Robster Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 Ashley for a start would not let the club sink that low and just say by some miracle he would, then the only people who would probably be interested in buying the club would be chancers like the Sunderland mob. Ashley will not sell the club for cheap as he would want top dollar, he would also not sell to any buyer for the 45 million someone paid for Wolves that's for sure. Ashley's issue is that football/sport isn't as straight forward as saying "Right, this season I will be successful" (obvious to you and I, I know). So many things need to be just right and as his decision making when it comes to football is so awful and uninformed, he won't find it easy. His ethos of how he wants to run the club is now too widely known and I think Rafa is the last genuinely talented manager we'll get under his tenure. He could of course just get lucky but Steve Bruce is the level now. As proven with the free tickets, the fans genuinely have the power to get to him so if, when, relegation happens, the fans have the ability to force him to cut his losses eventually. It won't be immediate, I appreciate that, but the fans can force change. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest godzilla Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 Ashley for a start would not let the club sink that low and just say by some miracle he would, then the only people who would probably be interested in buying the club would be chancers like the Sunderland mob. Ashley will not sell the club for cheap as he would want top dollar, he would also not sell to any buyer for the 45 million someone paid for Wolves that's for sure. Ashley's issue is that football/sport isn't as straight forward as saying "Right, this season I will be successful" (obvious to you and I, I know). So many things need to be just right and as his decision making when it comes to football is so awful and uninformed, he won't find it easy. His ethos of how he wants to run the club is now too widely known and I think Rafa is the last genuinely talented manager we'll get under his tenure. He could of course just get lucky but Steve Bruce is the level now. As proven with the free tickets, the fans genuinely have the power to get to him so if, when, relegation happens, the fans have the ability to force him to cut his losses eventually. It won't be immediate, I appreciate that, but the fans can force change. I totally understand what you're saying, I just do not think that Ashley would allow it to get to that point. He has had the opportunity twice now with relegation to get out, but the bloke is such a c*** and so stubborn, that he will then invest to protect his ownership, to try and ensure he gets the money he thinks the club is worth. Is the club worth what he wants, nope, but he is so thick skinned he genuinely believes it. Our only hope for a sale to happen, in my opinion, is for some mega rich person/company to meet the price he wants. That will only happen within the Premier League as the cost he would put for a club in the Championship would not attract anyone. The boycott did have a mild effect, questions were being asked; but he then just pulls an ace out of his deck of hands and the sheep come rolling in. I'm not disagreeing that a number of years down there may have an effect, what I just don't think will happen is Ashley allowing that to happen. I would love to see the ground empty (fully not 5-10,000) as there would be ruptures happening then. The support has shown that will never be the case; maybe in the 80s it would, but the general football fan has changed from then. I do believe if we do stay up and nobody comes in (with the shirt sponsor/supplier deal) this year, then we may as well forget about Ashley leaving anytime soon. I personally can never forgive John Hall at accepting the first bid that came in and thinking of his wealth first before the club. What galls me even more is that the same person sticks up for him at frequent intervals. Of course I want Ashley gone for good with no strings either, I just think he is too cute to allow it to happen the way people are forecasting on here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 Ashley for a start would not let the club sink that low and just say by some miracle he would, then the only people who would probably be interested in buying the club would be chancers like the Sunderland mob. Ashley will not sell the club for cheap as he would want top dollar, he would also not sell to any buyer for the 45 million someone paid for Wolves that's for sure. Ashley's issue is that football/sport isn't as straight forward as saying "Right, this season I will be successful" (obvious to you and I, I know). So many things need to be just right and as his decision making when it comes to football is so awful and uninformed, he won't find it easy. His ethos of how he wants to run the club is now too widely known and I think Rafa is the last genuinely talented manager we'll get under his tenure. He could of course just get lucky but Steve Bruce is the level now. As proven with the free tickets, the fans genuinely have the power to get to him so if, when, relegation happens, the fans have the ability to force him to cut his losses eventually. It won't be immediate, I appreciate that, but the fans can force change. I totally understand what you're saying, I just do not think that Ashley would allow it to get to that point. He has had the opportunity twice now with relegation to get out, but the bloke is such a c*** and so stubborn, that he will then invest to protect his ownership, to try and ensure he gets the money he thinks the club is worth. Is the club worth what he wants, nope, but he is so thick skinned he genuinely believes it. Our only hope for a sale to happen, in my opinion, is for some mega rich person/company to meet the price he wants. That will only happen within the Premier League as the cost he would put for a club in the Championship would not attract anyone. The boycott did have a mild effect, questions were being asked; but he then just pulls an ace out of his deck of hands and the sheep come rolling in. I'm not disagreeing that a number of years down there may have an effect, what I just don't think will happen is Ashley allowing that to happen. I would love to see the ground empty (fully not 5-10,000) as there would be ruptures happening then. The support has shown that will never be the case; maybe in the 80s it would, but the general football fan has changed from then. I do believe if we do stay up and nobody comes in (with the shirt sponsor/supplier deal) this year, then we may as well forget about Ashley leaving anytime soon. I personally can never forgive John Hall at accepting the first bid that came in and thinking of his wealth first before the club. What galls me even more is that the same person sticks up for him at frequent intervals. Of course I want Ashley gone for good with no strings either, I just think he is too cute to allow it to happen the way people are forecasting on here. All very fair comments Godzilla. Time is the only thing that will ultimately tell us and i'm finding myself wishing my life away, wanting to get ahead 3 or 4 years to find out where we are and if we are finally rid of him. I want to enjoy NUFC again. Sad state of affairs really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest godzilla Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 Ashley for a start would not let the club sink that low and just say by some miracle he would, then the only people who would probably be interested in buying the club would be chancers like the Sunderland mob. Ashley will not sell the club for cheap as he would want top dollar, he would also not sell to any buyer for the 45 million someone paid for Wolves that's for sure. Ashley's issue is that football/sport isn't as straight forward as saying "Right, this season I will be successful" (obvious to you and I, I know). So many things need to be just right and as his decision making when it comes to football is so awful and uninformed, he won't find it easy. His ethos of how he wants to run the club is now too widely known and I think Rafa is the last genuinely talented manager we'll get under his tenure. He could of course just get lucky but Steve Bruce is the level now. As proven with the free tickets, the fans genuinely have the power to get to him so if, when, relegation happens, the fans have the ability to force him to cut his losses eventually. It won't be immediate, I appreciate that, but the fans can force change. I totally understand what you're saying, I just do not think that Ashley would allow it to get to that point. He has had the opportunity twice now with relegation to get out, but the bloke is such a c*** and so stubborn, that he will then invest to protect his ownership, to try and ensure he gets the money he thinks the club is worth. Is the club worth what he wants, nope, but he is so thick skinned he genuinely believes it. Our only hope for a sale to happen, in my opinion, is for some mega rich person/company to meet the price he wants. That will only happen within the Premier League as the cost he would put for a club in the Championship would not attract anyone. The boycott did have a mild effect, questions were being asked; but he then just pulls an ace out of his deck of hands and the sheep come rolling in. I'm not disagreeing that a number of years down there may have an effect, what I just don't think will happen is Ashley allowing that to happen. I would love to see the ground empty (fully not 5-10,000) as there would be ruptures happening then. The support has shown that will never be the case; maybe in the 80s it would, but the general football fan has changed from then. I do believe if we do stay up and nobody comes in (with the shirt sponsor/supplier deal) this year, then we may as well forget about Ashley leaving anytime soon. I personally can never forgive John Hall at accepting the first bid that came in and thinking of his wealth first before the club. What galls me even more is that the same person sticks up for him at frequent intervals. Of course I want Ashley gone for good with no strings either, I just think he is too cute to allow it to happen the way people are forecasting on here. All very fair comments Godzilla. Time is the only thing that will ultimately tell us and i'm finding myself wishing my life away, wanting to get ahead 3 or 4 years to find out where we are and if we are finally rid of him. I want to enjoy NUFC again. Sad state of affairs really. Totally agree Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest godzilla Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 Ashley for a start would not let the club sink that low and just say by some miracle he would, then the only people who would probably be interested in buying the club would be chancers like the Sunderland mob. Ashley will not sell the club for cheap as he would want top dollar, he would also not sell to any buyer for the 45 million someone paid for Wolves that's for sure. Ashley's issue is that football/sport isn't as straight forward as saying "Right, this season I will be successful" (obvious to you and I, I know). So many things need to be just right and as his decision making when it comes to football is so awful and uninformed, he won't find it easy. His ethos of how he wants to run the club is now too widely known and I think Rafa is the last genuinely talented manager we'll get under his tenure. He could of course just get lucky but Steve Bruce is the level now. As proven with the free tickets, the fans genuinely have the power to get to him so if, when, relegation happens, the fans have the ability to force him to cut his losses eventually. It won't be immediate, I appreciate that, but the fans can force change. I totally understand what you're saying, I just do not think that Ashley would allow it to get to that point. He has had the opportunity twice now with relegation to get out, but the bloke is such a c*** and so stubborn, that he will then invest to protect his ownership, to try and ensure he gets the money he thinks the club is worth. Is the club worth what he wants, nope, but he is so thick skinned he genuinely believes it. Our only hope for a sale to happen, in my opinion, is for some mega rich person/company to meet the price he wants. That will only happen within the Premier League as the cost he would put for a club in the Championship would not attract anyone. The boycott did have a mild effect, questions were being asked; but he then just pulls an ace out of his deck of hands and the sheep come rolling in. I'm not disagreeing that a number of years down there may have an effect, what I just don't think will happen is Ashley allowing that to happen. I would love to see the ground empty (fully not 5-10,000) as there would be ruptures happening then. The support has shown that will never be the case; maybe in the 80s it would, but the general football fan has changed from then. I do believe if we do stay up and nobody comes in (with the shirt sponsor/supplier deal) this year, then we may as well forget about Ashley leaving anytime soon. I personally can never forgive John Hall at accepting the first bid that came in and thinking of his wealth first before the club. What galls me even more is that the same person sticks up for him at frequent intervals. Of course I want Ashley gone for good with no strings either, I just think he is too cute to allow it to happen the way people are forecasting on here. All very fair comments Godzilla. Time is the only thing that will ultimately tell us and i'm finding myself wishing my life away, wanting to get ahead 3 or 4 years to find out where we are and if we are finally rid of him. I want to enjoy NUFC again. Sad state of affairs really. Totally agree The other thing we have to remember apart from the actual enhanced cost of the club; is that the club do not own the land the ground is on, there is a major requirement for the Training Centre/Ground to be totally upgraded and also there is no easy option to increase the capacity of the ground due to various restrictions. This is then a major hindrance on future additional revenue options. All these things will also be putting off anyone buying the club; as this is then a huge outlay of money to put these in place, on top of the initial cost of ownership. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 Whatever Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 Got this feeling a spectacular collapse is on the cards. Bruce is famous for it and the players have obviously relaxed due to the gaffas friendly team ethic. Maximum 10 points second half of the season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate End Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 Got this feeling a spectacular collapse is on the cards. Bruce is famous for it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tribesman Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 Got this feeling a spectacular collapse is on the cards. Bruce is famous for it and the players have obviously relaxed due to the gaffas friendly team ethic. Maximum 10 points second half of the season. Which will probably be enough to stay up, but that sort of form will spill over into the following season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 I don't envisage anything like that; the absolutely rotten (sorry, attacking) football isn't ineffective enough for a total plummet, plus the mentality of the squad is very good. We just won't do anything remotely impressive. Next season's another matter, for sure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Consortium of one Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 I think we'll end up about 14th or 15th. If the season were 46 games, we'd drop While I'm not convinced a drop would help in the sale of the club, I am concerned that the longer the club goes with investment in infrastructure the less appealing the club will be and of course the less likely Ashley will get his price if there is a "price". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 Gap will be closed even further after this weekend given the fixtures of clubs around us Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 it'll be very interesting to see where we are after the arsenal game like, a bad run looks inevitable, just how bad it'll be is key Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoreboard82 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 I don't expect much from the next 3 league games. Leicester and Chelsea at home either side of Wolves away. Wouldn't be surprised to lose the lot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 We'll pick up an unlikely win somewhere along the way to ensure the continued vindication of the 'everything's fine' brigade. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just a propheteer Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 2 for me. Very unlikely. 25 points already and that good run of fixtures from the end of February through to mid April will see us finish on around 45pts and 12th place I reckon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amir_9 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 We won't go down, but I do worry when we need to replace the likes of Schar/Lascelles/Fernandez etc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordiedean Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 We won't go down, but I do worry when we need to replace the likes of Schar/Lascelles/Fernandez etc Not bothered about Lascelles to be honest as I think hes the worst centre half we have Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colos Short and Curlies Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 I don't envisage anything like that; the absolutely rotten (sorry, attacking) football isn't ineffective enough for a total plummet, plus the mentality of the squad is very good. We just won't do anything remotely impressive. Next season's another matter, for sure. I don't know, we've only won one game by more than one goal and that was Shelveys VAR walk in. Add in the mix that we played teams at good times first half of the season and that seems to have reversed recently - new manager for Everton etc - the margins are so fine that we could conceivably win anything from 0-10 games in the final 18. Bar Villa and Norwich I also don't see many games where we have lost away and that we should be confident in winning at home and with our away form being pretty shit I can see a lot of our home wins turning into away losses Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amir_9 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Its not so much for the defending ability as much as the fact our defenders all have a goal in them and have continued to showed that last season and this one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussiemag Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 I think we’re down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordiedean Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 I think we’re down. Can see the typical Bruce long winless run sucking us right down by the end of jan Our strikers cant score at all that will.not keep you in a division we have 100m worth of 5 strikers all fucking hopeless Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RodneyCisse Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 I think we’re fucked Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Edgar Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 The players are going to jack it in now they realise just how clueless Bruce is. We will drop like a stone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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