Guest Cheesy Beans Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 The entry route is basically non-existent though, isn’t it? Even a majority of managers who come through being someone’s assistant/coach has generally played the game at some level (even if it’s like Mourinho and an incredibly poor one). If Joe Bloggs left school and completed a sports degree, put himself through his FA coaching badges and ran a Sunday league team, he’d never be considered for any sort of role above non-league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Isn't it significant that not a single player under Ferguson has become a successful manager? Roy Keene? Bully Beckam? - no Scholes? no Giggs? Hardly Bruce? Don't make me laugh! Or am I missing somebody? Good or even great players do not make good or great managers.... Keegan? I stand corrected on this. I think he's very much the exception that proves the rule though... TBF Keegan wasn't your typical footballer. He always had way more charisma than the rest. Don't think he ever intended to go into management. Maybe that's the problem with footballers that go on to become managers, they're groomed for it, by people that know fuck all (or maybe they assume too much) about what it takes. Think the reflection on Ferguson kinda demonstrates that. He's remembered for the hairdryer, as much as developing some of the world's greatest football talent. But the hairdryer is just one tool in his arsenal, which he used sparingly and to great effect. He was able to use it sparingly, because the rest of his arsenal meant it was rarely required. He's also remembered as uncharismatic, but in his own circle he is highly cherished. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absolute Elsewhere Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 This cunt still here ffs. Despise him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCK Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Maybe he's hoping to be able to work from home, which I believe he has registered as somewhere in Quorum Business Park, Newcastle upon Tyne, NE12 8BU Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 This cunt still here ffs. Despise him Just put him on ignore. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 This cunt still here ffs. Despise him Just put him on ignore. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Isn't it significant that not a single player under Ferguson has become a successful manager? Roy Keene? Bully Beckam? - no Scholes? no Giggs? Hardly Bruce? Don't make me laugh! Or am I missing somebody? Good or even great players do not make good or great managers.... Keegan? I stand corrected on this. I think he's very much the exception that proves the rule though... Zidane, Guardiola and Conte are others that quickly come to mind. Conte wasn't a great player. He was good, not much more. You could argue that Zidane and Guardiola aren't great managers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalove Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 How? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Cheesy Beans Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 How? I think he’s referring to the fact they landed great jobs in great teams immediately and didn’t necessarily need to prove their managerial credentials first. That said, they’ve both done amazingly well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalove Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 I’d still class them as great managers. Zidane won three Champions leagues. Peps won multiple league titles and created the greatest team of all time. If that isn’t great then I don’t know what is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menace Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Isn't it significant that not a single player under Ferguson has become a successful manager? Roy Keene? Bully Beckam? - no Scholes? no Giggs? Hardly Bruce? Don't make me laugh! Or am I missing somebody? Good or even great players do not make good or great managers.... Keegan? I stand corrected on this. I think he's very much the exception that proves the rule though... Zidane, Guardiola and Conte are others that quickly come to mind. Conte wasn't a great player. He was good, not much more. You could argue that Zidane and Guardiola aren't great managers. That's enough internet for today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hhtoon Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Isn't it significant that not a single player under Ferguson has become a successful manager? Roy Keene? Bully Beckam? - no Scholes? no Giggs? Hardly Bruce? Don't make me laugh! Or am I missing somebody? Good or even great players do not make good or great managers.... Keegan? I stand corrected on this. I think he's very much the exception that proves the rule though... Zidane, Guardiola and Conte are others that quickly come to mind. Conte wasn't a great player. He was good, not much more. You could argue that Zidane and Guardiola aren't great managers. Save it for the Ben Arfa thread Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Isn't it significant that not a single player under Ferguson has become a successful manager? Roy Keene? Bully Beckam? - no Scholes? no Giggs? Hardly Bruce? Don't make me laugh! Or am I missing somebody? Good or even great players do not make good or great managers.... Keegan? I stand corrected on this. I think he's very much the exception that proves the rule though... Zidane, Guardiola and Conte are others that quickly come to mind. Conte wasn't a great player. He was good, not much more. You could argue that Zidane and Guardiola aren't great managers. Right up there as one of the most stupid posts in the history of N-O! I thought you were fucking joking, yo! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Isn't it significant that not a single player under Ferguson has become a successful manager? Roy Keene? Bully Beckam? - no Scholes? no Giggs? Hardly Bruce? Don't make me laugh! Or am I missing somebody? Good or even great players do not make good or great managers.... Keegan? I stand corrected on this. I think he's very much the exception that proves the rule though... Zidane, Guardiola and Conte are others that quickly come to mind. Conte wasn't a great player. He was good, not much more. You could argue that Zidane and Guardiola aren't great managers. That's enough internet for today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Is Zidane a great manager or just a competent one with enough gravitas and strength of character to lead the most famous team in the world? How much does he actually interfere? Genuine questions btw. Barely follow Spanish football these days. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Guardiola himself said his success was done to the likes of Messi, Xavi and Iniesta. What has he done without them? You can also fuck off about Zidane as he had the BBC. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Cheesy Beans Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Didn’t know Zidane was well supported by Eastenders. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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sh74 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Didn’t know Zidane was well supported by Eastenders. Or a dark coloured man sausage. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalove Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Guardiola himself said his success was done to the likes of Messi, Xavi and Iniesta. What has he done without them? You can also f*** off about Zidane as he had the BBC. Won league titles with record point tallies and completely changed how the game is played. And three champions leagues with any team is impressive Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Guardiola himself said his success was done to the likes of Messi, Xavi and Iniesta. What has he done without them? You can also f*** off about Zidane as he had the BBC. Won league titles with record point tallies and completely changed how the game is played. And three champions leagues with any team is impressive Yeah, won league titles with Messi, Inesita, Xavi, etc! He didn't complete change the game, his philosophy is largely influenced by Cruyff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalove Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 They all had their best seasons under Pep. Turned them in to the greatest team of all time. He literally couldn’t have done anymore with that team. It’s not as easy as you make out Alex Ferguson had just about all the resources he wanted and didn’t build a team as good as that. Mourinho went in to Chelsea with an open cheque book similar to Pep at city, couldn’t get near the points tallies Pep has amassed on a regular basis. Peps philosophy is of course influenced by Cruyff, Bielsa too. But none of them had the same influence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 They all had their best seasons under Pep. Turned them in to the greatest team of all time. He literally couldn’t have done anymore with that team. It’s not as easy as you make out Alex Ferguson had just about all the resources he wanted and didn’t build a team as good as that. Mourinho went in to Chelsea with an open cheque book similar to Pep at city, couldn’t get near the points tallies Pep has amassed on a regular basis. Peps philosophy is of course influenced by Cruyff, Bielsa too. But none of them had the same influence. It was pep that moved Messi to being more central, also made Iniesta into a integral part of the side. They were pretty awful in the season before he joined, finished 4th. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickMack Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 How on earth are we discussing Alex Fergusons and Peps flaws on the Steve f*cking Bruce thread? Hated the fella but Ferguson knew how to create longevity, he kept recreating teams that won. Apart from his first 5 they dominated this country for about 20 years, and he built it himself, to me he’s probably the greatest manager that ever lived. I think Pep is a great manager, he’s always took over when there was money or a very strong team, he has done it in 3 countries now, but he’s got to do it for 15 more years before he can be compared to Ferguson. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Jinx Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 Can’t really argue about Ferguson, as much as I still dislike the bastard. He was once asked in an interview what the secret to his success was and he quickly answered “delegation” He hired good coaches to do the hard work, the difference between the success those coaches had at Man Utd and the lack of success elsewhere is down to a total lack of respect by the players. At Man Utd Ferguson’s shadow lurked over the whole set up, players respected and feared him, like boys trying to impress a parent. This respect extended to his coaching setup. Without the protection of Fergie those same people folded elsewhere. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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