AyeDubbleYoo Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 9 minutes ago, andyc35i said: That’s a really well written letter I have to say and I never saw it last year. It really leaves me in no doubt that we have been royally fucked over here. PIF is a separate legal entity according to the laws in place and it is operated for the benefit of the KSA, but not by the KSA. That’s the public business line and how the PL can presume this is wrong is based on no actual evidence. This whole thing is just laughable and there’s clearly cloak and dagger bollocks going on here TBF, being a separate legal entity is great but it doesn’t mean the state don’t pull the strings in reality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloydianMag Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 5 minutes ago, gdm said: Nothing at all wrong with being positive there are plenty on here that’s positive that don’t repeat themselves constantly And there are negative posters who constantly repeat themselves, it isn’t a one way street. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloydianMag Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 3 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: TBF, being a separate legal entity is great but it doesn’t mean the state don’t pull the strings in reality. It isn’t about what the state may or may not do, it’s about separation of PIF which appears to have been established. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantail Breeze Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 3 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: TBF, being a separate legal entity is great but it doesn’t mean the state don’t pull the strings in reality. You could argue that about any organisation though, couldn’t you? I.e. do Russia have control over Chelsea with how bent they are and how close Abramovich is to Putin? The PL’s thought process that MBS will care about the minute detail of what happens in Newcastle has always confused me. I’m not even sure PIF will be that hands on and are more providing the finance for Staveley to run the show while they get some good press on the back of us being successful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, FloydianMag said: And there are negative posters who constantly repeat themselves, it isn’t a one way street. I know it’s almost like I was referring to that in my original post Point I was making was negative ones like Sean, penn etc rightly get hammered for it but the relentless positive ones get away with it. Human nature I suppose people naturally would rather hear/read postive things Edited May 16, 2021 by gdm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 4 minutes ago, FloydianMag said: It isn’t about what the state may or may not do, it’s about separation of PIF which appears to have been established. Not quite from what I understand. The test says something about anyone that might have the influence of a director who might not have been declared. Or something like that. I don’t think it’s just legal separation you need. Someone could be legally separate but still have influence that might qualify them. It’s a rule that’s open to biased application as well, of course. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyc35i Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 The shadow control thing always confuses me. You could argue that there’s so many different people that exert control over the business and I don’t see how you test this. It’s obvious to me (and anyone that has followed this thing over the last year) that they are using this to try and link everything to piracy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 27 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: TBF, being a separate legal entity is great but it doesn’t mean the state don’t pull the strings in reality. It's phenomenally ironic that the PL a might snag the Takeover because of concerns over outside influences Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ankles Bennett Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 It's all very well the EPL arguing that as head of state MBS should be a director and as such NUFC would be owned by the KSA, but judging by the volatile nature of KSA governance MBS could easily be deposed as head of state by the King in the same way the previous royal incumbent was deposed and replaced by MBS. So MBS would no longer be a representative of the KSA state. Would the EPL then demand that his royal replacement becomes a director of NUFC! I think not unless they want to cause an international incident. It's just nonsense that MBS should be a director before the O&D test can be concluded!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Broon Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, andyc35i said: The shadow control thing always confuses me. You could argue that there’s so many different people that exert control over the business and I don’t see how you test this. It’s obvious to me (and anyone that has followed this thing over the last year) that they are using this to try and link everything to piracy Yeah, even if the PL can make a sound case that the KSA would control the club, it's the way they've gone about things that will be the main issue for the CAT case I think. The delays, refusing to make a formal decision, failure to distance themselves from the influence of beIN and other premier league clubs, the leaking of negative information. That makes it look like their decision was not fair and balanced. Plus the potential inconsistency when set against what they've required from Man City and Crystal Palace. Edited May 16, 2021 by Jackie Broon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyc35i Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 That’s where my positive thinking comes in here. I just don’t see how they can argue that they acted fairly when all things are considered. I also find it funny how they argue about shadow influence, when it’s quite clear to everyone that BeIN and the Big Six exerted influence on the PL process. I’m thinking that when the season ends, some serious conversations will take place to stop this continuing to drag on through an anti competition case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 5 minutes ago, andyc35i said: That’s where my positive thinking comes in here. I just don’t see how they can argue that they acted fairly when all things are considered. I also find it funny how they argue about shadow influence, when it’s quite clear to everyone that BeIN and the Big Six exerted influence on the PL process. I’m thinking that when the season ends, some serious conversations will take place to stop this continuing to drag on through an anti competition case. The letter from Bein objecting to the move was a massive influence and Key's deleted tweets provide evidence that he knew what was going on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyc35i Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 What is this with Richard Keys that everyone refers to as evidence? I get that he works for BeIN, but I have obviously missed what the hairy bugger was saying last year about us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Broon Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 (edited) 12 minutes ago, andyc35i said: What is this with Richard Keys that everyone refers to as evidence? I get that he works for BeIN, but I have obviously missed what the hairy bugger was saying last year about us. That Hoffman is his BFF and will sort out the Newcastle issue. Edited May 16, 2021 by Jackie Broon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyc35i Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 9 minutes ago, Jackie Broon said: That Hoffman is his BFF and will sort out the Newcastle issue. What a prick! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Broon Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 When you watch that, set against the case made in NCSL's original letter before action, that the PL had a legal duty under competition law to publicly distances themselves from any hint of influence from beIN, it does not look good for them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Beginnings Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 Government are considering making the PL use an independent regulator for key decisions This is huge for the takeover! Pressure well and truly on! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantail Breeze Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 15 minutes ago, New Beginnings said: Government are considering making the PL use an independent regulator for key decisions This is huge for the takeover! Pressure well and truly on! Would that not happen in the future? And not relevant for us? A way of the government stamping authority after this shit show though. Good news in that sense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 2 minutes ago, POOT 2.0 said: Maybe, but as our takeover is going to be in the future...it might fall within it. Saying that...the government would probably take 3 years and £1.4B just to get it into play. And then appoint Masters and Hoffman as the independent regulators Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hhtoon Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 All these little bits and pieces that may look fairly innocuous on their own will hopefully add up to a unfavourable picture overall. The Bein influence could be a big part of the anti-competition case as it must have been discussed at length at the PL - meeting minutes and emails could be pretty interesting... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Beginnings Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 (edited) Tyson Fury has confirmed fight will be in Saudi Saudi will now be the 'hottest' (in more ways than one) destination on the planet. I think this could be great for us ? Edited May 16, 2021 by New Beginnings Spelling Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 2 minutes ago, New Beginnings said: Tyson Fury has confirmed fight will be in Saudi Saudi will now be the 'hottest' (in more ways than one) destination on the planet. I think this could be great for us ? Aye the fight is on the same day the Premier league starts, perfect day for a bit sport washing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 5 minutes ago, New Beginnings said: Tyson Fury has confirmed fight will be in Saudi Saudi will now be the 'hottest' (in more ways than one) destination on the planet. I think this could be great for us ? It’s not the first high profile fight to be there though. Isn’t Eddie Hearn a friend of Jamie Rueben? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Beginnings Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 12 minutes ago, Stifler said: It’s not the first high profile fight to be there though. Isn’t Eddie Hearn a friend of Jamie Rueben? By a country mile, its the biggest for a British audience This is a massive deal in world sport. Joshua v Fury is the biggest fight since Mayweather Pacquio Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hhtoon Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 32 minutes ago, New Beginnings said: Tyson Fury has confirmed fight will be in Saudi Saudi will now be the 'hottest' (in more ways than one) destination on the planet. I think this could be great for us ? He name dropped them a fair amount - Interesting to see if any negative press comes out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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