Dave Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 Already asked, didn't answer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 Shock horror. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordiedean Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 On 14/12/2017 at 21:55, wormy said: Shock horror. Sean Dyche for starters id even say that Marco Silva probably would. Its the constant changing of system staff and formation that is killing us. No need to drop Elliot for an inferior keeper, no need to piss about with fullbacks constantly. No need to swap diame,perez etc A settled core of players would have had us more points I do believe and the constant squad rotation is totally unnecessary Im not completely anti Rafa by any means but I do feel hes given more of a free pass than previous managers just because of who he is. If we get taken over and its by serious money and we do somehow stay up I would not be against sacking him and going all out for Ancelotti to be honest Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 On 14/12/2017 at 10:19, Kid Icarus said: This thread reminds me of This War of Mine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shays Given Tim Flowers Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 I actually rate Sean Dyche, but he is basically to Burnley at the moment what Moyes was to Everton back in the day, the two a perfect fit. He has been there a number of years now and has been allowed to build the club in his own image with next to no expectations and with almost complete control. He’s doing really well, great in fact, but you can not really determine whether he’s good or if this is a purple patch just yet until you remove him from this almost comfort zone. You can not compare him to Rafa and NUFC either or anyone else for that matter, I could hypothesis that KK for example would get more out of this squad in a footballing sense, but would they win more matches, concede fewer, score more goals? It’s hard to tell. We are what we are. A Championship team struggling in the top league. Rafa is undoubtedly world-class and there is an argument that he should be doing better here as such, but put the Dyche of his day in Moyes say in charge of Man Utd and what happens? Put Rafa in charge of Chelsea or Liverpool and what happens? Trophies and success. Horses for courses... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 I'm a season ticket holder but last night was my first match for a few games, I thought we played well last night and deserved a point but we currently have a squad that was built to win the championship..... the premier league is poles apart Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 Sean Dyche, the man that got relegated in his first PL stint after a promotion, came back up to get 16th, and is now pushing on? The bloke who's had years to build what he wants? I think folks would be wise to remember that Dyche has only had 1/3 of a really good Premier League season. I think he has promise, like, but people are massively jumping the gun with him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 On 14/12/2017 at 23:14, Gallowgate Toon said: Sean Dyche, the man that got relegated in his first PL stint after a promotion, came back up to get 16th, and is now pushing on? The bloke who's had years to build what he wants? I think folks would be wise to remember that Dyche has only had 1/3 of a really good Premier League season. I think he has promise, like, but people are massively jumping the gun with him. He’s done a great job at Burnley, but Big Sam did a great job at Bolton, Moyes at Everton etc. and look how they turned out... You cannot compare Rafa to him nor us to Burnley. It’s madness. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vivian Darkbloom Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 We're all worrying too much over this relegation thing, man. So what if we go down? Do you think Crown Prince Bin Toon is going to be papping his burqa over that? Our new set of galiticos will piss every game! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 On 14/12/2017 at 22:51, HTT said: I actually rate Sean Dyche, but he is basically to Burnley at the moment what Moyes was to Everton back in the day, the two a perfect fit. He has been there a number of years now and has been allowed to build the club in his own image with next to no expectations and with almost complete control. He’s doing really well, great in fact, but you can not really determine whether he’s good or if this is a purple patch just yet until you remove him from this almost comfort zone. You can not compare him to Rafa and NUFC either or anyone else for that matter, I could hypothesis that KK for example would get more out of this squad in a footballing sense, but would they win more matches, concede fewer, score more goals? It’s hard to tell. We are what we are. A Championship team struggling in the top league. Rafa is undoubtedly world-class and there is an argument that he should be doing better here as such, but put the Dyche of his day in Moyes say in charge of Man Utd and what happens? Put Rafa in charge of Chelsea or Liverpool and what happens? Trophies and success. Horses for courses... I think the comparison to Moyes is spot on, although you could argue Moyes was probably under more pressure than Dyche as he was at a bigger club. I think the low expectations of being at a big club is underestimated, this counts for players as well as managers. Someone like Diame for example, would probably find it a lot easier to express himself at a club like Bolton than in front of a 52k crowd at St James. Rafa is big enough to handle a club this size, and not every manager is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 So PCP is at 6.5, seems reasonable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 We are fucked with this team of hapless bastards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 Number crunchers at fivethirtyeight have us at 42% likely to get relegated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexumaster Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 On 13/12/2017 at 16:54, xLiaaamx said: Quote I'm an 8 based on the fact that the takeover won't happen. I think as it stands we obviously aren't the worst team but when the takeover doesn't happen, Rafa leaves, confidence is sapped and injuries pile up I think it will crumble. A lot rides on the takeover, not for money for January as I don't think there will be time for that now, but in terms of keeping our manager and instilling some confidence in players. This aged well. Has it been announced then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 Welcome to the bottom three. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 Surprised it took this long tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 Might as well get comfortable as we're not leaving it for the rest of the season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 On 16/12/2017 at 16:21, Skeletor said: Might as well get comfortable as we're not leaving it for the rest of the season. We'll be out in January I reckon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 On 16/12/2017 at 16:25, TRon said: Quote Might as well get comfortable as we're not leaving it for the rest of the season. We'll be out in January I reckon. Don't see how. It will still be Ashley controlling the purse strings which means little to no money being spent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 On 16/12/2017 at 16:26, Skeletor said: Quote Quote Might as well get comfortable as we're not leaving it for the rest of the season. We'll be out in January I reckon. Don't see how. It will still be Ashley controlling the purse strings which means little to no money being spent. If we can get back to being solid with a three man midfield we might start sneaking 1-0 wins again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordiedean Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 Wont get out of the bottom 3 all season now. Theres absolutely no way this squad is getting anywhere near 40 points Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menace Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 9. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 On 16/12/2017 at 16:39, geordiedean said: Wont get out of the bottom 3 all season now. Theres absolutely no way this squad is getting anywhere near 40 points I wouldn't be surprised if we're out before 6pm like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 Nowt to do with today but still a solid 10. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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