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55 minutes ago, midds said:

Aye it was the little scoop he did that fucked it. Had it just bounced off his forearm back into play or round the post he'd have probably got away with it. Just too much of a movement made it look deliberate, it's a bit tough on them. Then again it's Chelsea so fuck them. :aww:

The ball was going in, and he blocked it with his hand. Doesn't have to be "deliberate" and the movement after the touch doesn't matter. It's automatic red. 
Edit. He moves the hand there before, the weird scoop with his hand doesn't seem to hit the ball?

 

 

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Just now, ManDoon said:

Tuchel low key put on a masterclass of coaching in that game, they had basically the worst possible thing happen right before half time, away at Liverpool, and he completely nullified them second half. Really like him, despite the fact I think he might be a humanoid 

 

Yeah, getting that result at Anfield having held on for a whole half that well, is even further indication that Chelsea are big time contenders this season.

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For everyone (and every pundit) who says it doesn't have to be 'deliberate' here are BOTH parts of teh handball law in relation to red cards on goal line. 

 

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HANDLING THE BALL

For the purposes of determining handball offences, the upper boundary of the arm is in line with the bottom of the armpit. Not every touch of a player’s hand/arm with the ball is an offence.

It is an offence if a player: 

deliberately touches the ball with their hand/arm, for example moving the hand/arm towards the ball

 

Here it determines what counts as an offence in relation to a handball. The problem is people think 'deliberate' has to mean the player has a moment to think aha here i move my hand to stop the goal, whereas the example it gives makes it more clear it is meant merely that the player makes a movement with hand that blocks the ball rather than it bouncing directly off. This is ambiguous. However I think they see it as either ambiguous or you end up giving reds for every handball (nonsense imo just make it only pen unless its clearly unsportsmanlike behaviour rather than mere instinctive movement)

 

here is part 2 which I kept seeing quoted by those saying there is no 'deliberate' part and this is in relation to what the sanction should be

 

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SENDING-OFF OFFENCES

A player, substitute or substituted player who commits any of the following offences is sent off:

denying the opposing team a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity by a handball offence (except a goalkeeper within their penalty area)

 

This part makes no mention of it being deliberate. However what people who only read this part miss is that it is only an 'offence' if it is deliberate, see above.

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Crystal Palace under Vieira look like they will grind out results. Considering the amount of player upheaval over the summer, been an okay start.

 

More and more certain that we will have a guaranteed spot in that bottom 3 if Bruce stays on.

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6 hours ago, midds said:

That was the double jeopardy thing that got raised a while back. Red, pen and a suspension was (rightly) deemed excessive

Don't think it applies to a handball though. And that's right IMO.

A striker still has to finish if he doesn't get fouled which is similar to a penalty chance. Handling the ball where it would otherwise be a goal should be red.

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6 hours ago, Pokerprince2004 said:

Just seen the James red :lol: Incredibly harsh. If thats a red then Lascelles at Villa should have been red? Would probably have done us a favour after today

Lascelles isn't on the line as last man preventing a definite goal. It's likely a goal but there are other obstacles behind Lascelles that might have prevented a goal.

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3 hours ago, Ben said:

Richards is shite on MOTD

Yeah not great is he. All bluster, jokes (in jokes mainly) and very little insight that makes you sit up and listen.

Standard of punditry in general for football is shite mind.

 

Compare it to cricket where the vast majority are insightful, knowledgeable, have opinions and really make you feel like you have learned something, or it has enhanced the enjoyment of the game. Chalk and cheese.

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Sky is turgid.

 

Dwight McNeil is a good player, he should get a move to a big club

Raphinha is a good player, he should get a move to a big club 

 

They don’t even realise they’re doing it

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