Altamullan Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 Ashley spooks on the forum. Well I'm all for a bit of diversity me, a paranoid schizophrenic here.... a depressive there. All good. What isn't so good, is not being able to accept others have a different opinion, and not being able to see that yours, however strongly felt, is just that felt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 Time to start the blood tests again lads... http://media.giphy.com/media/miTsjTRNbHvLG/giphy-facebook_s.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ElCid Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 Ashley spooks on the forum. Well I'm all for a bit of diversity me, a paranoid schizophrenic here.... a depressive there. All good. What isn't so good, is not being able to accept others have a different opinion, and not being able to see that yours, however strongly felt, is just that felt. I can accept opinion but I look at actual facts to give my opinion also, like 1 win in 20, 0 in 8 games this season, sacked Championship manager in charge, 6 goals in 8 games, 17 conceded in 8 games. I also look at the fact that people are saying that we put in a good performance over 45 minutes in two games (I would argue 25 - 30 minutes but that's by and by and then I look at the fact that Palace, Southampton, West Ham, Tottenham and Everton actually managed to beat the teams we were playing - Chelsea are in horrendous form and Man City had been beaten their last two games also against teams we as you indicate should be competing against - so to me those two little spells you talk about were in fact not as impressive as people think when you consider that neither were in good form. I then also look at the total shambles against Watford, Sheff Wed and Swansea. I look and WATCH this team and say can we score goals consistently and in numbers and I would say certainly no to the second part and arguably no to the first also but what I can say for certainty is that we will concede goals galore with this team as has been proven season after season. The majority of occasions we have been required to score more than one to even just get a result not even a win - can you see that really changing? My opinion is based on fact over a period of time and I suggest your opinion is based on blind hope as there is no way you or anyone else can tell me the see anything else when you look at what Ive pointed out above. This club is in total disarray from the top to the bottom and no matter what your opinion is in that it won't change. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 We can barely score a goal and cant defend. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 Ashley spooks on the forum. 10p a post innit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DebuchyAndTheBeast Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 We're down there because of bad luck (the hard fixture list), shooting ourselves in the foot and lack of anticipation in the transfer market(CM position was lacking quality since last season). I don't think we'll get relegated if we can keep the likes of Mitrohulk,Perez, Janmatt and Mbemba fit while showing the same fight against lower league sides. However the glaring weakness in the middle of the park will make us struggle all season and we'll be in the relegation battle unless we sign a CM in January. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinport53 Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 We're down there because of bad luck (the hard fixture list), shooting ourselves in the foot and lack of anticipation in the transfer market(CM position was lacking quality since last season). I don't think we'll get relegated if we can keep the likes of Mitrohulk,Perez, Janmatt and Mbemba fit while showing the same fight against lower league sides. However the glaring weakness in the middle of the park will make us struggle all season and we'll be in the relegation battle unless we sign a CM in January. Ain't nobody lower than us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 We're down there because of bad luck (the hard fixture list), shooting ourselves in the foot and lack of anticipation in the transfer market(CM position was lacking quality since last season). I don't think we'll get relegated if we can keep the likes of Mitrohulk,Perez, Janmatt and Mbemba fit while showing the same fight against lower league sides. However the glaring weakness in the middle of the park will make us struggle all season and we'll be in the relegation battle unless we sign a CM in January. Ain't nobody lower than us. :lol: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 We're down there because of bad luck (the hard fixture list), shooting ourselves in the foot and lack of anticipation in the transfer market(CM position was lacking quality since last season). I don't think we'll get relegated if we can keep the likes of Mitrohulk,Perez, Janmatt and Mbemba fit while showing the same fight against lower league sides. However the glaring weakness in the middle of the park will make us struggle all season and we'll be in the relegation battle unless we sign a CM in January. Ain't nobody lower than us. I thought he meant sides in lower leagues. Like Sheff Wed for example. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altamullan Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 It seesm to me that El Cid uses ‘facts’ the way a drunk uses a lamp-post: for support rather than illumination. We played very well, in spells, against two very good sides in Chelsea and Man City. We also drew at Old Trafford (hen’s teeth time) and although I didn’t see the game, the highlights/result against a good Swansea side looked ok to me. The actual facts seem selected to support a doom and gloom argument he seems intent on making, no doubt because that is all he can see. Fair enough, we're not all balanced thinkers; but some of the stuff focussed on is in the past and seems irrelevant, except for in how it decreases fans tolerance and players confidence: “like 1 win in 20...what I can say for certainty is that we will concede goals galore with this team as has been proven season after season” ...I look and WATCH this team and say can we score goals consistently and in numbers and I would say certainly no to the second part and arguably no to the first also... The majority of occasions we have been required to score more than one to even just get a result not even a win - can you see that really changing?” Cisse has been in miserable form/had a supreme lip-on, Mitrovic has been missing for half of the games and is still settling in. I really like the look of him, Wijnaldum and Mbemba, and am still hopeful (God forgive me for using the H word...) re Thauvin. So yes, I can see it changing. “...there is no way you or anyone else can tell me the see anything else when you look at what Ive pointed out above. This club is in total disarray from the top to the bottom and no matter what your opinion is in that it won't change... My opinion is based on fact.” This opinion to me, seems based on emotive language and an unhealthy dose of pissed-off-ed-ness (we’ve all had a touch of that lurgy El Cid) FWIW, to pick up another point (above) I think Palace, Southampton, West Ham, Tottenham and Everton have better sides than us at the moment, but I do think we can win 9 or 10 games, and actually do so with a bit of style—which I also expect to see leaking into the other 20 games, at times. That said, we don’t get 7 points from the next three games, I’ll be back on and also in full-on "We're Doomed" mode/as pessimistic as El Cid. If I am, it will still be opinion and catastrophic crystal ball gazing, not reality/facts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ElCid Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 It seesm to me that El Cid uses ‘facts’ the way a drunk uses a lamp-post: for support rather than illumination. We played very well, in spells, against two very good sides in Chelsea and Man City. We also drew at Old Trafford (hen’s teeth time) and although I didn’t see the game, the highlights/result against a good Swansea side looked ok to me. The actual facts seem selected to support a doom and gloom argument he seems intent on making, no doubt because that is all he can see. Fair enough, we're not all balanced thinkers; but some of the stuff focussed on is in the past and seems irrelevant, except for in how it decreases fans tolerance and players confidence: “like 1 win in 20...what I can say for certainty is that we will concede goals galore with this team as has been proven season after season” ...I look and WATCH this team and say can we score goals consistently and in numbers and I would say certainly no to the second part and arguably no to the first also... The majority of occasions we have been required to score more than one to even just get a result not even a win - can you see that really changing?” Cisse has been in miserable form/had a supreme lip-on, Mitrovic has been missing for half of the games and is still settling in. I really like the look of him, Wijnaldum and Mbemba, and am still hopeful (God forgive me for using the H word...) re Thauvin. So yes, I can see it changing. “...there is no way you or anyone else can tell me the see anything else when you look at what Ive pointed out above. This club is in total disarray from the top to the bottom and no matter what your opinion is in that it won't change... My opinion is based on fact.” This opinion to me, seems based on emotive language and an unhealthy dose of p*ssed-off-ed-ness (we’ve all had a touch of that lurgy El Cid) FWIW, to pick up another point (above) I think Palace, Southampton, West Ham, Tottenham and Everton have better sides than us at the moment, but I do think we can win 9 or 10 games, and actually do so with a bit of style—which I also expect to see leaking into the other 20 games, at times. That said, we don’t get 7 points from the next three games, I’ll be back on and also in full-on "We're Doomed" mode/as pessimistic as El Cid. If I am, it will still be opinion and catastrophic crystal ball gazing, not reality/facts. You keep dreaming :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Ahmed Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 We have on paper a decent set of fixtures coming up, it's vital we are out of the bottom three by the end of those otherwise we might as well start prepping for the Championship Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 It seesm to me that El Cid uses ‘facts’ the way a drunk uses a lamp-post: for support rather than illumination. We played very well, in spells, against two very good sides in Chelsea and Man City. We also drew at Old Trafford (hen’s teeth time) and although I didn’t see the game, the highlights/result against a good Swansea side looked ok to me. The actual facts seem selected to support a doom and gloom argument he seems intent on making, no doubt because that is all he can see. Fair enough, we're not all balanced thinkers; but some of the stuff focussed on is in the past and seems irrelevant, except for in how it decreases fans tolerance and players confidence: “like 1 win in 20...what I can say for certainty is that we will concede goals galore with this team as has been proven season after season” ...I look and WATCH this team and say can we score goals consistently and in numbers and I would say certainly no to the second part and arguably no to the first also... The majority of occasions we have been required to score more than one to even just get a result not even a win - can you see that really changing?” Cisse has been in miserable form/had a supreme lip-on, Mitrovic has been missing for half of the games and is still settling in. I really like the look of him, Wijnaldum and Mbemba, and am still hopeful (God forgive me for using the H word...) re Thauvin. So yes, I can see it changing. “...there is no way you or anyone else can tell me the see anything else when you look at what Ive pointed out above. This club is in total disarray from the top to the bottom and no matter what your opinion is in that it won't change... My opinion is based on fact.” This opinion to me, seems based on emotive language and an unhealthy dose of p*ssed-off-ed-ness (we’ve all had a touch of that lurgy El Cid) FWIW, to pick up another point (above) I think Palace, Southampton, West Ham, Tottenham and Everton have better sides than us at the moment, but I do think we can win 9 or 10 games, and actually do so with a bit of style—which I also expect to see leaking into the other 20 games, at times. That said, we don’t get 7 points from the next three games, I’ll be back on and also in full-on "We're Doomed" mode/as pessimistic as El Cid. If I am, it will still be opinion and catastrophic crystal ball gazing, not reality/facts. Spook. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 That 'unhealthy does of pissed off' is the only thing that forced the fat shit out from under his rock in the first place. The facts are we have been in relegation battle multiple times in multiple times, our goal difference has been pitiful, goals scored the same, win percentages no different and slight glimmers of change in style of play but the same failing policy. It's not enough and not enough progression to brand somebody pessimistic whilst rock bottom after nearly a quarter of the season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altamullan Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 Pessimistic = fatalistic, gloomy, defeatist, demoralized, hopeless, glum, suspicious, distrustful, alarmist.... Can't agree with you if you don't think that is an inaccurate take on previous posts. Though can't disagree with much else you say, LA. Things have been horrific for so long -- this article captures it for me: http://www.themag.co.uk/2015/10/newcastle-united-the-four-key-relationships-that-are-all-broken/? -- that it is easy to go beyond the normal despondency anyone would feel at being bottom of the league after 8 games. I just happen to think given what been happening with the squad, the fact we've played last season's top four, we have some decent signings, and this looks like Perez's season to establish himself, that things will pick-up. I am still personally looking forward to games in a way I haven't for a few seasons (perhaps in itself testimony to how s*** it has been). Trust me, can't imagine many feeling worse than me if we're relegated, or even lose to the Makems again. Just in the meanwhile, I intend to cross that bridge when/if we come to it and try and enjoy football again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varadi Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 Pretty thorough assassination of Tim Sherwood here: http://www.football365.com/news/is-he-a-good-manager-is-he-a-manager Looks certain at least one of us, Villa and the mackems will be through the trapdoor this season, could make getting back up a lot harder if we all go. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 Pretty thorough assassination of Tim Sherwood here: http://www.football365.com/news/is-he-a-good-manager-is-he-a-manager Looks certain at least one of us, Villa and the mackems will be through the trapdoor this season, could make getting back up a lot harder if we all go. Looks like all three of us at the moment but think the mackems might have a chance of staying up now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hithere Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 Pretty thorough assassination of Tim Sherwood here: http://www.football365.com/news/is-he-a-good-manager-is-he-a-manager Looks certain at least one of us, Villa and the mackems will be through the trapdoor this season, could make getting back up a lot harder if we all go. Looks like all three of us at the moment but think the mackems might have a chance of staying up now. Season ticket next season if we go down. It'll be interesting at least. Us, Newcastle and Boro (should they bottle it again) in the second tier, whilst shit for North East football would at least add interest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 Pretty thorough assassination of Tim Sherwood here: http://www.football365.com/news/is-he-a-good-manager-is-he-a-manager Looks certain at least one of us, Villa and the mackems will be through the trapdoor this season, could make getting back up a lot harder if we all go. I thought he might of done a bit better than he has done there like. Mind they are like us Villa, a totally lifeless club inside and out and just like us, I fear its a total regime change needed and not always a new manager, if they are to get better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 Allardyce should keep the mackems up you would think, but he will stink out the place like their previous managers have. They need new ideas and a fresh approach to football. Ironically Boro who are a league below us, have the best set-up with a decent coach and a bright future if they can get promoted. I can actually see them going up and one or both of us and the mackems going down like. Serves both clubs right for being rotten. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummie Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 Pretty thorough assassination of Tim Sherwood here: http://www.football365.com/news/is-he-a-good-manager-is-he-a-manager Looks certain at least one of us, Villa and the mackems will be through the trapdoor this season, could make getting back up a lot harder if we all go. I thought he might of done a bit better than he has done there like. Mind they are like us Villa, a totally lifeless club inside and out and just like us, I fear its a total regime change needed and not always a new manager, if they are to get better. Nothing will change seriously for the better till Lerner fucks off, that is definitely true. However, things could change a bit for the better if we finally appointed a manager with a proven record of being able to distinguish his arse from his elbow. We've won a total of twenty home league games *in the last five seasons* Actually, I say "in the last five seasons", I actually mean those five seasons AND the home games thus far this season. I've been about three times in the last three years and I don't regret it for a second. It is just the pathetic, lifeless acceptance of utter mediocrity and the lack of any pretence of wanting to do anything - *anything* - beyond staying in the league. Sherwood really needs to go. Not because he's a bad manager or because the results have not been up to scratch, but because what he puts out on the pitch absolutely defies description. He hasn't got the first clue tactically. He kept us up last season (albeit in 17th place and having lost 8 of the 14 games he managed us for) purely by not being Lambert and by getting Benteke scoring again. His tactical mistakes have been utterly staggering, though, truly bizarre. That's the terrifying bit. Believe me, if he stays here, we're going down, absolutely put your money on it. The three clubs in the relegation places seem to be disfunctional, absentee landlord owned messes. If I didn't support one of those three teams, I absolutely would want all three to go down, because they all absolutely reek of idiocy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummie Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 Last season, BTW, Cesare Prandelil was "outed" in an interview on the club site as being a Villa fan. He is currently out of work. Speak to him, FFS. I don't doubt Rodgers is better than Sherwood, but fuck me, that is the faintest of faint praise. He also managed to get himself thoroughly out-tacticked by Sherwood last year, and several times by that magician of the game Lambert. I'm through with know-fuck-all British managers, or up-and-coming Brits, I've had enough of them. Get someone who has a proven CV they can point to, someone who has the first idea what they're doing. Tom Fox, our CEO, said last year that Sherwood was the only name on the list of possible Lambert replacements. Imagine that. Imagine that kind of fucking stupidity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 I feel for you Brummie, I love Villa Park, and I'm always working in that area so I know how bad things are. You are right like, us, you and the mackems stink out the league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummie Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 I feel for you Brummie, I love Villa Park, and I'm always working in that area so I know how bad things are. You are right like, us, you and the mackems stink out the league. And knowing our luck, all fucking three will go down, thus making that league more interesting but much harder to get out of. Just when the massive TV money kicks in, too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 Just cranked up a notch. Blobby until Darlow is fit is very bad news indeed. Is Darlow any good anyway? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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