Guest NobbyOhNobby Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 Not trying to be antagonistic, but it would be nice if instead of automatically jumping to criticise all of the journalists and organisations 'coming out of the wood work' the people saying it could first do a quick Google search to check it's not actually their own awareness that's coming out of the woodwork and that they just haven't really paid any attention to the Saudi regime until it came into their world. Aye. Fans shouldn't feel the need to justify, distract or divert. This is our situation, it's different to every other football takeover in UK history due to it being a State purchase, and it's being played out in public. I feel more that our fans should just let the press get on with it, as a lot of people will be educated about the human rights abuses of the Saudi regime, and may begin to question things and be more aware. I passionately feel that our role in all of this is to celebrate the end of Ashley, be optimistic that our club might be worth supporting again, but be acutely aware who our new owners are and accept that that deserves as much scrutiny as possible whilst refraining from trying to contest that narrative. We don't need to find ways to justify this. That for me has been the biggest headache and has made a lot of our fanbase look irredeemably daft (particularly on fucking twitter). For example, loads of fans attacking Amnesty for being critical of the takeover is just insane. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 I actually find it rather depressing that such a fair percentage are so willing to deflect divert and distract already and it hasn't even gone through yet. If you want to just ignore the politics and try and enjoy the football I can respect that line of thinking but going after amnesty international and trying to claim journalists are just worried their club (insert whatever top 6 club you feel like) will lose a spot to NUFC so this must be stopped is such a ridiculous line of thinking. At the moment I'm just trying to say its a combination of lockdown boredom and general social media stupidity bringing out the loudest stupidest voices but god damn Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 Not trying to be antagonistic, but it would be nice if instead of automatically jumping to criticise all of the journalists and organisations 'coming out of the wood work' the people saying it could first do a quick Google search to check it's not actually their own awareness that's coming out of the woodwork and that they just haven't really paid any attention to the Saudi regime until it came into their world. Aye. Fans shouldn't feel the need to justify, distract or divert. This is our situation, it's different to every other football takeover in UK history due to it being a State purchase, and it's being played out in public. I feel more that our fans should just let the press get on with it, as a lot of people will be educated about the human rights abuses of the Saudi regime, and may begin to question things and be more aware. I passionately feel that our role in all of this is to celebrate the end of Ashley, be optimistic that our club might be worth supporting again, but be acutely aware who our new owners are and accept that that deserves as much scrutiny as possible whilst refraining from trying to contest that narrative. We don't need to find ways to justify this. That for me has been the biggest headache and has made a lot of our fanbase look irredeemably daft (particularly on f***ing twitter). For example, loads of fans attacking Amnesty for being critical of the takeover is just insane. Agree with all of that and the bit in bold is my bugbear too, particularly as 'support the team not the regime' has been the stance for years and fits the situation, but for some reason has been abandoned in favour of trying to justify it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 I actually find it rather depressing that such a fair percentage are so willing to deflect divert and distract already and it hasn't even gone through yet. If you want to just ignore the politics and try and enjoy the football I can respect that line of thinking but going after amnesty international and trying to claim journalists are just worried their club (insert whatever top 6 club you feel like) will lose a spot to NUFC so this must be stopped is such a ridiculous line of thinking. At the moment I'm just trying to say its a combination of lockdown boredom and general social media stupidity bringing out the loudest stupidest voices but god damn I think you're right, it's the stupidest people and the general sudden explosion of activity generating weird reactions. There's no need for us to defend what Saudi Arabia do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 and above all else why the fuck is a country allowed to own a football club Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLiaaamx Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 and above all else why the fuck is a country allowed to own a football club Everything can be nationalised, comrade. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 and above all else why the fuck is a country allowed to own a football club True but at the end of the day it comes down to money. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsley Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 I appreciate it will only take seconds for accusations of whataboutery, but if the PL blocked the takeover, surely they'd need to: (i) revisit the Man City takeover and/or (ii) actually include clear guidelines on what which entities are or are not acceptable as potential owners? It's not whataboutery where the PL is concerned though, it's precedent. The PL can't turn a blind eye to Amnesty and whoever else in one instance and then block a takeover on their counsel in another. As you say, if the takeover was to be blocked, you'd assume the same rules on ownership would have to be applied across the board. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
St1pe Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 One thing that’s pissing me off a little is how some journalists and other sets of fans are lambasting Newcastle fans for wanting this to happen. I don’t think you should underestimate how badly a huge proportion of our fan base feel about wanting rid of Ashley. He’s absolutely ripped the soul out of the club. We often get a passing mention in the media bar a few exceptions (Jake Humphreys springs to mind) but people don’t really give a s*** when it isn’t happening to their club do they. There is rightfully topics that need to be discussed but you can’t hold it against our fan base for desperately wanting rid of Ashley. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 Get rid of Ashley first. Then worry about the repercussions. After 13 years of false imprisonment I think we are at least due a chink of light at the end of the tunnel. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.manutd.com/en/amp/news/detail/manchester-united-agree-strategic-partnership-in-saudi-arabia Not a sniff when this happened. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 Google 'man united saudi', 'man united saudi october 2019', and 'man united saudi general sports authority' and you'll find that there was. https://www.google.com/search?q=man+united+saudi+partnership+october+2019&rlz=1C1GCEA_enGB866GB866&sxsrf=ALeKk02mfUO_vG-SI_oMgLbkaeRT1sJLBA:1587559608846&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjI5620iPzoAhWOiVwKHbABD4QQ_AUIDSgA&biw=1366&bih=625&dpr=1 https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1GCEA_enGB866GB866&biw=1366&bih=625&sxsrf=ALeKk02HfCGAQsVswxFR3x4Vcgi2GKMs9A%3A1587559618108&ei=wjygXqelBsWo8gLI54mQCA&q=man+united+saudi+general+sports+authority&oq=man+united+saudi+general+sports+authority&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQAzIFCCEQoAEyBQghEKABOgQIABBHOggIIRAWEB0QHjoHCCEQChCgAToECCEQFVDWmgJYg70CYLm-AmgAcAJ4AIAB6AGIAcISkgEGMTYuNy4xmAEAoAEBqgEHZ3dzLXdpeg&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwinjuO4iPzoAhVFlFwKHchzAoIQ4dUDCAw&uact=5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/11/04/manchester-united-fans-may-want-rid-club-glazers-sportswashing/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NobbyOhNobby Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 In summary, articles similar to the ones/topics being discussed about other clubs, other takeovers, or Saudi Arabia in general exist, but Newcastle fans haven't engaged with them because they didn't mention Newcastle. That doesn't mean they don't exist or there's now an agenda against Newcastle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 Not a sniff compared to what nufc is currently experiencing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 Not a sniff compared to what nufc is currently experiencing. This has to be a wind up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEEJ Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 Not a sniff compared to what nufc is currently experiencing. The KSA weren't all but about to purchase a majority stake in MUFC though. I think it's a bit different. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 and the fact guess what theres no football on to report on so any football related news will get a lot more attention right now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RodneyCisse Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 and the fact guess what theres no football on to report on so any football related news will get a lot more attention right now Not to mention they’ll get as many if not more clicks off our supporters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 Not a sniff compared to what nufc is currently experiencing. Give it up, man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 Shock horror as opinion writers respond more to actual happenings than unsubstantiated rumour. I don't know what it is you want that is more scathing than that article I just posted - "to see the club in which they have made a huge emotional investment used as a vehicle for self-promotion by the most brutally repressive regime on Earth is beyond revolting... No-one with a conscience could cheerfully support the club were the Saudis to take up residence in the Old Trafford board room." That's much further than I would go and it's still not enough proof that this isn't a media storm that's all about Newcastle United, instead of all about Saudi Arabia. "He only wrote 1 article instead of 2! Must be a Manc!" I actually think some people are attempting to salve their own unease by doing this. Convince yourself that it's because everyone hates Newcastle and I suspect it's much easier to buy into quickly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_R Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 Important point but I'm seeing something quite disgusting in this and other threads relating to the takeover. Can people PLEASE stop putting an apostrophe in "Saudis" when talking about multiple Saudi people? "Saudi's", with an apostrophe, indicates something belongs to a single person or entity called Saudi, for example "This is Saudi's pen", where the pen belongs to Saudi. Writing "We're being taken over by Saudi's" is nonsensical and offensive to my eyes. Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 Important point but I'm seeing something quite disgusting in this and other threads relating to the takeover. Can people PLEASE stop putting an apostrophe in "Saudis" when talking about multiple Saudi people? "Saudi's", with an apostrophe, indicates something belongs to a single person or entity called Saudi, for example "This is Saudi's pen", where the pen belongs to Saudi. Writing "We're being taken over by Saudi's" is nonsensical and offensive to my eyes. Thanks. Yup, this is the biggest issue we’ve got going on right now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_R Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 Thanks for agreeing with me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 I agree with Chri's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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