his dog knew they were finished. I also seem to recall he wanted Darron Gibson in this deal before he turned them down

- Abel Hernandez for £10m (later released by Hull)

- Alou Cisse for £4.5m (sold two years later for £300k)

- Olivier Kapo for £3.5m (released a few seasons later)

-James McFadden for £4.75m (released three years later)

- Gary McSheffrey for £4m (released three years later)

- Rowan Vine for £3m (sold a year later for £1m)

- Walter Pandiani for £3m (sold for £1m six months later)

- Luciano Figueroa for £2.5m (released four months later)

- Gary O'Connor for £2.7m (released fhree years later)

 

As much as I agree with the general point:

 

- Sunderland got their money back on Gyan - no idea where that figure above has come from.

 

- John O Shea and Wes Brown were good signings for Sunderland given the length of service provided - not their fault they continued to be played four years later when they were completely finished because Sunderland didn't replace them.

 

- Abel Hernandez was consistently Hull's best player during his time there and only left because they couldn't agree a new contract.

[Disco]

Can't put a value on what a great guy he is though albeit it will be in the billions, arguably hundreds of.

[Fitzgerald]

Is this nightmare ever going to end? 

 

Trying not to care and that but f*** me it gets you down, needing my own team to get beat ffs.

 

I know a lot of people are saying they want us to lose and get relegated in order to get rid of Ashley, and I can see the logic, but I find it very hard. When you meet friends from outside the area you end up feeling ashamed of your own club. It was on hold while Rafa was here because you could convince them he was turning things round. But Bruce...my God it's f***ing embarrassing. You end up avoiding the topic of football altogether.

 

Exactly. I just say I'm neutral. I was in a pub in Yorkshire watching the Man City v Tottenham  match and someone asked me who I support and I'd have died of embarrassment saying bruceys boys. I just said nobody.

 

I work away and can't even go home as I know my dad will be cheering Bruce on and I can't deal with it I would have to do something else then be annoyed Ashley is making me have to go out my way to avoid games. Bruce ffs  utter embarrassment he's representing the club and city yet people want to give him a chance!

[Shearergol]

A post on RAWK to cheer everybody up  :lol:

 

 

 

Quote from: Brian Blessed on August 18, 2019, 03:24:38 AM

 

Bruce is about to go the way of Pardew, this is his last job in football. About fucking time.

 

 

rafathegaffa83

RAWK Scribe

 

 

I don't think there is a manager in the PL more heavily reliant on a chequebook than Bruce and yet he gets hired again and again. It used to be said when he first started that he had a great scouting network/contacts, which was why he could pull out a few signings above the quality expected for his clubs. But even those are few and far between and some of those players like Maguire and Robertson only flourished after moving on.

 

What Bruce has shown throughout his career is a scattergun approach to transfers, which he won't be allowed at Newcastle. He's signed several players in the past only to cast them off six to twelve months later (Walter Pandiani, Luciano Figueroa, Marlon King). The latter almost joined Fulham prior to joining Bruce at Wigan, but Fulham were concerned about his legal history and his medical. Bruce signed him anyway for Wigan, doubled his wages and then jettisoned him on loan after 15 games before his legal troubles allowed them to cancel his contract.

 

Then there are the terrible swaps: £4.25m + Andy Johnson for Clinton Morrison. The latter was sold back for £2m two years later, while Palace sold Johnson for £8m+

 

Then there are the loss making and high wage/low impact signings:

- Paying £6m for Lee Cattermole

- Frazier Campbell for £3.5m rising to £6m (later sold for £650,000)

- Michael Turner for £5.5m (later sold for £1.5m)

- Asomah Gyan for £13m (sold for £6m a year later)

- Connor Wickham for £12m (sold for between £7m-£9m)

- Scott Hogan for £12m (now on loan at Stoke)

-Paying a combined £6.5m for John O'Shea and Wes Brown when every man and his dog knew they were finished. I also seem to recall he wanted Darron Gibson in this deal before he turned them down

- Abel Hernandez for £10m (later released by Hull)

- Alou Cisse for £4.5m (sold two years later for £300k)

- Olivier Kapo for £3.5m (released a few seasons later)

-James McFadden for £4.75m (released three years later)

- Gary McSheffrey for £4m (released three years later)

- Rowan Vine for £3m (sold a year later for £1m)

- Walter Pandiani for £3m (sold for £1m six months later)

- Luciano Figueroa for £2.5m (released four months later)

- Gary O'Connor for £2.7m (released fhree years later)

 

As much as I agree with the general point:

 

- Sunderland got their money back on Gyan - no idea where that figure above has come from.

 

- John O Shea and Wes Brown were good signings for Sunderland given the length of service provided - not their fault they continued to be played four years later when they were completely finished because Sunderland didn't replace them.

 

- Abel Hernandez was consistently Hull's best player during his time there and only left because they couldn't agree a new contract.

 

They got money back on gyan because of the first loan fee, but the transfer fee they received the year after was just over £6m

[jonny1403]

A post on RAWK to cheer everybody up  :lol:

 

 

 

Quote from: Brian Blessed on August 18, 2019, 03:24:38 AM

 

Bruce is about to go the way of Pardew, this is his last job in football. About fucking time.

 

 

rafathegaffa83

RAWK Scribe

 

 

I don't think there is a manager in the PL more heavily reliant on a chequebook than Bruce and yet he gets hired again and again. It used to be said when he first started that he had a great scouting network/contacts, which was why he could pull out a few signings above the quality expected for his clubs. But even those are few and far between and some of those players like Maguire and Robertson only flourished after moving on.

 

What Bruce has shown throughout his career is a scattergun approach to transfers, which he won't be allowed at Newcastle. He's signed several players in the past only to cast them off six to twelve months later (Walter Pandiani, Luciano Figueroa, Marlon King). The latter almost joined Fulham prior to joining Bruce at Wigan, but Fulham were concerned about his legal history and his medical. Bruce signed him anyway for Wigan, doubled his wages and then jettisoned him on loan after 15 games before his legal troubles allowed them to cancel his contract.

 

Then there are the terrible swaps: £4.25m + Andy Johnson for Clinton Morrison. The latter was sold back for £2m two years later, while Palace sold Johnson for £8m+

 

Then there are the loss making and high wage/low impact signings:

- Paying £6m for Lee Cattermole

- Frazier Campbell for £3.5m rising to £6m (later sold for £650,000)

- Michael Turner for £5.5m (later sold for £1.5m)

- Asomah Gyan for £13m (sold for £6m a year later)

- Connor Wickham for £12m (sold for between £7m-£9m)

- Scott Hogan for £12m (now on loan at Stoke)

-Paying a combined £6.5m for John O'Shea and Wes Brown when every man and his dog knew they were finished. I also seem to recall he wanted Darron Gibson in this deal before he turned them down

- Abel Hernandez for £10m (later released by Hull)

- Alou Cisse for £4.5m (sold two years later for £300k)

- Olivier Kapo for £3.5m (released a few seasons later)

-James McFadden for £4.75m (released three years later)

- Gary McSheffrey for £4m (released three years later)

- Rowan Vine for £3m (sold a year later for £1m)

- Walter Pandiani for £3m (sold for £1m six months later)

- Luciano Figueroa for £2.5m (released four months later)

- Gary O'Connor for £2.7m (released fhree years later)

 

As much as I agree with the general point:

 

- Sunderland got their money back on Gyan - no idea where that figure above has come from.

 

- John O Shea and Wes Brown were good signings for Sunderland given the length of service provided - not their fault they continued to be played four years later when they were completely finished because Sunderland didn't replace them.

 

- Abel Hernandez was consistently Hull's best player during his time there and only left because they couldn't agree a new contract.

 

They got money back on gyan because of the first loan fee, but the transfer fee they received the year after was just over £6m

 

True, but the first loan fee was something like £6.5m so they were net neutral overall.

[mrmojorisin75]

A post on RAWK to cheer everybody up  :lol:

 

 

 

Quote from: Brian Blessed on August 18, 2019, 03:24:38 AM

 

Bruce is about to go the way of Pardew, this is his last job in football. About fucking time.

 

 

rafathegaffa83

RAWK Scribe

 

 

I don't think there is a manager in the PL more heavily reliant on a chequebook than Bruce and yet he gets hired again and again. It used to be said when he first started that he had a great scouting network/contacts, which was why he could pull out a few signings above the quality expected for his clubs. But even those are few and far between and some of those players like Maguire and Robertson only flourished after moving on.

 

What Bruce has shown throughout his career is a scattergun approach to transfers, which he won't be allowed at Newcastle. He's signed several players in the past only to cast them off six to twelve months later (Walter Pandiani, Luciano Figueroa, Marlon King). The latter almost joined Fulham prior to joining Bruce at Wigan, but Fulham were concerned about his legal history and his medical. Bruce signed him anyway for Wigan, doubled his wages and then jettisoned him on loan after 15 games before his legal troubles allowed them to cancel his contract.

 

Then there are the terrible swaps: £4.25m + Andy Johnson for Clinton Morrison. The latter was sold back for £2m two years later, while Palace sold Johnson for £8m+

 

Then there are the loss making and high wage/low impact signings:

- Paying £6m for Lee Cattermole

- Frazier Campbell for £3.5m rising to £6m (later sold for £650,000)

- Michael Turner for £5.5m (later sold for £1.5m)

- Asomah Gyan for £13m (sold for £6m a year later)

- Connor Wickham for £12m (sold for between £7m-£9m)

- Scott Hogan for £12m (now on loan at Stoke)

-Paying a combined £6.5m for John O'Shea and Wes Brown when every man and his dog knew they were finished. I also seem to recall he wanted Darron Gibson in this deal before he turned them down

- Abel Hernandez for £10m (later released by Hull)

- Alou Cisse for £4.5m (sold two years later for £300k)

- Olivier Kapo for £3.5m (released a few seasons later)

-James McFadden for £4.75m (released three years later)

- Gary McSheffrey for £4m (released three years later)

- Rowan Vine for £3m (sold a year later for £1m)

- Walter Pandiani for £3m (sold for £1m six months later)

- Luciano Figueroa for £2.5m (released four months later)

- Gary O'Connor for £2.7m (released fhree years later)

 

ostensibly that looks shite on paper but in fairness to the man he's been managing for 20 years now, i'm not convinced his record on transfers is demonstrably worse than others of his ilk, quite the contrary perhaps

 

also not sure why anyone would bring up transfers wrt bruce as managers of NUFC

[ToonArmy1892]

Winning automatic promotion from the championship becomes more difficult each year.  Each year you could pick the promotion candidates fairly easy, any 2 from 5. Now it's any 2 from 10  . The quality of the relegated teams is so much higher and they come down with money to spare.  The crap managers like Fat Sam, Hughes, Pardew , Pullis etc are being overlooked more and more in favour of younger coaches.

I doubt Bruce could do it now against the managerial opposition out there which was proved  at Villa where he had the most expensive team in the championship.   I'm sure he is a nice guy but sadly he's thick and has no tactical nous whatsover and todays players soon see through that

 

    Why do people keep saying this?

 

Look at how he treated Sheffield Wednesday, and how he will contradict himself to suit whatever position he is in.

 

Look at how he mocked the protest against Ashley.

 

He seems like a c***.

[Fitzgerald]

Winning automatic promotion from the championship becomes more difficult each year.  Each year you could pick the promotion candidates fairly easy, any 2 from 5. Now it's any 2 from 10  . The quality of the relegated teams is so much higher and they come down with money to spare.  The crap managers like Fat Sam, Hughes, Pardew , Pullis etc are being overlooked more and more in favour of younger coaches.

I doubt Bruce could do it now against the managerial opposition out there which was proved  at Villa where he had the most expensive team in the championship.   I'm sure he is a nice guy but sadly he's thick and has no tactical nous whatsover and todays players soon see through that

 

    Why do people keep saying this?

 

Look at how he treated Sheffield Wednesday, and how he will contradict himself to suit whatever position he is in.

 

Look at how he mocked the protest against Ashley.

 

He seems like a c***.

[TRon]

A post on RAWK to cheer everybody up  :lol:

 

 

 

Quote from: Brian Blessed on August 18, 2019, 03:24:38 AM

 

Bruce is about to go the way of Pardew, this is his last job in football. About fucking time.

 

 

rafathegaffa83

RAWK Scribe

 

 

I don't think there is a manager in the PL more heavily reliant on a chequebook than Bruce and yet he gets hired again and again. It used to be said when he first started that he had a great scouting network/contacts, which was why he could pull out a few signings above the quality expected for his clubs. But even those are few and far between and some of those players like Maguire and Robertson only flourished after moving on.

 

What Bruce has shown throughout his career is a scattergun approach to transfers, which he won't be allowed at Newcastle. He's signed several players in the past only to cast them off six to twelve months later (Walter Pandiani, Luciano Figueroa, Marlon King). The latter almost joined Fulham prior to joining Bruce at Wigan, but Fulham were concerned about his legal history and his medical. Bruce signed him anyway for Wigan, doubled his wages and then jettisoned him on loan after 15 games before his legal troubles allowed them to cancel his contract.

 

Then there are the terrible swaps: £4.25m + Andy Johnson for Clinton Morrison. The latter was sold back for £2m two years later, while Palace sold Johnson for £8m+

 

Then there are the loss making and high wage/low impact signings:

- Paying £6m for Lee Cattermole

- Frazier Campbell for £3.5m rising to £6m (later sold for £650,000)

- Michael Turner for £5.5m (later sold for £1.5m)

- Asomah Gyan for £13m (sold for £6m a year later)

- Connor Wickham for £12m (sold for between £7m-£9m)

- Scott Hogan for £12m (now on loan at Stoke)

-Paying a combined £6.5m for John O'Shea and Wes Brown when every man and his dog knew they were finished. I also seem to recall he wanted Darron Gibson in this deal before he turned them down

- Abel Hernandez for £10m (later released by Hull)

- Alou Cisse for £4.5m (sold two years later for £300k)

- Olivier Kapo for £3.5m (released a few seasons later)

-James McFadden for £4.75m (released three years later)

- Gary McSheffrey for £4m (released three years later)

- Rowan Vine for £3m (sold a year later for £1m)

- Walter Pandiani for £3m (sold for £1m six months later)

- Luciano Figueroa for £2.5m (released four months later)

- Gary O'Connor for £2.7m (released fhree years later)

 

ostensibly that looks shite on paper but in fairness to the man he's been managing for 20 years now, i'm not convinced his record on transfers is demonstrably worse than others of his ilk, quite the contrary perhaps

 

also not sure why anyone would bring up transfers wrt bruce as managers of NUFC

 

Aye, pointing out his success or failure in the transfer market at other clubs is a bit daft like.

 

This is a job for a tactician and someone who can coach at the highest level. Bruce has got a lot more high value players to work with than the likes of the Norwich manager for example.

[Johneddy]

Why is this man even managing ANY prem club as a total and complete proven failure...we shouldn't even be discussing a tool like this in 2019

[Chris_R]

Why is this man even managing ANY prem club as a total and complete proven failure...we shouldn't even be discussing a tool like this in 2019

 

Well, we know the answer.

 

Our top target turned us down. As did the next 9 on our list. He was next. He's a patsy, a yes man, and the only chump desperate enough to take the job and work under the awful conditions we seem determined to impose.

 

Hopefully it all ends exactly as well as the club deserve it to end.

[Gallowgate End]

2nd lowest xG(Expected goals) in the Premier League so far of the 20 clubs.

 

I can’t believe he had the cheek to say he brings expansive football.

 

What a conman

[Guest covmag]

Now the 4/1 best price favourite to be the next manager sacked.

 

Weirdly enough I think it's a bad bet,this sad sack will hang on far to long, its Ashley's way.

[Disco]

Chronicle getting Seb Larsson to shill for Bruce now. Fucking hell, incalculable how far they've fallen.

[Kanji]

Can’t wait to see what his brilliant tactical plan is for this weekend.

[Chris_R]

Chronicle getting Seb Larsson to shill for Bruce now. Fucking hell, incalculable how far they've fallen.

 

What? They've been like this for years. The writers (I can't call them "journalists") are all stealing a living.

[LV]

Can’t wait to see what his brilliant tactical plan is for this weekend.

 

I honestly think it’ll be nothing more complex than some variation of ‘Try harder!’

[Interpolic]

"Not to worry lads as we don't need to win til November"

[Nobody]

Chronicle getting Seb Larsson to shill for Bruce now. Fucking hell, incalculable how far they've fallen.

Cunt should shut the fuck up and focus on scoring against Celtic tonight.

[Collage]

Chronicle getting Seb Larsson to shill for Bruce now. Fucking hell, incalculable how far they've fallen.

Cunt should shut the fuck up and focus on scoring against Celtic tonight.

 

I guess your view on him must be a bit ambivalent?

[Nobody]

Chronicle getting Seb Larsson to shill for Bruce now. Fucking hell, incalculable how far they've fallen.

Cunt should shut the fuck up and focus on scoring against Celtic tonight.

 

I guess your view on him must be a bit ambivalent?

I mean, he's an absolute cunt, but he's a good player in the Swedish league. Scored a cracking free kick towards the end of last season that helped us win the league, so difficult to hate him too much.