Gallowgate Toon Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 (edited) Being brutal, this window is probably our last chance to get good money for him and the pragmatic FFP choice would've been to try and move him on (if there was an interested party) over someone like ASM. Great season, minimal injury issues, some time left on the contract, mature player but not 'old' etc. Not all of those things will be true next summer. Toney would be the ideal replacement. Edited August 1, 2023 by Gallowgate Toon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 He's also vital to us. Something that ASM wasn't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nine Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 2 minutes ago, Sean said: He's also vital to us. Something that ASM wasn't. Replacing his goals alone wouldn’t be cost effective for us this window Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt1892 Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 We are quick to point out that Almiron had a bright month which inflated his figures but nearly 45% of Wilson’s league goals last season were scored in April. If we could get £30 million for him then I would sell him and invest in someone who will be the future, he is going to need replacing in the next couple of years anyway as he is 32 in February. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 ffs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 26 minutes ago, Gallowgate Toon said: Being brutal, this window is probably our last chance to get good money for him and the pragmatic FFP choice would've been to try and move him on (if there was an interested party) over someone like ASM. Great season, minimal injury issues, some time left on the contract, mature player but not 'old' etc. Not all of those things will be true next summer. Toney would be the ideal replacement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 If we're taking goals away from him during his good spells can we add goals on during his bad ones? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimbo Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 (edited) With the extra games and a fit Isak to rotate with, he’s going to score 20 in all competitions IMO. Selling is a nonsense idea. Edited August 1, 2023 by Kimbo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawK Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 I'm far from Wilson's biggest fan but he's absolutely indispensable to us right now. Isak hasn't proven he can be fit for the majority of the season and after Wilson we have nothing in terms of established strikers. He scores goals at a fantastic rate, he's an elite poacher. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_R Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 On 24/07/2023 at 23:42, RobsonsWonderland said: Seems to be the forgotten man on the forum but noticed he is closing in on Newcastle's 2nd top Premiership goal scorer (5 to beat the mighty Shola!). It amazing that only Shearer has got over 50? Would be great to see him do it this year as have a feeling it will be his last year here. Ferdinand - 2 seasons with us Cole - 1.5 seasons in the PL with us Ameobi - FOURTEEN YEARS OK, 1 was in the Championship, and he didn't start every match, but still. That's an average of 3.3 goals per season. From, on average, 24.5 games. By god those years were fucking grim. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bondedcrown Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 26 minutes ago, HawK said: I'm far from Wilson's biggest fan but he's absolutely indispensable to us right now. Isak hasn't proven he can be fit for the majority of the season and after Wilson we have nothing in terms of established strikers. He scores goals at a fantastic rate, he's an elite poacher. What don't you like about him? Your far fromm being his biggest fan! What are the main issues? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 (edited) 39 minutes ago, Kimbo said: With the extra games and a fit Isak to rotate with, he’s going to score 20 in all competitions IMO. Selling is a nonsense idea. From a pure footballing perspective, it sounds like a nonsense idea, but from an FFP-enforced view (which we appear to strictly be adhering to) it unfortunately isn't, is it? As we've seen with ASM this window, we will have to sell someone else in the next year who holds some decent value to continue to make room for future investment, unless we start going crazy with commercial deals for official pillow partners or make the CL again. Even then, I imagine we'll still have to make some sales. I love Wilson as well and would be way more gutted to see him go than I was Maxi, but he's one of the other saleable assets we have that could fetch money while having pretty big drawbacks around his long-term future (age, injuries). Feel like if we were Pep/City in this scenario, they'd be looking to make the move now, tbh. Edited August 1, 2023 by Gallowgate Toon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 2 minutes ago, Gallowgate Toon said: From a pure footballing perspective, it sounds like a nonsense idea, but from an FFP-enforced view which we appear to strictly be adhering to it unfortunately isn't, is it? As we've seen with ASM this window, we will have to sell someone else in the next year who holds some decent value to continue to make room for future investment, unless we start going crazy with commercial deals for official pillow partners(?) or make the CL again. Even then, I imagine we'll still have to make some sales. I love Wilson as well and would be way more gutted to see him go than I was Maxi, but he's one of the other saleable assets we have that could fetch money while having pretty big drawbacks around his long-term future (age, injuries). Feel like if we were Pep/City in this scenario, they'd be looking to make the move now, tbh. We’ve got plenty of wingers. We don’t have plenty of PL-capable centre forwards. His age doesn’t matter - getting rid of Wilson now would create an unnecessary headache. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 Maxi was 3rd choice last year and would be 5th choice this year. We sold him and replaced him with someone a similar age for more money. The idea we needed to sell him for FFP seems unlikely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 7 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: We’ve got plenty of wingers. We don’t have plenty of PL-capable centre forwards. His age doesn’t matter - getting rid of Wilson now would create an unnecessary headache. Yup, I'd agree that this summer would be a headache - I think he's a fantastic squad striker to have in our position. His age does matter though when it comes to our position with FFP, doesn't it? As we've seen this summer, we will likely need to sell to buy again at some point, but we presumably don't want to be selling Isak or Bruno as we want to meet competitive aims long-term. That then begs the question about who is the next eligible sale to help us progress and when is best to make our move to get as much out of that move as possible. If we're as FFP-obsessed as we appear to be, I'd be pretty shocked if the club aren't already considering when we'd be willing to cash in on a very good player who is starting to get older and has had significant injury issues so often in his career, tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebelrouser Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 18 minutes ago, Gallowgate Toon said: saleable assets we have that could fetch money We got £23m for ASM; we aren't replacing Wilson's 18 goals with what we could get for him. Transfermarkt has him at €16.00m (that has to be low right? even still). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Away Toon Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 Among the many problems with potentially selling Wilson is that we don't have another CF at the club. Don't make me spell it out for you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 1 hour ago, Matt1892 said: We are quick to point out that Almiron had a bright month which inflated his figures but nearly 45% of Wilson’s league goals last season were scored in April. If we could get £30 million for him then I would sell him and invest in someone who will be the future, he is going to need replacing in the next couple of years anyway as he is 32 in February. No one's going to give us £30m for a 31 year old striker who has a poor history with injuries. Realistically we might get £20m, and that's being optimistic. We are better off keeping him because he's still going to get goals at the top level for a couple more years and it would cost a bomb to replace him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menace Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 (edited) There is a huge shortage of strikers right now, we have one who gives us a 1 in 2 return. Why raise a problem that doesn't need raising? Wilson could easily play another 2-3 years Edited August 1, 2023 by Menace Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groundhog63 Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 1 hour ago, Bondedcrown said: What don't you like about him? Your far fromm being his biggest fan! What are the main issues? Probs isn't that good on twitter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conjo Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 He's at the age now where he's more valuable to us than what any remotely sensible club should be willing to pay for him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stottie Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 Based on what we paid for Chris Wood, Callum Wilson would theoretically be worth a lot to a team facing relegation and needing goals, cough, cough Everton. It looks like Wood might have been a British record at the time for an over 30 player, but has since been eclipsed by Casemiro and probably now some Saudi ones, if anyone wants to look them up. https://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/ranked-the-10-most-expensive-transfers-for-players-over-30-ever Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyn davies Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 I'd flog him, makes commercial sense, no time for sentiment, Gordon could do a bit of filling in and maybe one or two others bearing in mind when he was injured during the season, there's always another one that comes along. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stottie Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 fwiw, I would buy a young prospect with the idea of him being a future Wilson replacement, but would not sell Wilson. His strike rate is too high. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimbo Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 4 minutes ago, wyn davies said: I'd flog him, makes commercial sense, no time for sentiment, Gordon could do a bit of filling in and maybe one or two others bearing in mind when he was injured during the season, there's always another one that comes along. Good god this forum needs a signing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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