Alberto2005 Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 1 minute ago, hakka said: Amazed people want shot of ASM so easily. We need to keep the quality we have and replace the poorer quality players first. For a wide forward position I'd rather move on Ritchie, Fraser or even Murphy ahead of ASM. We all would, unfortunately those players will bring in a sum of fuck all. I guess the idea is if FFP is calculated per year based on contract length then getting £35m for someone like ASM can go a long way to increasing our spending power short term. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 If (genuine) numbers like £35m+ are being thrown about then I'd honestly let him go. We need to trade and he's valuable, out of contract soon(ish) and injury-prone. He's been mint but I've always classed him as expendable and replaceable Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shak Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 Massively torn. Really would love to see him get a chance to play for us in the CL, feels he's fully bought in to Howe and knows he's not likely to be moving anywhere better if he does leave. With our lack of quality on the wings, he seems like a must keep? HOWEVER, if there's a Saudi club coming in offering a generous price for him I don't know how we say no. We're seemingly tight for FFP and selling him would give us some massive breathing room to do business this year. Could probably add two or three very good players and break even this year on FFP from an ASM sale. Give us time to grow our revenue in the next couple of years until we're at the point we don't have to make such moves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloGeordio Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 Just now, Shak said: Massively torn. Really would love to see him get a chance to play for us in the CL, feels he's fully bought in to Howe and knows he's not likely to be moving anywhere better if he does leave. With our lack of quality on the wings, he seems like a must keep? HOWEVER, if there's a Saudi club coming in offering a generous price for him I don't know how we say no. We're seemingly tight for FFP and selling him would give us some massive breathing room to do business this year. Could probably add two or three very good players and break even this year on FFP from an ASM sale. Give us time to grow our revenue in the next couple of years until we're at the point we don't have to make such moves. Can the Saudi’s loan him straight back? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 (edited) Wouldn’t sell him anyway, but absolutely not to another PL team. Edited July 4, 2023 by AyeDubbleYoo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberto2005 Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 (edited) If hypothetically our budget was only £75m, then how does the Tonali signing contribute to that? Is it literally just £11m per year for the transfer fee, and then whatever top on wages? Assuming his wages are around £6m a year he's cost us around £17m this season? I'm sure that's wrong as that would leave us with around £55m to spend, which would mean we could sign around another 3 Tonali's. Edited July 4, 2023 by Alberto2005 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hakka Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 22 minutes ago, Alberto2005 said: We all would, unfortunately those players will bring in a sum of fuck all. I guess the idea is if FFP is calculated per year based on contract length then getting £35m for someone like ASM can go a long way to increasing our spending power short term. But that's selling to replace what your selling, sort of defeats the point. It's unlikely we will replace ASM for like for like quality and have money for another player that adds the kind of quality we are aiming for. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 1 hour ago, hakka said: Amazed people want shot of ASM so easily. We need to keep the quality we have and replace the poorer quality players first. For a wide forward position I'd rather move on Ritchie, Fraser or even Murphy ahead of ASM. He's the only player who hasn't progressed under Eddie. I can't see him improving and he's too inconsistent. We were always going to have to sell players to improve this squad and rather him that anyone else tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberto2005 Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 My main gripe with ASM isn't his inconsistency, it's the fact he's injured every other game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 (edited) It's 90 minutes and so belongs very firmly in the Twitter bullshit thread, not least because the prat who runs it has a weird dislike for ASM. Edited July 4, 2023 by Kid Icarus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tina Tooner Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 1 hour ago, hakka said: Amazed people want shot of ASM so easily. We need to keep the quality we have and replace the poorer quality players first. For a wide forward position I'd rather move on Ritchie, Fraser or even Murphy ahead of ASM. Its to do with money more than anything. We could get north of 30m for him and invest it in weak positions LB/RW. We already have Gordon/Isak/Joelinton/Willock who can play that LW. You aint getting much money for Ritchie/Fraser/Murphy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazarus Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 If maxi did go Id want £60m minimum but he'd have to be immediately replaced. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amir_9 Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 (edited) Maxi holds a place in my heart due to the fact he was our talisman when it was gutter shit under Ashley. I would rather give him one more season to prove himself in terms of fitness and form rather than get rid now. Even if it means this failing and then selling for less money in a year. I understand this is a sentimental stance and some people would rather sell, invest and go full steam ahead now rather than later. Honestly I would consider us winning something like the League Cup but finishing 5th/6th in the league next season as steady trajectory. We won't have Liverpool and Chelsea being that crap again this year anyway. Hence why I would like to see him given one final chance. Edited July 4, 2023 by Amir_9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 Let him go to Saudi for £100 million, the complaints from the other EPL clubs will be glorious. Us fans could even chuck in some fake sympathy on Talksport. "Well I suppose if he's getting first team football every week it's a good move" just as Hayden, Hendrick and Fraser are signing deals worth £30 million each. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 From what I understand of our FFP position, we do need to raise some revenue if we're going to strengthen the squad as much as we can this window. ASM is the only one who would fetch a significant fee. For me, the decision is clear. And aside from his injury problems, yes I do think he's over-rated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledGeordie Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Cronky said: From what I understand of our FFP position, we do need to raise some revenue if we're going to strengthen the squad as much as we can this window. ASM is the only one who would fetch a significant fee. For me, the decision is clear. And aside from his injury problems, yes I do think he's over-rated. If they can get a reasonable fee I think they’ll sell but that’s been the issue but the Saudi option would get over the fee issue it seems. If he can stay fit which is his major issue I think he could play a prominent role this season particularly in the champions league. I do have my doubts about his fitness but in general I’m pretty laid back about whether he stays or goes really. Edited July 5, 2023 by ExiledGeordie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
matta Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 (edited) I believe our new and better coaching/physio/sporting setup can help Maxi keep fit. And when fit and in form he's great. The level he performed against Manchester City was just fantastic. It might be unrealistic to think that can happen regulary, but i really rate him. If he can stay fit, i rate him above most other left wingers. Edited July 5, 2023 by matta Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 All this talk about a Saudi move… I’d be surprised if ASM was even remotely interested in going there, what with being a Christian and probably feeling he has stuff to prove in the PL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonjam88 Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 24 minutes ago, matta said: I believe our new and better coaching/physio/sporting setup can help Maxi keep fit. And when fit and in form he's great. The level he performed against Manchester City was just fantastic. It might be unrealistic to think that can happen regulary, but i really rate him. If he can stay fit, i rate him above most other left wingers. That was one game through the whole season. Yes he has got better creating chances but for me he just isn’t available enough. If selling Maxi meant we could get another 2 possibly 3 quality players surely it’s worth it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pata Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 You can’t just tell a youngish player that we are selling you to Saudi Arabia ffs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GEFAFWISP Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 I see we're into human trafficking now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawalls Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 1 hour ago, Toonjam88 said: That was one game through the whole season. Yes he has got better creating chances but for me he just isn’t available enough. If selling Maxi meant we could get another 2 possibly 3 quality players surely it’s worth it. Agreed - no brainier for me personally. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GEFAFWISP Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 It's a bit of nonsense thinking we're going to get 2/3 quality players from the supposed £35 million he'd bring in. Yes he's a saleable asset, no the money gained likely won't get you someone of a similar level. Keep and play, shouldn't really be a consideration unless a better winger falls into our lap. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 If Saudi offer 40m+ for Maxi, you take it. Its too much money for an unreliable player. If massively helps our FFP. We can replace him and set ourselves up nicely for other windows. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pata Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 Yeah, you can’t replace ASM with £30-35m. I see no reason to create another hole in the squad just because he’s a lazy French cunt according to some. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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