Sibierski Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 15 hours ago, TRon said: How do these transfers to Saudi work? Is it normal just to play one season then move on somewhere else? Probably not for most, but ASM was only signed in fairness to help us make other signings Taking up a slot at a top club, so move him on and get better named players in. Need Almiron / Wilson willing to do same. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloGeordio Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffee_Johnny Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 €8m one season loan, one year after €27.2m transfer. Thought they must have permanently signed him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 Injured himself in training too Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperFlat Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 Proper Fenerbahce player, like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted August 6 Share Posted August 6 Starts tonight in champions league qualifier v Lille Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GideonShandy Posted August 6 Share Posted August 6 5 hours ago, gdm said: Starts tonight in champions league qualifier v Lille Hauled off after 70 mins. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffee_Johnny Posted August 7 Share Posted August 7 7 hours ago, GideonShandy said: Hauled off after 70 mins. 😂 I nearly posted the same (with tongue equally in cheek) we must be polluting each other’s minds in here! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonBez comesock Posted August 7 Share Posted August 7 8 hours ago, GideonShandy said: Hauled off after 70 mins. He will fall out with Jose before Christmas Drop to the bench / bit part player inevitable!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudwiser Posted August 7 Share Posted August 7 Was he any use? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucasol Posted August 7 Share Posted August 7 6 minutes ago, spudwiser said: Was he any use? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Jinx Posted August 7 Share Posted August 7 6 minutes ago, spudwiser said: Was he any use? He was unplayable in some games. Very few players in world football have that in their locker. He’s underachieved throughout his career though.. and include coming here to Mike Ashley’s NUFC w/ Steve Bruce at the helm. There’s a reason why the big clubs never wanted to sign him which is same reason why we upgraded that position first chance we got. It’s more down to consistency than work ethic or “being a team player”. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawK Posted August 7 Share Posted August 7 14 minutes ago, Dr Jinx said: He was unplayable in some games. Very few players in world football have that in their locker. He’s underachieved throughout his career though.. and include coming here to Mike Ashley’s NUFC w/ Steve Bruce at the helm. There’s a reason why the big clubs never wanted to sign him which is same reason why we upgraded that position first chance we got. It’s more down to consistency than work ethic or “being a team player”. I was surprised to see Maxi's goals per game isn't that far off some of our other notable French wingers/attackers : Hatem : 72 apps 12 goals Ginola : 58 apps 6 goals Robert : 129 apps 22 goals Maxi : 111 apps 12 goals Can't see the assists though. Statistics need context, and the context here is that often Maxi was the sole ball carrier and goal threat at times, he got so much more of the ball due to the lack of quality around him whereas the other players in this list had less share of the ball. Any of the other players in this list above would have probably scored many more goals if they were the only threat or ball carrier in their team - Hatem/Ba/Cisse, Ginola/Beardsley/Ferdinand/Lee, Robert/Shearer/Solano/Lee, Maxi/Perez/Rondon/Wilson Puts Gordon in a good light : Gordon : 51 apps 12 goals in a team with Bruno/Isak/Trippier as the main ball carriers/threats. I hadn't realised how prolific Gordon was when compared to Hatem and Robert. He's actually beating Robert for goals per game, and has fantastic work-rate off the ball. Maxi has good qualities but just isn't an elite player, and as you say @Dr Jinx, if he was he wouldn't be playing for Fenerbache. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Posted August 7 Share Posted August 7 He never developed a real footballing brain, and that sadly kept him a long way away from being in any elite category. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 7 Share Posted August 7 Most managers don't want a maverick, that's the sad truth. They just want people who will follow the plan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Jinx Posted August 7 Share Posted August 7 20 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: Most managers don't want a maverick, that's the sad truth. They just want people who will follow the plan. Not Steve Bruce though.. because there was no plan! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudwiser Posted August 7 Share Posted August 7 3 hours ago, Dr Jinx said: He was unplayable in some games. Very few players in world football have that in their locker. He’s underachieved throughout his career though.. and include coming here to Mike Ashley’s NUFC w/ Steve Bruce at the helm. There’s a reason why the big clubs never wanted to sign him which is same reason why we upgraded that position first chance we got. It’s more down to consistency than work ethic or “being a team player”. Sorry, I mean was he any use last night! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
80 Posted August 7 Share Posted August 7 In fairness to Maxi I think he was getting there under Howe. But I don't think his body could physically stand up to what was being asked of him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mighty__mag Posted August 7 Share Posted August 7 5 hours ago, JonBez comesock said: He will fall out with Jose before Christmas Drop to the bench / bit part player inevitable!! I don't think it's always the player, Jose simply frustrates players, he's had a habit at many clubs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pata Posted August 7 Share Posted August 7 5 hours ago, HawK said: he got so much more of the ball due to the lack of quality around him whereas the other players in this list had less share of the ball. Any of the other players in this list above would have probably scored many more goals if they were the only threat or ball carrier in their team Also works the other way. If he’s the only threat it’s easy to commit defenders to him. ASM was so often doubled or tripled when he had the ball, I really don’t see it as an advantage. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawK Posted August 7 Share Posted August 7 42 minutes ago, Pata said: Also works the other way. If he’s the only threat it’s easy to commit defenders to him. ASM was so often doubled or tripled when he had the ball, I really don’t see it as an advantage. Yep you're right. But my memory of ASM is a head-down player who often chose to run into those blind alleys rather than have a bit of nous and lay it off for a one two to exploit the space from the double-up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mahoneys Tache Posted August 7 Share Posted August 7 6 hours ago, HawK said: Yep you're right. But my memory of ASM is a head-down player who often chose to run into those blind alleys rather than have a bit of nous and lay it off for a one two to exploit the space from the double-up Ketsbaia with panache. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeordieDazzler Posted August 7 Share Posted August 7 Seems like an appropriate thread for this This is NOT ending well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamPS Posted August 7 Share Posted August 7 13 hours ago, HawK said: I was surprised to see Maxi's goals per game isn't that far off some of our other notable French wingers/attackers : Hatem : 72 apps 12 goals Ginola : 58 apps 6 goals Robert : 129 apps 22 goals Maxi : 111 apps 12 goals Can't see the assists though. Statistics need context, and the context here is that often Maxi was the sole ball carrier and goal threat at times, he got so much more of the ball due to the lack of quality around him whereas the other players in this list had less share of the ball. Any of the other players in this list above would have probably scored many more goals if they were the only threat or ball carrier in their team - Hatem/Ba/Cisse, Ginola/Beardsley/Ferdinand/Lee, Robert/Shearer/Solano/Lee, Maxi/Perez/Rondon/Wilson Puts Gordon in a good light : Gordon : 51 apps 12 goals in a team with Bruno/Isak/Trippier as the main ball carriers/threats. I hadn't realised how prolific Gordon was when compared to Hatem and Robert. He's actually beating Robert for goals per game, and has fantastic work-rate off the ball. Maxi has good qualities but just isn't an elite player, and as you say @Dr Jinx, if he was he wouldn't be playing for Fenerbache. Robert and Ginolas jobs were to stick crosses on the heads of strikers in a 442 era so can’t be judged without looking at assists. I don’t know the stats so maybe I’m wrong but my guess is ASMs assists are pretty poor in comparison. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conjo Posted August 7 Share Posted August 7 15 minutes ago, WilliamPS said: Robert and Ginolas jobs were to stick crosses on the heads of strikers in a 442 era so can’t be judged without looking at assists. I don’t know the stats so maybe I’m wrong but my guess is ASMs assists are pretty poor in comparison. Ginola had 16 in 76 appearances and ASM 21 in 124 appearances so not a massive difference. 13 hours ago, HawK said: Can't see the assists though. Statistics need context, and the context here is that often Maxi was the sole ball carrier and goal threat at times, he got so much more of the ball due to the lack of quality around him whereas the other players in this list had less share of the ball. Any of the other players in this list above would have probably scored many more goals if they were the only threat or ball carrier in their team - Hatem/Ba/Cisse, Ginola/Beardsley/Ferdinand/Lee, Robert/Shearer/Solano/Lee, Maxi/Perez/Rondon/Wilson Playing a bit of devils advocate here, but couldn't you also say that it should be easier to do well in a better team? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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