Wolfcastle Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 2 hours ago, ManDoon said: This is Laurent Robert syndrome again. Are we the only fan base who regularly does this? Course not. The only similar player I can think of that never got it was Le-Tissier at Southampton. Far better players than ASM have had it - Gazza, Baggio, Yeboah, Beardsley with Liverpool/England, Liam Brady, Glenn Hoddle, Waddle, Gullit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 2 hours ago, loki679 said: With a player like ASM or HBA or Ginola or Robert it's all about the ratios. If they're only turning it on once every 10 games then no matter how good they are you're better off without them. ASM is kind of on the edge of that ratio right now so it's understandable that people get frustrated with him. A good run of games and a bit of decent coaching on when to release the ball and when to hold it and he'll be magic and all this will be forgotten. I don't get the impression he really wants to listen and learn and absorb knowledge. Pretty sure it's been said he gets fined all the time. He's far better than our other options, but I wouldn't be shocked if Howe would prefer someone a bit more coachable if he had the choice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRC Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 There is a good chance he isn't our best/star player next year, so it will be about how we adapts to that. He has the talent to have any career he wants its up to him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 3 minutes ago, Wolfcastle said: Course not. The only similar player I can think of that never got it was Le-Tissier at Southampton. Far better players than ASM have had it - Gazza, Baggio, Yeboah, Beardsley with Liverpool/England, Liam Brady, Glenn Hoddle, Waddle, Gullit My first experience of it was with Ginola and that was when we were going for the league title. You're right, it doesn't matter how good we are, any player like that will get the same criticism from the same people. I think it was Leffe who use to have that quote about Glenn Hoddle as his signature: a luxury player is the player that can't do what he can do. Someone who can't see a pass and keeps giving the ball away, they're the luxury players, not Glenn Hoddle. Something like that. Spot on imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 I can understand starting Fraser over him tbf like. But that would be if we had other forwards than Wood and Murphy. Currently if fit and the fixture list allows it they should both obviously start Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 Suited the low block and give it to ASM on the counter approach of Bruce ball. With Howe's more organised and disciplined pressing approach, I don't think he'll make the adjustment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfcastle Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 6 hours ago, Kid Icarus said: My first experience of it was with Ginola and that was when we were going for the league title. You're right, it doesn't matter how good we are, any player like that will get the same criticism from the same people. I think it was Leffe who use to have that quote about Glenn Hoddle as his signature: a luxury player is the player that can't do what he can do. Someone who can't see a pass and keeps giving the ball away, they're the luxury players, not Glenn Hoddle. Something like that. Spot on imo. Have vague memories of Mirandinha being in the same boat back end of 88/89. Whilst obviously our best player ability wise - the crowd were mixed between happy and peed off if he wasn't selected. Always some toxicity either way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 wouldnt be surprised if we accepted a big bid for him from abroad this summer if we bought another high quality left sded midfielder as i dont think Maxi would stay if he was going to be back up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outremont Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 I am sorry but what is going on with him? There is no discernible injury that the club has described. He is just not playing. Is there psychological or fatigue issues at play? Pathetic by the club, unless they are masking a real issue here for privacy reasons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty66 Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 Has he started since he went off to France? Not sure what all that was about tbh, think he did it a few times under Bruce too? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outremont Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 More concerned with card games than being fit for games I’m afraid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 I'd sell him in the summer. One good game every 6 or 7 weeks, we should be aiming far higher. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantail Breeze Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 Only a matter of time before that happened. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlymouthGeordie Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 I am sick of him lately. So greedy and not prepared to put the hard yards in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiotes Witch Doctor Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 Would look to move him on in the summer. Not the sort of character and attitude we want and is vastly over rated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 He’s not long for this world under Howe, like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newcastle Fan Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 Should've just fucking started him today, there was no need to see Almiron play again after Chelsea. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pata Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mighty__mag Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 (edited) Fuck off wankers. Idiots begging for ASM, "get Miggy off," "We need ASM on"..... Now head to point the finger, exactly as I predicted. Chris Wood played the whole fucking game, he's diabolical, I'm not in his thread talking him down or looking to blame him for our unfortunate loss. Absolute blimps in here. Edited March 17, 2022 by mighty__mag Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 2 games on the bounce where we've brought him on at 0-0 and we look worse as a team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 I really don’t think he is suddenly shite and we need to get rid. But that is two games in a row where he has come on and we have ended up worse for it. The team looks unsure what to do, we force it to him when he is being triple marked and the workrate out wide understandably drops off. We really need to work the ball better and find the players in space that he is freeing up. It’s all a bit one dimensional once he is on. Love the bloke. Got Allan sent off. But was also weak as piss for the goal. The defence parting like the red sea wasn’t really ideal, mind. Seems better from the start of games when he can find his rhythm. Might be over-thinking it. But I do wonder if he fits into this current Howe set up. Built on the high press and workrate. We are better with the ball now and not just playing on the counter every game. All a bit of a mystery. Hope we can get him back in the team and firing. As he is a joy to watch when he’s on it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 Start him from the off if he's going to be used or keep him out. Always seems way off the pace when he comes on. Like he hasn't warmed up. Thought he was mostly ineffective and for the most part got tackled or pushed off the ball. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrenBartonCentrePartin Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 Everton were down to 10 and sitting deep. For all his speed, he's not going to go past three or four players in front of him without someone getting a foot in. I said it after Chelsea, but he's not really suited to be an impact sub. If he's coming on 10 minutes into the second half, it's not as bad but if you're looking to win or get back into a game around the 75-minute mark, the opposition are going to be set up very differently than they were at kick off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Pardew Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 I’d rather have him starting games and playing for 60 minutes instead of these substitutions in tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 Just now, WarrenBartonCentrePartin said: Everton were down to 10 and sitting deep. For all his speed, he's not going to go past three or four players in front of him without someone getting a foot in. I said it after Chelsea, but he's not really suited to be an impact sub. If he's coming on 10 minutes into the second half, it's not as bad but if you're looking to win or get back into a game around the 75-minute mark, the opposition are going to be set up very differently than they were at kick off. And yet instead of moving the ball and trying to find pockets of space he just runs into them all anyway and loses the ball. He is so one dimensional. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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