Raconteur Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 I wonder if Froggy[/member] feels his club has missed a trick in not appointing their long-time captain and the man who lifted the first PL trophy as an ambassador? As opposed to our club, where he’s served with questionable adequacy for eleven months... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 i'll absolutely give bruce credit for coming back from the quarantine with a team that looks much more up for it than the rest of the bottom half sides. Thought we'd run a real risk of coming back complacent and underwhelming and slip into a relegation battle. that he's outperformed expectations over the course of the season I'll never directly credit him with because I refuse to believe carrying on for 3 months with your back 5 scoring 50% of your goals was ever intended. As much a fluke as Pardew's 5th place finish although I don't hate Bruce anywhere near as much. this sentence should end the bruce argument, that's it right there Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjohnson Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 We’ve won 6 home games out of 17, do you think that’s acceptable? Unless we get a draw against Liverpool, our home form is likely to have been the same as we managed in our last relegation season. A lot of the games this season at home have been pretty shit. Pretty boring. But clearly, we're hard to beat at home. I think 6 home wins is acceptable, considering we're on 26 points from 17 games. Last season we lost 10 home games, and ended up on 25 points. I think 6 home wins is acceptable for a side who are happy with mediocrity. Every team should be aiming to win most of their home games, and not less than half Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWN Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 Mate at work said he was warming to Bruce :'( Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 I wonder if Froggy[/member] feels his club has missed a trick in not appointing their long-time captain and the man who lifted the first PL trophy as an ambassador? As opposed to our club, where he’s served with questionable adequacy for eleven months... Quite a few people on here would have probably suggested Bruce was just as good a manager as Ole. Time changes a lot of things. Bruce is doing exactly what Ashley wants him to do. Once this takeover happens you'll be free. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 We’ve won 6 home games out of 17, do you think that’s acceptable? Unless we get a draw against Liverpool, our home form is likely to have been the same as we managed in our last relegation season. A lot of the games this season at home have been pretty shit. Pretty boring. But clearly, we're hard to beat at home. I think 6 home wins is acceptable, considering we're on 26 points from 17 games. Last season we lost 10 home games, and ended up on 25 points. I think 6 home wins is acceptable for a side who are happy with mediocrity. Every team should be aiming to win most of their home games, and not less than half Once upon a time our home crowd made that a realistic proposition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samptime29 Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 We’ve won 6 home games out of 17, do you think that’s acceptable? Unless we get a draw against Liverpool, our home form is likely to have been the same as we managed in our last relegation season. A lot of the games this season at home have been pretty shit. Pretty boring. But clearly, we're hard to beat at home. I think 6 home wins is acceptable, considering we're on 26 points from 17 games. Last season we lost 10 home games, and ended up on 25 points. I think 6 home wins is acceptable for a side who are happy with mediocrity. Every team should be aiming to win most of their home games, and not less than half 6 wins with 0 draws isn't good enough. 6 wins with 8 draws is acceptable. Were you happier last season when we won 8 home games but had less home points than this season? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjohnson Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 I wonder if Froggy[/member] feels his club has missed a trick in not appointing their long-time captain and the man who lifted the first PL trophy as an ambassador? As opposed to our club, where he’s served with questionable adequacy for eleven months... Quite a few people on here would have probably suggested Bruce was just as good a manager as Ole. Time changes a lot of things. Bruce is doing exactly what Ashley wants him to do. Once this takeover happens you'll be free. Tragic thing is Bruce probably is as good as Ole, but when you can blow 50m on a reserve midfielder and have 140m sitting on a bench during a match the players will cover how crap you actually are! Got to be spectacularly bad to have those kind of resources and not achieve. for reference...Souness with us. More money than previous managers by a long way, yet takes the team to a 12 year low Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjohnson Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 We’ve won 6 home games out of 17, do you think that’s acceptable? Unless we get a draw against Liverpool, our home form is likely to have been the same as we managed in our last relegation season. A lot of the games this season at home have been pretty shit. Pretty boring. But clearly, we're hard to beat at home. I think 6 home wins is acceptable, considering we're on 26 points from 17 games. Last season we lost 10 home games, and ended up on 25 points. I think 6 home wins is acceptable for a side who are happy with mediocrity. Every team should be aiming to win most of their home games, and not less than half 6 wins with 0 draws isn't good enough. 6 wins with 8 draws is acceptable. Were you happier last season when we won 8 home games but had less home points than this season? Yes, because there looked to be a coherent plan and no where near as reliant on luck as this season has. The entertainment was also far higher which is kind of the point in the first place. Sitting watching a team that is scared to venture into the opposition half and even at home is no fun. Watching a team that can't keep possession for more than 1 minute at a time is no fun. Watching at team that gets a corner and instead of attacking passes back to their own goal keeper is embarrassing. Watching a team getting schooled by the far and away relegation favourites is nothing to be happy with. Relying on other teams not performing and getting the odd lucky result is not a sustainable method. Luck runs out, and what's that? oh, low and behold a team is sitting in the relegation zone hoping to pull off a result on the last day which might keep them up only for a duff deflection to welcome the cold embrace of the championship Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samptime29 Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 We’ve won 6 home games out of 17, do you think that’s acceptable? Unless we get a draw against Liverpool, our home form is likely to have been the same as we managed in our last relegation season. A lot of the games this season at home have been pretty shit. Pretty boring. But clearly, we're hard to beat at home. I think 6 home wins is acceptable, considering we're on 26 points from 17 games. Last season we lost 10 home games, and ended up on 25 points. I think 6 home wins is acceptable for a side who are happy with mediocrity. Every team should be aiming to win most of their home games, and not less than half 6 wins with 0 draws isn't good enough. 6 wins with 8 draws is acceptable. Were you happier last season when we won 8 home games but had less home points than this season? Yes, because there looked to be a coherent plan and no where near as reliant on luck as this season has. The entertainment was also far higher which is kind of the point in the first place. Sitting watching a team that is scared to venture into the opposition half and even at home is no fun. Watching a team that can't keep possession for more than 1 minute at a time is no fun. Watching at team that gets a corner and instead of attacking passes back to their own goal keeper is embarrassing. Watching a team getting schooled by the far and away relegation favourites is nothing to be happy with. Relying on other teams not performing and getting the odd lucky result is not a sustainable method. Luck runs out, and what's that? oh, low and behold a team is sitting in the relegation zone hoping to pull off a result on the last day which might keep them up only for a duff deflection to welcome the cold embrace of the championship We lost our first 5 home games last season. Let's be honest we were shit the first 11 home games of the season. Won 2 Drew 1 Lost 8 games. We had scored 7 goals in 11 home games. I remember the Brighton 1-0 loss at home. We played shit. West Ham 3-0 loss at home. We played shit. Fulham 0-0 at home. We had zero shots on target. We were beyond shit. We were very good in last 8 home games of season, and the entertainment level was a lot higher than this season - but the first 11 home games was shit and not entertaining. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest reefatoon Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 We’ve won 6 home games out of 17, do you think that’s acceptable? Unless we get a draw against Liverpool, our home form is likely to have been the same as we managed in our last relegation season. A lot of the games this season at home have been pretty shit. Pretty boring. But clearly, we're hard to beat at home. I think 6 home wins is acceptable, considering we're on 26 points from 17 games. Last season we lost 10 home games, and ended up on 25 points. I think 6 home wins is acceptable for a side who are happy with mediocrity. Every team should be aiming to win most of their home games, and not less than half 6 wins with 0 draws isn't good enough. 6 wins with 8 draws is acceptable. Were you happier last season when we won 8 home games but had less home points than this season? Yes, because there looked to be a coherent plan and no where near as reliant on luck as this season has. The entertainment was also far higher which is kind of the point in the first place. Sitting watching a team that is scared to venture into the opposition half and even at home is no fun. Watching a team that can't keep possession for more than 1 minute at a time is no fun. Watching at team that gets a corner and instead of attacking passes back to their own goal keeper is embarrassing. Watching a team getting schooled by the far and away relegation favourites is nothing to be happy with. Relying on other teams not performing and getting the odd lucky result is not a sustainable method. Luck runs out, and what's that? oh, low and behold a team is sitting in the relegation zone hoping to pull off a result on the last day which might keep them up only for a duff deflection to welcome the cold embrace of the championship We lost our first 5 home games last season. Let's be honest we were shit the first 11 home games of the season. Won 2 Drew 1 Lost 8 games. We had scored 7 goals in 11 home games. I remember the Brighton 1-0 loss at home. We played shit. West Ham 3-0 loss at home. We played shit. Fulham 0-0 at home. We had zero shots on target. We were beyond shit. We were very good in last 8 home games of season, and the entertainment level was a lot higher than this season - but the first 11 home games was shit and not entertaining. Samptime29 is right here mind. We paint over it because it was Rafa, but the first half of our home form last season was fucking awful and the football was lifting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 We've pretty much been awful in the first half of the season since we've come back up and then been good in the second half Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny1403 Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 Would love to see a comparison of our form in the first 19 games v the second 19 games in the last 3 season. Feels like every year we seem to kick off the shackles and start racking up wins before starting the next season horrendously again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 We’ve won 6 home games out of 17, do you think that’s acceptable? Unless we get a draw against Liverpool, our home form is likely to have been the same as we managed in our last relegation season. A lot of the games this season at home have been pretty shit. Pretty boring. But clearly, we're hard to beat at home. I think 6 home wins is acceptable, considering we're on 26 points from 17 games. Last season we lost 10 home games, and ended up on 25 points. I think 6 home wins is acceptable for a side who are happy with mediocrity. Every team should be aiming to win most of their home games, and not less than half 6 wins with 0 draws isn't good enough. 6 wins with 8 draws is acceptable. Were you happier last season when we won 8 home games but had less home points than this season? Yes, because there looked to be a coherent plan and no where near as reliant on luck as this season has. The entertainment was also far higher which is kind of the point in the first place. Sitting watching a team that is scared to venture into the opposition half and even at home is no fun. Watching a team that can't keep possession for more than 1 minute at a time is no fun. Watching at team that gets a corner and instead of attacking passes back to their own goal keeper is embarrassing. Watching a team getting schooled by the far and away relegation favourites is nothing to be happy with. Relying on other teams not performing and getting the odd lucky result is not a sustainable method. Luck runs out, and what's that? oh, low and behold a team is sitting in the relegation zone hoping to pull off a result on the last day which might keep them up only for a duff deflection to welcome the cold embrace of the championship We lost our first 5 home games last season. Let's be honest we were shit the first 11 home games of the season. Won 2 Drew 1 Lost 8 games. We had scored 7 goals in 11 home games. I remember the Brighton 1-0 loss at home. We played shit. West Ham 3-0 loss at home. We played shit. Fulham 0-0 at home. We had zero shots on target. We were beyond shit. We were very good in last 8 home games of season, and the entertainment level was a lot higher than this season - but the first 11 home games was shit and not entertaining. Samptime29 is right here mind. We paint over it because it was Rafa, but the first half of our home form last season was fucking awful and the football was lifting. Rafa got plenty of stick from certain people on here mind. But there was always hope with Rafa; he was trying to build something. What's Bruce doing to improve us long term? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjohnson Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 No I'm f**king well not! Thumbs down, and let the tigers off the chains Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjohnson Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 We’ve won 6 home games out of 17, do you think that’s acceptable? Unless we get a draw against Liverpool, our home form is likely to have been the same as we managed in our last relegation season. A lot of the games this season at home have been pretty shit. Pretty boring. But clearly, we're hard to beat at home. I think 6 home wins is acceptable, considering we're on 26 points from 17 games. Last season we lost 10 home games, and ended up on 25 points. I think 6 home wins is acceptable for a side who are happy with mediocrity. Every team should be aiming to win most of their home games, and not less than half 6 wins with 0 draws isn't good enough. 6 wins with 8 draws is acceptable. Were you happier last season when we won 8 home games but had less home points than this season? Yes, because there looked to be a coherent plan and no where near as reliant on luck as this season has. The entertainment was also far higher which is kind of the point in the first place. Sitting watching a team that is scared to venture into the opposition half and even at home is no fun. Watching a team that can't keep possession for more than 1 minute at a time is no fun. Watching at team that gets a corner and instead of attacking passes back to their own goal keeper is embarrassing. Watching a team getting schooled by the far and away relegation favourites is nothing to be happy with. Relying on other teams not performing and getting the odd lucky result is not a sustainable method. Luck runs out, and what's that? oh, low and behold a team is sitting in the relegation zone hoping to pull off a result on the last day which might keep them up only for a duff deflection to welcome the cold embrace of the championship We lost our first 5 home games last season. Let's be honest we were shit the first 11 home games of the season. Won 2 Drew 1 Lost 8 games. We had scored 7 goals in 11 home games. I remember the Brighton 1-0 loss at home. We played shit. West Ham 3-0 loss at home. We played shit. Fulham 0-0 at home. We had zero shots on target. We were beyond shit. We were very good in last 8 home games of season, and the entertainment level was a lot higher than this season - but the first 11 home games was shit and not entertaining. Samptime29 is right here mind. We paint over it because it was Rafa, but the first half of our home form last season was fucking awful and the football was lifting. Rafa got plenty of stick from certain people on here mind. But there was always hope with Rafa; he was trying to build something. What's Bruce doing to improve us long term? This....we might have lost more but at least there was clear signs of tactics and a plan, which did work after a bit of time. What's Bruce's gameplan? Genuinely? If it's 'defend and hope for a bit of magic' then he doesn't deserve any credit at all. I could do that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 If he wanted to improve us long term he wouldn't be here. We know Ashley's requirements. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 We’ve won 6 home games out of 17, do you think that’s acceptable? Unless we get a draw against Liverpool, our home form is likely to have been the same as we managed in our last relegation season. A lot of the games this season at home have been pretty shit. Pretty boring. But clearly, we're hard to beat at home. I think 6 home wins is acceptable, considering we're on 26 points from 17 games. Last season we lost 10 home games, and ended up on 25 points. I think 6 home wins is acceptable for a side who are happy with mediocrity. Every team should be aiming to win most of their home games, and not less than half 6 wins with 0 draws isn't good enough. 6 wins with 8 draws is acceptable. Were you happier last season when we won 8 home games but had less home points than this season? Yes, because there looked to be a coherent plan and no where near as reliant on luck as this season has. The entertainment was also far higher which is kind of the point in the first place. Sitting watching a team that is scared to venture into the opposition half and even at home is no fun. Watching a team that can't keep possession for more than 1 minute at a time is no fun. Watching at team that gets a corner and instead of attacking passes back to their own goal keeper is embarrassing. Watching a team getting schooled by the far and away relegation favourites is nothing to be happy with. Relying on other teams not performing and getting the odd lucky result is not a sustainable method. Luck runs out, and what's that? oh, low and behold a team is sitting in the relegation zone hoping to pull off a result on the last day which might keep them up only for a duff deflection to welcome the cold embrace of the championship We lost our first 5 home games last season. Let's be honest we were shit the first 11 home games of the season. Won 2 Drew 1 Lost 8 games. We had scored 7 goals in 11 home games. I remember the Brighton 1-0 loss at home. We played shit. West Ham 3-0 loss at home. We played shit. Fulham 0-0 at home. We had zero shots on target. We were beyond shit. We were very good in last 8 home games of season, and the entertainment level was a lot higher than this season - but the first 11 home games was shit and not entertaining. Samptime29 is right here mind. We paint over it because it was Rafa, but the first half of our home form last season was fucking awful and the football was lifting. Rafa got plenty of stick from certain people on here mind. But there was always hope with Rafa; he was trying to build something. What's Bruce doing to improve us long term? I wasn't trying to stick up for Bruce with that comment, I think he is fucking useless and should be nowhere near the club. Was just agreeing on the part Samptime mentioned about the first half of last season being shite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 So basically to me this is the narrative of Steve Bruce's tactics and how we've played this season Start of the season he wanted us to play expansive attacking football, which turned out to mean throwing on random teams out of position and them milling around doing nowt. He then complains a lot blaming Rafa for his own failings as a coach and reverts to three at the back and copy Rafa's defensive work. This works in shoring things up but because Bruce hasn't paid attention to premier league football for the past decade (why would you bother?) he does not understand the importance of possession, not even that if you're playing not for possession you have to account for the fact a lot of teams are and will press high. This means he drastically undervalues the technical defenders on the books, Schar and Lejeune and instead persists with the less error prone ones but ones who can't reliably get the ball out the back and past the high press. This continues until lockdown Post lockdown we are safe and finally Steve Bruce's just have fun lads has actually had some benefit, some of out players are freer and don't quite have weight of the world on their shoulders, resulting in an improved performance. I am happier with how we are playing now and Bruce does deserve some credit for that. But continually idiotic pundits have been hammering that Bruce overachieved before the lockdown. He did because we flucked an absurd number of points, and sorry my eyes aren't lying here, we were absolutely turgid for large part of the season. Some of it is down to not having a proper centre forward sure, however Bruce also tied himself to the Joelinton deal and said he was happy. The crowd demanding he stay post takeover (not that the takeover will ever happen :/) really think he can attract a higher caliber of talent to sign for us? Can he really compete further up the table with such a lack of interest in posession football? You can only go so far with wacking it up and hoping for some magic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samptime29 Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 Rondon and Perez scored 25 goals between them last season. Take that away from any team, and there is a big void. I think we were always going to sell Perez, but if we'd kept Rondon, and only signed ASM - it would be interesting to see what happened. Would Bruce have started 5 at the back, or went with 4? Rondon, Miggy, ASM sounds more dangerous, then Joelinton, Miggy, ASM IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samptime29 Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 Would love to see a comparison of our form in the first 19 games v the second 19 games in the last 3 season. Feels like every year we seem to kick off the shackles and start racking up wins before starting the next season horrendously again. We do always seem to start slowly (especially first 9-10 games). Last season: 17 points from first 19 games, 29 points from next 19 games. This season: 25 points from first 19 games, 18 points from next 14 games (with 5 games to go.). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 We started badly, but pundits have wiped our second half of the season last year from the memory banks completely. And of course without Rondon we are rubbish. Bruce just sucked up to Ashley and took it because that's why he's signed, not due to any abilities, because he provided a nice narrative of a geordie managing us and because he wouldn't kick up a fuss about being shafted by Ashley. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 We’ve won 6 home games out of 17, do you think that’s acceptable? Unless we get a draw against Liverpool, our home form is likely to have been the same as we managed in our last relegation season. A lot of the games this season at home have been pretty shit. Pretty boring. But clearly, we're hard to beat at home. I think 6 home wins is acceptable, considering we're on 26 points from 17 games. Last season we lost 10 home games, and ended up on 25 points. I think 6 home wins is acceptable for a side who are happy with mediocrity. Every team should be aiming to win most of their home games, and not less than half 6 wins with 0 draws isn't good enough. 6 wins with 8 draws is acceptable. Were you happier last season when we won 8 home games but had less home points than this season? Yes, because there looked to be a coherent plan and no where near as reliant on luck as this season has. The entertainment was also far higher which is kind of the point in the first place. Sitting watching a team that is scared to venture into the opposition half and even at home is no fun. Watching a team that can't keep possession for more than 1 minute at a time is no fun. Watching at team that gets a corner and instead of attacking passes back to their own goal keeper is embarrassing. Watching a team getting schooled by the far and away relegation favourites is nothing to be happy with. Relying on other teams not performing and getting the odd lucky result is not a sustainable method. Luck runs out, and what's that? oh, low and behold a team is sitting in the relegation zone hoping to pull off a result on the last day which might keep them up only for a duff deflection to welcome the cold embrace of the championship We lost our first 5 home games last season. Let's be honest we were shit the first 11 home games of the season. Won 2 Drew 1 Lost 8 games. We had scored 7 goals in 11 home games. I remember the Brighton 1-0 loss at home. We played shit. West Ham 3-0 loss at home. We played shit. Fulham 0-0 at home. We had zero shots on target. We were beyond shit. We were very good in last 8 home games of season, and the entertainment level was a lot higher than this season - but the first 11 home games was shit and not entertaining. Samptime29 is right here mind. We paint over it because it was Rafa, but the first half of our home form last season was fucking awful and the football was lifting. Rafa got plenty of stick from certain people on here mind. But there was always hope with Rafa; he was trying to build something. What's Bruce doing to improve us long term? I wasn't trying to stick up for Bruce with that comment, I think he is fucking useless and should be nowhere near the club. Was just agreeing on the part Samptime mentioned about the first half of last season being shite. Never understand this argument "I think he's shite but look at these figures etc" I'm not interested in figures or stats, I only want a manager who I think will make us contenders given the right backing. I would back Rafa over Bruce and that's all there is to it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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