et tu brute Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 Not sure why we're writing this off again. It was always said that relegation wouldn't necessarily prevent a sale - a mere "pain in the arse" if you believe Caulkin. Bruce staying and us getting pumped hasn't changed anything. Let's just see what happens, eh? Same Caulkin who was saying time and time again no red flags. No chance this is happening if we are relegated and judging Ashley’s actions in failing to even try to stop up going down, I would say there is nothing happening even if we don’t. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantail Breeze Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 14 months on from the news of this takeover happening and here we are... Ashley still owning the club and Bruce in charge with the team hurtling at pace towards relegation. No sign from anywhere that it’s going to happen. Journalists reporting more and more that time is decreasing the enthusiasm from PIF, a never ending arbitration case with one fail already, yet people are still blindly optimistic. Relegation a mere inconvenience, just with another 15 other ‘mere inconveniences’ in the way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 Not sure why we're writing this off again. It was always said that relegation wouldn't necessarily prevent a sale - a mere "pain in the arse" if you believe Caulkin. Bruce staying and us getting pumped hasn't changed anything. Let's just see what happens, eh? Same Caulkin who was saying time and time again no red flags. Yeah because that's what the PL were saying.. He's not a mind reader, he can only present the info he gets. Is the fact hes able to be lied to supposed to make everything he says now more doubtful than before? I don't get it, I mean I knew he wasn't psychic all along personally. I'm sure he's been told by someone involved directly that relegation won't necessarily end the takeover. No reason to belive he's made it up. So the question is do you believe there's a good motive for someone involved to lie about that? If so what? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
et tu brute Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 Not sure why we're writing this off again. It was always said that relegation wouldn't necessarily prevent a sale - a mere "pain in the arse" if you believe Caulkin. Bruce staying and us getting pumped hasn't changed anything. Let's just see what happens, eh? Same Caulkin who was saying time and time again no red flags. Yeah because that's what the PL were saying.. He's not a mind reader, he can only present the info he gets. Is the fact he isn't a mind reader and so is able to be lied to supposed to make everything he says now more doubtful than before? I don't get it, I mean I knew he wasn't psychic all along personally. So why believe he isn't being lied to now either, and by the way it was the buyers reporting to him no red flags not the PL. You want to believe it go ahead, personally I think he's being fed total s*** and has been all the way through. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenum Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 I told yous about 400 pages ago that there is no saudi takeover Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 Not sure why we're writing this off again. It was always said that relegation wouldn't necessarily prevent a sale - a mere "pain in the arse" if you believe Caulkin. Bruce staying and us getting pumped hasn't changed anything. Let's just see what happens, eh? Same Caulkin who was saying time and time again no red flags. Yeah because that's what the PL were saying.. He's not a mind reader, he can only present the info he gets. Is the fact he isn't a mind reader and so is able to be lied to supposed to make everything he says now more doubtful than before? I don't get it, I mean I knew he wasn't psychic all along personally. So why believe he isn't being lied to now either, and by the way it was the buyers reporting to him no red flags not the PL. You want to believe it go ahead, personally I think he's being fed total s*** and has been all the way through. Why believe he is being lied too? Like I said being lied to has no barring at all on the likelihood of someone else lying to that same person in the future. Especially when it seems obvious it was the PL lying to the buyers that caused this. I've little doubt that the PL were claiming there were no issues. At least right until the end. It fits perfectly with the way the PL were trying to deal with this. Which was to try to make the takeover go away without having to reject it. Just keep saying its all fine, ask more questions, repeat indefinitely until the takeover dies of old age. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 We must need to wait and see what arbitration brings. There are so many unknowns, it's tough to be too optimistic, but while it's still rumbling on there's hope. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
et tu brute Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 Not sure why we're writing this off again. It was always said that relegation wouldn't necessarily prevent a sale - a mere "pain in the arse" if you believe Caulkin. Bruce staying and us getting pumped hasn't changed anything. Let's just see what happens, eh? Same Caulkin who was saying time and time again no red flags. Yeah because that's what the PL were saying.. He's not a mind reader, he can only present the info he gets. Is the fact he isn't a mind reader and so is able to be lied to supposed to make everything he says now more doubtful than before? I don't get it, I mean I knew he wasn't psychic all along personally. So why believe he isn't being lied to now either, and by the way it was the buyers reporting to him no red flags not the PL. You want to believe it go ahead, personally I think he's being fed total s*** and has been all the way through. Why believe he is being lied too? Like I said being lied to has no barring at all on the likelihood of someone else lying to that same person in the future. Especially when it seems obvious it was the PL lying to the buyers that caused this. I've little doubt that the PL were claiming there were no issues. At least right until the end. It fits perfectly with the way the PL were trying to deal with this. Which was to try to make the takeover go away without having to reject it. Just keep saying its all fine, ask more questions, repeat indefinitely until the takeover dies of old age. Someone is filling him with s*** as he is the one who kept reporting no red flags, even when it was pretty obvious there was. You want to believe he is not being fed s*** then fine, that’s totally your choice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thumbheed Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 Not sure why we're writing this off again. It was always said that relegation wouldn't necessarily prevent a sale - a mere "pain in the arse" if you believe Caulkin. Bruce staying and us getting pumped hasn't changed anything. Let's just see what happens, eh? Same Caulkin who was saying time and time again no red flags. Yeah because that's what the PL were saying.. He's not a mind reader, he can only present the info he gets. Is the fact he isn't a mind reader and so is able to be lied to supposed to make everything he says now more doubtful than before? I don't get it, I mean I knew he wasn't psychic all along personally. So why believe he isn't being lied to now either, and by the way it was the buyers reporting to him no red flags not the PL. You want to believe it go ahead, personally I think he's being fed total s*** and has been all the way through. Why believe he is being lied too? Like I said being lied to has no barring at all on the likelihood of someone else lying to that same person in the future. Especially when it seems obvious it was the PL lying to the buyers that caused this. I've little doubt that the PL were claiming there were no issues. At least right until the end. It fits perfectly with the way the PL were trying to deal with this. Which was to try to make the takeover go away without having to reject it. Just keep saying its all fine, ask more questions, repeat indefinitely until the takeover dies of old age. Someone is filling him with s*** as he is the one who kept reporting no red flags, even when it was pretty obvious there was. You want to believe he is not being fed s*** then fine, that’s totally your choice. Was Caulkin being lied to or were his sources being lied to? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 Not sure why we're writing this off again. It was always said that relegation wouldn't necessarily prevent a sale - a mere "pain in the arse" if you believe Caulkin. Bruce staying and us getting pumped hasn't changed anything. Let's just see what happens, eh? Same Caulkin who was saying time and time again no red flags. Yeah because that's what the PL were saying.. He's not a mind reader, he can only present the info he gets. Is the fact he isn't a mind reader and so is able to be lied to supposed to make everything he says now more doubtful than before? I don't get it, I mean I knew he wasn't psychic all along personally. So why believe he isn't being lied to now either, and by the way it was the buyers reporting to him no red flags not the PL. You want to believe it go ahead, personally I think he's being fed total s*** and has been all the way through. Why believe he is being lied too? Like I said being lied to has no barring at all on the likelihood of someone else lying to that same person in the future. Especially when it seems obvious it was the PL lying to the buyers that caused this. I've little doubt that the PL were claiming there were no issues. At least right until the end. It fits perfectly with the way the PL were trying to deal with this. Which was to try to make the takeover go away without having to reject it. Just keep saying its all fine, ask more questions, repeat indefinitely until the takeover dies of old age. Someone is filling him with s*** as he is the one who kept reporting no red flags, even when it was pretty obvious there was. You want to believe he is not being fed s*** then fine, that’s totally your choice. Was Caulkin being lied to or were his sources being lied to? Or amazing as it seems, things change. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candi_Hills Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 Perhaps in the early stages of the deal the PL themselves saw no red flags, then Liverpool, Qatar and whoever else stuck their oars in and things changed. The club have released a statement saying they're bending arse over tit trying to sell and pro-takeover journos, neutral journos and Keith Zebra are all on the same page too. It isn't a conspiracy. They're trying. Regarding "Why has Bruce not been sacked?", perhaps Ashley has been assured they will buy regardless of relegation but he'll have to drop his price by however much amount and is now happy to gamble. Obviously we can all see his odds of winning are a million to one but it's different for him. It's like you sticking a tenner on a horse because you thought "Mary Hinge" was a funny name. The takeover attempt isn't off until we're told otherwise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
et tu brute Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 Not sure why we're writing this off again. It was always said that relegation wouldn't necessarily prevent a sale - a mere "pain in the arse" if you believe Caulkin. Bruce staying and us getting pumped hasn't changed anything. Let's just see what happens, eh? Same Caulkin who was saying time and time again no red flags. Yeah because that's what the PL were saying.. He's not a mind reader, he can only present the info he gets. Is the fact he isn't a mind reader and so is able to be lied to supposed to make everything he says now more doubtful than before? I don't get it, I mean I knew he wasn't psychic all along personally. So why believe he isn't being lied to now either, and by the way it was the buyers reporting to him no red flags not the PL. You want to believe it go ahead, personally I think he's being fed total s*** and has been all the way through. Why believe he is being lied too? Like I said being lied to has no barring at all on the likelihood of someone else lying to that same person in the future. Especially when it seems obvious it was the PL lying to the buyers that caused this. I've little doubt that the PL were claiming there were no issues. At least right until the end. It fits perfectly with the way the PL were trying to deal with this. Which was to try to make the takeover go away without having to reject it. Just keep saying its all fine, ask more questions, repeat indefinitely until the takeover dies of old age. Someone is filling him with s*** as he is the one who kept reporting no red flags, even when it was pretty obvious there was. You want to believe he is not being fed s*** then fine, that’s totally your choice. Was Caulkin being lied to or were his sources being lied to? At the end of the day he’s the one reporting it and journalists are rated on accuracy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
manorpark Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 Where has all this ridiculous and illogical "The Takeover is Dead" rubbish suddenly coming from again?? It is total 'invented' rubbish! The main current fact that we actually KNOW about, is that Arbitration is soon going to happen . . . that means it IS NOT DEAD. Get a grip! We just need to (still, I know . . . ) W A I T. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Away Toon Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 What makes it worse is relegation removes any hope (however small it was) of getting rid of Ashley - he has a price in his head of what he wants for the club and he won't get that in the championship. Maybe you would like to elaborate on where the shite that you have written above comes from? Didn't think so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 I understand why not sacking Bruce adds to the 'no takeover' narrative but I still think it can be spun as "I'm about to leave (post-arbitration) so I don't give a shit about relegation or Bruce". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
et tu brute Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 I understand why not sacking Bruce adds to the 'no takeover' narrative but I still think it can be spun as "I'm about to leave (post-arbitration) so I don't give a s*** about relegation or Bruce". Whilst I lose half the value of the club by doing so. Sorry not buying that spin. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoot Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 So this thread has been bumped so people who think the takeover is dead can re-tell us that they still dont think the takeover will happen? Yes we know, you've all told us a million times that you think the takeover is dead. This obsession with repeating your stance is canny weird. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OpenC Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 I assume that this thread and its little brother are being lined up as the priority ones to get shifted over to the new forum, along with the Brexit thread and the one where Delima talked about consensual sex with animals Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
et tu brute Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 So this thread has been bumped so people who think the takeover is dead can re-tell us that they still dont think the takeover will happen? Yes we know, you've all told us a million times that you think the takeover is dead. This obsession with repeating your stance is canny weird. So it's not a subject for discussion then?, stick to the positive thread then if all you want to hear is that the takeover is going ahead. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 I understand why not sacking Bruce adds to the 'no takeover' narrative but I still think it can be spun as "I'm about to leave (post-arbitration) so I don't give a s*** about relegation or Bruce". Whilst I lose half the value of the club by doing so. Sorry not buying that spin. We don't know if agreements have been signed, promises made etc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
et tu brute Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 I understand why not sacking Bruce adds to the 'no takeover' narrative but I still think it can be spun as "I'm about to leave (post-arbitration) so I don't give a s*** about relegation or Bruce". Whilst I lose half the value of the club by doing so. Sorry not buying that spin. We don't know if agreements have been signed, promises made etc So are you trying to say PIF are willing to pay the 350 million if relegation occurs or that Ashley is ok with losing half the value of the club. Neither make any sense at all whichever way you look at it. Sorry again not buying that either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoot Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 So this thread has been bumped so people who think the takeover is dead can re-tell us that they still dont think the takeover will happen? Yes we know, you've all told us a million times that you think the takeover is dead. This obsession with repeating your stance is canny weird. So it's not a subject for discussion then?, stick to the positive thread then if all you want to hear is that the takeover is going ahead. It's ok, I dont feel the need to bump that thread to tell everyone that I believe the takeover still has some legs. But hey, why not wait a couple of days and then rebump this 1 to tell everyone how you still dont think I the takeover will happen. Strange! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantail Breeze Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 So this thread has been bumped so people who think the takeover is dead can re-tell us that they still dont think the takeover will happen? Yes we know, you've all told us a million times that you think the takeover is dead. This obsession with repeating your stance is canny weird. A bit like bumping the Bruce thread to say you think he should be sacked? Or bumping the match day thread to tell everyone you thought we’d lose and we did? Or bumping the betting thread to follow up on a bet you said everyone should place? It’s a forum for discussion. The discussion in here at the moment is that there has been no positive signs, or any indication whatsoever the takeover is alive with any sort of decent pulse rate. It’s hardly obtuse to come in and discuss that. No news is a discussion point, especially when we’ve been waiting 14 months for something to happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoot Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 I suppose time will tell either way... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hhtoon Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 I understand why not sacking Bruce adds to the 'no takeover' narrative but I still think it can be spun as "I'm about to leave (post-arbitration) so I don't give a s*** about relegation or Bruce". Whilst I lose half the value of the club by doing so. Sorry not buying that spin. We don't know if agreements have been signed, promises made etc So are you trying to say PIF are willing to pay the 350 million if relegation occurs or that Ashley is ok with losing half the value of the club. Neither make any sense at all whichever way you look at it. Sorry again not buying that either. No, PIF won't pay 350m if relegated No, Ashley likely won't accept half - out of interest, where do you get this revised cost if relegated? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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