gdm Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 22 minutes ago, TRon said: The problem is, it's in no one's interests outside of Newcastle for the Saudi takeover to go through. You can understand why the PL would be hoping the courts would support them. It's NUFC against the rest of England in a way, and the PL is representing the rest of England. I think the case would have to be iron clad to persuade a judge to go against the PL. Luke knows this and he's enjoying it immensely. I tend to agree. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hhtoon Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 32 minutes ago, TRon said: The problem is, it's in no one's interests outside of Newcastle for the Saudi takeover to go through. You can understand why the PL would be hoping the courts would support them. It's NUFC against the rest of England in a way, and the PL is representing the rest of England. I think the case would have to be iron clad to persuade a judge to go against the PL. Luke knows this and he's enjoying it immensely. It has pretty much nil impact on anyone outside of football so I'm not too sure how much a judge is going to be swayed by the PL. Though we should probably attempt to dismiss any judge who supports a big 6 team due to bias Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 The government probably want it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wandy Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 1 hour ago, nbthree3 said: Everyone has an opinion, here's another He's very likely to be correct. But he's still a complete thundercunt though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wandy Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 One thing is for sure. If it does somehow go against all the odds and get passed through, the likes of Slater will be doing anything in their power from there on to unsettle us as a club. They aren't just going to let this go. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
et tu brute Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 25 minutes ago, Wandy said: One thing is for sure. If it does somehow go against all the odds and get passed through, the likes of Slater will be doing anything in their power from there on to unsettle us as a club. They aren't just going to let this go. Ask Man City fans they say the same, but even though it does piss them off a bit, they can enjoy a total enjoyment of watching great football and an ever increasing amount of trophies. If we are lucky enough to actually get this takeover, we will no doubt receive even more bad press than Man City, but we can look forward to having a club trying to achieve the best they can and probably going onto a different level. We didn’t win anything under Keegan (and to a lesser extent Robson), but those days of actually being excited about going to a game and being entertained is the one thing I would love to witness again. The next few months is probably our final chance for an eternity for that to happen. I’m at the stage of finally turning my back for what could be a probable number of years on something I love deeply and had over 40 years of being a season ticket holder (through good and bad). I just can’t take one more year of Ashley dismantling the enjoyment brick by brick any longer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty66 Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 (edited) 51 minutes ago, RS said: The government probably want it. Someone coming in an spending millions in the North without any need for government money, while the government make a shit load of tax out of it? I'd say they most definitely want it. They won't give a shit about the football but the prospect of development would certainly make them welcome it. Edited May 27, 2021 by Scotty66 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wandy Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 5 minutes ago, et tu brute said: Ask Man City fans they say the same, but even though it does piss them off a bit, they can enjoy a total enjoyment of watching great football and an ever increasing amount of trophies. If we are lucky enough to actually get this takeover, we will no doubt receive even more bad press than Man City, but we can look forward to having a club trying to achieve the best they can and probably going onto a different level. We didn’t win anything under Keegan (and to a lesser extent Robson), but those days of actually being excited about going to a game and being entertained is the one thing I would love to witness again. The next few months is probably our final chance for an eternity for that to happen. I’m at the stage of finally turning my back for what could be a probable number of years on something I love deeply and had over 40 years of being a season ticket holder (through good and bad). I just can’t take one more year of Ashley dismantling the enjoyment brick by brick any longer. I'm in pretty much a similar situation. 1985 when I started going. My heart says this takeover will happen but my head says it won't. There are people in key positions that will ensure it will be blocked, and that will be the end for me. I couldn't continue to watch football knowing how deeply corrupt the game is at the highest level. Don't get me wrong though, if it does somehow happen, I welcome all of the envy, animosity and antagonism that will come with it. Most loathed club in the country? Bring it on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantail Breeze Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 You lot are all so negative! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candi_Hills Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 There’ll be loads of people with connected interests who want the takeover. Anyone whose politics revolve around the bottom line of the national balance sheet will want it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Consortium of one Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 16 minutes ago, Fantail Breeze said: You lot are all so negative! don't say negative! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mighty__mag Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 9 hours ago, manorpark said: For goodness sake, let's change the title of the "Optimism Thread" to the "Realism Thread", to accurately reflect the truth. It will not be long now until you all realise the truth. Honestly I was just being a tease Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 I found this funny in the current circumstances Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 11 hours ago, Hhtoon said: It has pretty much nil impact on anyone outside of football so I'm not too sure how much a judge is going to be swayed by the PL. Though we should probably attempt to dismiss any judge who supports a big 6 team due to bias Which is why the opponents of the takeover are making such a big deal of the buyers being part of an evil Saudi regime. Even if a judge isn't interested in football, that is likely going to see them unconsciously wanting to side with the PL. One of the reasons surely why the PL will still be hoping arbitration goes in their favour. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ankles Bennett Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 Whatever argument we rely upon in the CAT and Arbitration tribunals it must be supported by binding case law otherwise our argument will be as effective as a bucket of water full of holes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Broon Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 18 hours ago, Fantail Breeze said: That’s not really how it works at all. Getting the case thrown out before it even starts is ideal. They don’t have to go through any court case at all. Even if they are 95% certain they’ll win, getting the case thrown out removes the 5% possibility of losing. Nobody can go into a court case being 100% certain they’ll win. So it’s fairly straightforward to want to challenge it. That's why I think there is a reasonable chance the PL will settle if their challenge fails. Even if they are 95% certain they'll win both the arbitration and CAT cases, that 5% chance would have huge consequences both for the PL and personally for the board. Whereas, it's risk free for Ashley, already paid for by the deposit. If the PL go through with the arbitration and lose, they would no longer have any leverage to get out of the CAT case. There's also no chance that the PL are really 95% confident in winning the arbitration. If that were the case they would have just made a formal decision last June, allowed the club to appeal that decision and it would have been wrapped up one way or the other long ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 Does Mike ever win a court case? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 My main hope for this court case was that the EPL would see the court documents, make up some excuse about their robust O & D test and wave it through. It looks like this could get messy and take a long time, its just so exhausting and tedius. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candi_Hills Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 (edited) 38 minutes ago, RS said: Does Mike ever win a court case? Ashley vs The Parents of St. Lukes Primary School 1981 Mike successfully had a memorial to 17 bus crash victims taken down after the judge agreed that it was partially blocking an 'everything must go' sign. Edited May 28, 2021 by Candi_Hills Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjohnson Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 50 minutes ago, RS said: Does Mike ever win a court case? Dave Whelan says hi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 He has in the past allegedly had a successful court case stopping some unsavoury reporting of his ‘activities’ in the media go in his favour... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Broon Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Ankles Bennett said: Whatever argument we rely upon in the CAT and Arbitration tribunals it must be supported by binding case law otherwise our argument will be as effective as a bucket of water full of holes. They're not going to bring a case that's not supported by case law, Barristers are walking encyclopedias of case law and experts at fitting pieces of case law to suit their argument, that's what they get paid a lot of money to do. It won't be a simple as there being one identical case that is entirely relied on. Also, new case law is regularly established, how would that happen without judges making decisions on matters that aren't fully covered by existing case law or reinterpreting / contradicting previous case law? Edited May 28, 2021 by Jackie Broon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 1 hour ago, Jackie Broon said: That's why I think there is a reasonable chance the PL will settle if their challenge fails. Even if they are 95% certain they'll win both the arbitration and CAT cases, that 5% chance would have huge consequences both for the PL and personally for the board. Whereas, it's risk free for Ashley, already paid for by the deposit. If the PL go through with the arbitration and lose, they would no longer have any leverage to get out of the CAT case. There's also no chance that the PL are really 95% confident in winning the arbitration. If that were the case they would have just made a formal decision last June, allowed the club to appeal that decision and it would have been wrapped up one way or the other long ago. By the same token, if the case is not costing Ashley money because it's already paid out of the deposit, he might be taking the approach it's worth a punt even if he doesn't think he'll win. Not sure the idea that it's risk free is necessarily a good thing in that regard. If he was sinking significant investment into fighting the case then you would imagine he'd only do that if he thought he had a very good chance of winning. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishops Finger Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Ben said: My main hope for this court case was that the EPL would see the court documents, make up some excuse about their robust O & D test and wave it through. It looks like this could get messy and take a long time, its just so exhausting and tedius. Plus it's giving Bacon Boy another chance to get us relegated Edited May 28, 2021 by Bishops Finger Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_R Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 1 hour ago, Jackie Broon said: That's why I think there is a reasonable chance the PL will settle if their challenge fails. Even if they are 95% certain they'll win both the arbitration and CAT cases, that 5% chance would have huge consequences both for the PL and personally for the board. Whereas, it's risk free for Ashley, already paid for by the deposit. If the PL go through with the arbitration and lose, they would no longer have any leverage to get out of the CAT case. There's also no chance that the PL are really 95% confident in winning the arbitration. If that were the case they would have just made a formal decision last June, allowed the club to appeal that decision and it would have been wrapped up one way or the other long ago. They may well settle, but settling won't mean allowing the takeover through. It'll be cash to Ashley or something. Last thing the PL will ever do is let the takeover through. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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