Dr.Spaceman Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 1 minute ago, relámpago blanco said: Aye, but Chelsea dont buy at market prices nor do Benfica sell at them. There are probably rules around the prices, you probably have to cite a similar example. If ASM played for Portugal we no doubt could have said 50M but as he is not an international (I was using Neves as an example as I think him and ASM are similar profile caps aside). There will be rules around there having to cite an example and it will involve international caps and age. International football has never been a good barometer as to how valuable someone is in club football. David Ginola and Laurent Robert are some of the best left wingers the PL has ever seen and they barely played for France, so they'd be worth much less than someone like James McFadden? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 8 minutes ago, relámpago blanco said: Aye, but Chelsea dont buy at market prices nor do Benfica sell at them. There are probably rules around the prices, you probably have to cite a similar example. If ASM played for Portugal we no doubt could have said 50M but as he is not an international (I was using Neves as an example as I think him and ASM are similar profile caps aside). There will be rules around there having to cite an example and it will involve international caps and age. Pepe to Arsenal must be under scrutiny Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 2 minutes ago, Ben said: Pepe to Arsenal must be under scrutiny Grealish at the time. That's notbsaying he's worth that now just that fee skewed others in the market Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 (edited) As if fair market value even exists The game is long past that point thanks to the same people now crying foul that someone else doing less than what they've done for years and which is now apparently beyond the pale because Allan Saint Maximin is being sold for £35m. Unless ASM went for over £60m there would be nothing that couldn't be justified by pointing at a long list of ineffective players who've done nothing and gone for insane amounts of money. I don't like us being owned by SA and I don't like states owning clubs, as well as a whole host of other things that are ruining the game. But other clubs whinging on to the PL about 'fair market value' with a completely straight face can fuck clean off like. Edited July 22, 2023 by Kid Icarus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pata Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Dr.Spaceman said: International football has never been a good barometer as to how valuable someone is in club football. David Ginola and Laurent Robert are some of the best left wingers the PL has ever seen and they barely played for France, so they'd be worth much less than someone like James McFadden? Yeah and ASM getting caps would've been more likely if he was Portuguese and not French, same as Robert and Ginola. I strongly disagree with the idea that many seem to have that caps should affect a transfer fee or players value. It's actually better for the buying team if national team's coach doesn't fancy a player and he can be rested during international breaks. Just a stupid example but Botman still has no caps while Maguire and Dier are regulars for one of the biggest national teams. Edited July 22, 2023 by Pata Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 The dodgiest dealing for me in recent times was Wolves splurging £40mil on Fabio Silva as he was a Mendes player They're now struggling massively financially Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 2 minutes ago, Pata said: Yeah and ASM getting caps would've been more likely if he was Portuguese and not French, same as Robert and Ginola. I strongly disagree with the idea that many seem to have that caps should affect a transfer fee or players value. It's actually better for the buying team if national team's coach doesn't fancy a player and he can be rested during international breaks. Just a stupid example but Botman still has no caps while Maguire and Dier are regulars for one of the biggest national teams. How do you objectively measure that though, that's my point. You have to remove all elements of guesswork and subjective BS when rulemaking, surely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
et tu brute Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 11 minutes ago, madras said: Grealish at the time. That's notbsaying he's worth that now just that fee skewed others in the market Rice now, there is no way he is worth anywhere near 100 million Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
relámpago blanco Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 12 minutes ago, Pata said: Yeah and ASM getting caps would've been more likely if he was Portuguese and not French, same as Robert and Ginola. I strongly disagree with the idea that many seem to have that caps should affect a transfer fee or players value. It's actually better for the buying team if national team's coach doesn't fancy a player and he can be rested during international breaks. Just a stupid example but Botman still has no caps while Maguire and Dier are regulars for one of the biggest national teams. I'm not saying it should but I bet it's in the premier leagues criteria and that's why I mentioned it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonsays Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 Whats next though? Will they decide if a player is worth the wages they are on? Im assuming most would say Harry Maguire isnt worth 200k+ a week, but Man utd were prepared to pay it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pata Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 14 minutes ago, Dr.Spaceman said: How do you objectively measure that though, that's my point. You have to remove all elements of guesswork and subjective BS when rulemaking, surely. My point too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ9 Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 (edited) Bullshit, basically. It’s pretty clear the scousers are hurting and are scared of us. Petty little crooks. Edited July 22, 2023 by AJ9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 It’s a non-starter. Doesn’t make the debate and the attempt to ‘moralise’ the issue for the integrity of the game any less tedious and pathetic. It might be something that clubs could make a case about if we were a club scrapping around the championship or bottom of the PL and we made a huge value sale on a player who was a nothing player. What would be the argument here? We’ve gotten into the champions league and sold a player whose stats are strong and who’s widely regarded as an extremely talented player in the league. The whole thing’s absurd Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McDog Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 Honestly, it would have to be pretty egregious for anyone to look at it seriously. This looks exactly market value which as others have said is difficult to know in the first place. Were the fee 100M then eyebrows would get raised. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt1892 Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 It is more likely to be a shot across the bows rather than having an issue specifically with ASM’s fee. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miggys First Goal Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 PIF should sue Liverpool and Spurs into oblivion. Make them go bust. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McDog Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 2 minutes ago, Miggys First Goal said: PIF should sue Liverpool and Spurs into oblivion. Make them go bust. Nothing has happened and it would be the PL they would sue should they pull some crazy shit based on their complaints. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 7 minutes ago, Miggys First Goal said: PIF should sue Liverpool and Spurs into oblivion. Make them go bust. The best revenge would be to keep them out of the top 4 again Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McDog Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 Just now, Skeletor said: The best revenge would be to keep them out of the top 4 again We can all get behind that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawK Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 Just use some selective FBRef stats to quote 'fair value', on progressive carries per 90 and succesful take-ons per 90 he must be worth at least £700m tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slim Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 Sorry a bit late, have people discussed who is better ASM or Barnes? Hopefully this could set off a good chat. Thank you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 1 minute ago, Slim said: Sorry a bit late, have people discussed who is better ASM or Barnes? Hopefully this could set off a good chat. Thank you That’s a tough one. On one hand you have a player who scores goals for fun from the LW position. On the other hand you have a player who does some step overs and plays about 3 decent games a season. I don’t know which I’d pick. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McDog Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 Just now, Slim said: Sorry a bit late, have people discussed who is better ASM or Barnes? Hopefully this could set off a good chat. Thank you Yes, it was determined to be a 50/50 split. My opinion? Depends on what you are looking for in the player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ketsbaia Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 The audacity of these clubs, man Dodgy deal? We're getting underpaid for our only souce of flair! Genuinely a £40-50m player right now & the fee sounds nowhere near. They can get to fuck Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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