Billy Pilgrim Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 People are vastly underestimating the damage that sacking someone without a good plan in place could do, as if we haven’t been relegated twice because of it in the last 15 years Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickMack Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 Or would we not prefer a win, it’s not Sports Direct FC anymore, It’s not about Bruce anymore whether he’s there Sunday or not we shouldn’t give a flying f*ck. We have potentially just became the biggest club in world football and all you can do is worry about a few headlines in a paper? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 39 minutes ago, KaKa said: I'm at peace with it all now. Let them proceed as they must. They're obviously doing some due diligence with some top people in football, and so in due course things will all play out. The only thing that is really going to be annoying is that the fans will get painted in a bad light if they have a go at Bruce on Sunday, which will be a real kick in the teeth, as he's been taking the piss out of them since he took the job and it will be exactly what he has been asking for. And this is exactly why he should be gone. This exact thing. It’ll take the shine off the new start. I totally understand they were caught on the hop and things take time but this is not a top coaching team. It’s the 3 Steves of the Apocalypse. It may as well be academy coaches taking over. Hell, give them the experience for a bit. All Clemence does is out the cones out and listen to the other steves on his headset. No idea even what Agnew does. This lot have had us hovering over the relegation zone for two years man. They would not be missed and things would likely improve. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalove Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 I don’t see how though. Surely he’s an irrelevance. I just think if we’re picking at this we’ll be nit picking at everything. Not everything is going to be perfect. Sit back enjoy the ride and focus on the positives for once because for the first time in a ling time there are a shit tonne of them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalove Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 This only takes the sheen of a new start if you let it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 (edited) It's also possible that they've asked senior players and those that purport to know the club if we are better off right now, with Bruce or Jones or no one for the immediate future. Edited October 14, 2021 by madras Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 It's not a case of his sacking being "rubber stamped" by PIF. I think it's more a case of our chairman sitting down with Staveley over the weekend and talking through her business plan, which will include the makeup of the boardroom, the structure of the club, the purpose of a DOF, who they want as manager and of course investment into all areas of the club. Yes they could sack Bruce today but PIF are going to want to know why (especially since 8m quid is needed) and they are also going want to know the plans for the future. Bruce is a small part in a bigger picture which is being discussed behind closed doors. Big, big money is involved and that takes time and planning. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE27 Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 14 minutes ago, Rafalove said: This only takes the sheen of a new start if you let it. I just don't want to share my joy and jubilation with him, at all. I want him to have zero affiliation to this club once he's been jettisoned Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 27 minutes ago, Scoot said: Whichever way we look at it, him being in the dugout on Sunday is going to take the gloss off the occasion. Im happy for them to take their time picking the right man to replace him but Im a little pissed off he's still going to be here on Sunday. It will take the gloss off Sunday, but in the greater scheme of things it's just one game. The thinking is probably to get the right people in the right jobs and that will fix everything else in due course. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bonk Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 2 hours ago, POOT 2.0 said: Yeh, we'd hope so. He's definitely gone, soon. 7 wins in 30+ games is as damning as can be, inc no wins this season etc. We know Ashley probably just gave him the thumbs up, while the new lot will see it as a no go situation. I've not heard a peep of support from our new owners towards Bruce. He's gone and I imagine PIF want reasoning, a plan and outcomes defined before his removal. It's actually nice having some foresight injected into this club rather than the "just good enough" from our former owner. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 22 minutes ago, Billy Pilgrim said: People are vastly underestimating the damage that sacking someone without a good plan in place could do, as if we haven’t been relegated twice because of it in the last 15 years Absolutely, and not just that. The media and other clubs fans want to take every chance to stick the knife into this new regime and will mistakes that can fit their agenda or stereotypes. If the new owners can't remove/replace Bruce with precision and class then it is damaging like you say. Like it or not more people seem to hold a high "public" opinion of Bruce than not, even if push comes to shove they would never have him at "their" clubs. Treating Bruce with a bit of respect however grating to us as it is, is more important if there is no immediate plan in place. Give him his 1000th if we have to and let him ride off into the wind like a whimpering, whispering fart. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
worthy Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 fuck him and his 1000th match, hope he steps on a lego and falls down and cant make it to the game Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 25 minutes ago, madras said: It's also possible that they've asked senior players and those that purport to know the club if we are better off right now, with Bruce or Jones or no one for the immediate future. 3 day weeks, they are always gonna vote for Bruce Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 They won't keep him on for sentimental reasons. Far more likely that its practical. For example, they may not have the cash flow in the club accounts yet, to fire and hire. They want to do things properly, let them. One thing is certain, they haven't assured him of his future, which speaks volumes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Pilgrim Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, toontownman said: Absolutely, and not just that. The media and other clubs fans want to take every chance to stick the knife into this new regime and will mistakes that can fit their agenda or stereotypes. If the new owners can't remove/replace Bruce with precision and class then it is damaging like you say. Like it or not more people seem to hold a high "public" opinion of Bruce than not, even if push comes to shove they would never have him at "their" clubs. Treating Bruce with a bit of respect however grating to us as it is, is more important if there is no immediate plan in place. Give him his 1000th if we have to and let him ride off into the wind like a whimpering, whispering fart. Say we sacked Bruce yesterday with nothing lined up. Then what? No manager on Sunday. What if we lose? Suddenly it becomes more desperate and finding the right person has ratcheted up tension. Realistically we have between now and Christmas to get as close to 6-8 wins as we can. Then we can spend in January. What we don’t want to happen is to sack Bruce for the sake of pleasing people who are apparently dissatisfied with just becoming the richest club on earth in a week, getting rid of Ashley and actually having a new manager come in anyway, and end up in crisis, players spitting the dummy, booing the owners etc etc. I can’t be arsed with any drama at this point. It is beyond crazy. We really do other fan’s work for them sometimes. Edited October 14, 2021 by Billy Pilgrim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomson Mouse Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 18 minutes ago, STM said: It's not a case of his sacking being "rubber stamped" by PIF. I think it's more a case of our chairman sitting down with Staveley over the weekend and talking through her business plan, which will include the makeup of the boardroom, the structure of the club, the purpose of a DOF, who they want as manager and of course investment into all areas of the club. Yes they could sack Bruce today but PIF are going to want to know why (especially since 8m quid is needed) and they are also going want to know the plans for the future. Bruce is a small part in a bigger picture which is being discussed behind closed doors. Big, big money is involved and that takes time and planning. Nailed it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 4 minutes ago, STM said: They won't keep him on for sentimental reasons. Far more likely that its practical. For example, they may not have the cash flow in the club accounts yet, to fire and hire. They want to do things properly, let them. One thing is certain, they haven't assured him of his future, which speaks volumes. It really does. That's why I am pretty relaxed about it all, I'm just glad he'll be gone soon. I've waited two years with no end in sight, another game or two won't kill me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Puppets Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 23 minutes ago, STM said: It's not a case of his sacking being "rubber stamped" by PIF. I think it's more a case of our chairman sitting down with Staveley over the weekend and talking through her business plan, which will include the makeup of the boardroom, the structure of the club, the purpose of a DOF, who they want as manager and of course investment into all areas of the club. Yes they could sack Bruce today but PIF are going to want to know why (especially since 8m quid is needed) and they are also going want to know the plans for the future. Bruce is a small part in a bigger picture which is being discussed behind closed doors. Big, big money is involved and that takes time and planning. 6 minutes ago, STM said: They won't keep him on for sentimental reasons. Far more likely that its practical. For example, they may not have the cash flow in the club accounts yet, to fire and hire. They want to do things properly, let them. One thing is certain, they haven't assured him of his future, which speaks volumes. Two perfect posts Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 45 minutes ago, Billy Pilgrim said: People are vastly underestimating the damage that sacking someone without a good plan in place could do, as if we haven’t been relegated twice because of it in the last 15 years Wasn't the second relegation more a failure to sack a manager who was clearly taking us down? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 We're not exactly flush with coaches to temporarily promote like clubs that have been properly ran. I could see a scenario where they don't want to risk a shambles in match preparation and training whilst they figure things out with regards to DoF and Manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Pilgrim Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, The Prophet said: Wasn't the second relegation more a failure to sack a manager who was clearly taking us down? We sacked a manager and did a back of a packet fag calculation on putting tens of millions of pounds into an established shite manager who hadn’t managed at the top level for ages. We then fannied about not looking to replace him and sacked him far too late, and brought in Benitez, who didn’t have a plan to get us out of it but was good enough to stick around and try the next year. Mclaren was a knee jerk appointment. Even though it came far too late, we sacked him as a knee jerk without a plan. We got relegated even though we had a top quality manager come in. It is not even halfway through October. If we are sitting here mid November with Bruce, in the bottom 3 having been turned down by Graham potter, I give full permission to kick off. But we are way, way ahead of that and we have the luxury of taking maybe even a few weeks to find a manager who will not only stop us from going down, but hopefully kick us on to contending for Europe in the next 5 years. The next manager determines how much we can spend in January and on what. DOF probably too. Getting that right is absolutely pivotal to survival this year and kicking on for contending for something next year as on current form there aren’t three worse teams than us. Edited October 14, 2021 by Billy Pilgrim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 Benitez didn't have a plan to get us out of it?? WAT? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Pilgrim Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Kanji said: Benitez didn't have a plan to get us out of it?? WAT? Did you forget that we got relegated or something? I love Rafa as much as anyone but the damage was too deep when he came in for him to change what was a nailed on certainty. He didn’t know anything about what was happening at the club or in the dressing room even if he did have ideas about what he would like to do in the summer. Say we sack Bruce now and scramble a replacement in, like potter. Say he keeps losing because the squad is old and injuries and all the usual. What happens in February if we are 10 points adrift? Sack someone else? If we bring conte in then, is it too late like it was with rafa? It would just be the usual shite and I can’t be arsed with doing it out of emotion. Edited October 14, 2021 by Billy Pilgrim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
manorpark Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 3 hours ago, gdm said: He is being forced to resign personally in public. He has explained (has had it explained to him) that he really doesn't want the £8m. (in my dreams . . . ) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Kaizero said: We're not exactly flush with coaches to temporarily promote like clubs that have been properly ran. I could see a scenario where they don't want to risk a shambles in match preparation and training whilst they figure things out with regards to DoF and Manager. This is it basically. Just whether you think Bruce and his coaches are so harmful that they should be removed anyway. I personally think so but I can understand why people who don’t despise him might not agree. Also there’s the emotional reason of the party on Sunday, which won’t be the same at all if he’s there. Edited October 14, 2021 by AyeDubbleYoo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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