PlymouthGeordie Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 I am of the opinion (maybe wrongly) that the only way the takeover goes thru is a win in arbitration. All this stuff about bein being switched on etc is just noise. We seem to have a good case and the best people on it but let’s be honest arbitration could go either way. honestly wish a decision would come soon just to put it to bed but that’s probably unlikely This is where I am to be honest. If arbitration goes our way then we'll get the takeover as PIF will be confirmed as separate to the state and therefore piracy is no longer an issue. Given arbitration can go either way in my mind the takeover is 50/50. Most annoying thing is not having a timeframe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 I agree with him that nothing is probably "imminent", but Luke would have you believe that there is zero possibility of the takeover happening in the coming weeks and months which is clearly not true. Things have changed and have changed in our favour (Bein for example). This is the same Luke Edwards who has been embarrassing himself in recent weeks, but especially recent days, Tweeting utter nonsense about Steve Bruce. He is also a constant troll to Newcastle fans and opening admits to it. While I'm not sure on how reliable every Newcastle Consortium Supporters Tweet is, I know for a fact nothing Edwards says is worth listening to. Luke is a troll, but he was the first to report the Willock deal and first to confirm Choudry wasn't coming so regardless of the fact he is a wind up merchant of the highest order it is clear not everything he says is nonsense. I do agree though that he comes across as having the viewpoint the takeover has no chance when I don't see how that can be the case give arbitration etc. Means nowt. He's on good terms with Bruce so he could get stuff like that off him no problem. Off field matters such as the takeover are different altogether. Off field matters are different, but again, he was first to confirm issues with the deal in the summer and the first to confirm it had fallen through so unfortunately on two bits of really shit news he was right. We can't just discredit his sources because he's a dick. Anyway, back to the confirmation we have have about Keith being "in direct contact" with those involved in the bid... He's probably the only reporter up here still on good terms with Bruce so for transfers and team news he could well have a direct source there. Considering he's been against Staveley and her Consortium from the start I very much doubt they are giving him any inside info. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 I am of the opinion (maybe wrongly) that the only way the takeover goes thru is a win in arbitration. All this stuff about bein being switched on etc is just noise. We seem to have a good case and the best people on it but let’s be honest arbitration could go either way. honestly wish a decision would come soon just to put it to bed but that’s probably unlikely This is where I am to be honest. If arbitration goes our way then we'll get the takeover as PIF will be confirmed as separate to the state and therefore piracy is no longer an issue. Given arbitration can go either way in my mind the takeover is 50/50. Most annoying thing is not having a timeframe. Yeah 50/50 is where I’m at. No one seems to want to address the one issue masters actually confirmed there was and that is if PIF are a separate entity or not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlymouthGeordie Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 I agree with him that nothing is probably "imminent", but Luke would have you believe that there is zero possibility of the takeover happening in the coming weeks and months which is clearly not true. Things have changed and have changed in our favour (Bein for example). This is the same Luke Edwards who has been embarrassing himself in recent weeks, but especially recent days, Tweeting utter nonsense about Steve Bruce. He is also a constant troll to Newcastle fans and opening admits to it. While I'm not sure on how reliable every Newcastle Consortium Supporters Tweet is, I know for a fact nothing Edwards says is worth listening to. Luke is a troll, but he was the first to report the Willock deal and first to confirm Choudry wasn't coming so regardless of the fact he is a wind up merchant of the highest order it is clear not everything he says is nonsense. I do agree though that he comes across as having the viewpoint the takeover has no chance when I don't see how that can be the case give arbitration etc. Means nowt. He's on good terms with Bruce so he could get stuff like that off him no problem. Off field matters such as the takeover are different altogether. Off field matters are different, but again, he was first to confirm issues with the deal in the summer and the first to confirm it had fallen through so unfortunately on two bits of really s*** news he was right. We can't just discredit his sources because he's a dick. Anyway, back to the confirmation we have have about Keith being "in direct contact" with those involved in the bid... He's probably the only reporter up here still on good terms with Bruce so for transfers and team news he could well have a direct source there. Considering he's been against Staveley and her Consortium from the start I very much doubt they are giving him any inside info. I don't think he's against them, I just think he took their confidence with a pinch of salt which is what Caulkin etc are now doing. If you look at the piece Caulkin did in the athletic recently, he even said the buyers confidence means nothing anymore as it has proven to be misplaced. Luke may not have sources with the buyer, he could have sources with the seller or PL. I just think he obviously has a contact somewhere within the deal as he was first to confirm it had collapsed. I know he's not popular on here and I know he revels in playing the villain. But looking at it objectively, he can't be discredited (Mauriss aside) just because we don't like him when he is proven to have accurately reported on the Saudi takeover at various stages. Keith on the other hand, was telling Kennedy and anyone that would listen that his case would be done and dusted within the courts with 5 months. We're now well past that deadline and he hasn't even followed up his LBA. I know he's a fan and on the one hand I admire his perseverance, but on the other hand, I don't understand why he doesn't get questioned on things he said would happen but didn't? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantail Breeze Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 I agree with him that nothing is probably "imminent", but Luke would have you believe that there is zero possibility of the takeover happening in the coming weeks and months which is clearly not true. Things have changed and have changed in our favour (Bein for example). This is the same Luke Edwards who has been embarrassing himself in recent weeks, but especially recent days, Tweeting utter nonsense about Steve Bruce. He is also a constant troll to Newcastle fans and opening admits to it. While I'm not sure on how reliable every Newcastle Consortium Supporters Tweet is, I know for a fact nothing Edwards says is worth listening to. Luke is a troll, but he was the first to report the Willock deal and first to confirm Choudry wasn't coming so regardless of the fact he is a wind up merchant of the highest order it is clear not everything he says is nonsense. I do agree though that he comes across as having the viewpoint the takeover has no chance when I don't see how that can be the case give arbitration etc. Means nowt. He's on good terms with Bruce so he could get stuff like that off him no problem. Off field matters such as the takeover are different altogether. Off field matters are different, but again, he was first to confirm issues with the deal in the summer and the first to confirm it had fallen through so unfortunately on two bits of really s*** news he was right. We can't just discredit his sources because he's a dick. Anyway, back to the confirmation we have have about Keith being "in direct contact" with those involved in the bid... He's probably the only reporter up here still on good terms with Bruce so for transfers and team news he could well have a direct source there. Considering he's been against Staveley and her Consortium from the start I very much doubt they are giving him any inside info. That’s the point though. Staveley and the consortium’s news/inside info has rarely been correct. Their enthusiasm has been misplaced and they’re yet to deliver. It’s probably a benefit to Edwards that he isn’t getting information from them. Whereas the people who are, seem to be jumping up and down the loudest telling us this will be imminent/soon/February/March/some time in the future. Bein/Qatar/PL hold the cards in this deal. Jacobs is the man to listen to. He believes a pathway is there for a deal to be done but is also clear the pathway contains a large number of obstructions to get past first. When he is confident it’s imminent, I will be too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 He needs to stop. Seriously Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 I agree with him that nothing is probably "imminent", but Luke would have you believe that there is zero possibility of the takeover happening in the coming weeks and months which is clearly not true. Things have changed and have changed in our favour (Bein for example). This is the same Luke Edwards who has been embarrassing himself in recent weeks, but especially recent days, Tweeting utter nonsense about Steve Bruce. He is also a constant troll to Newcastle fans and opening admits to it. While I'm not sure on how reliable every Newcastle Consortium Supporters Tweet is, I know for a fact nothing Edwards says is worth listening to. Luke is a troll, but he was the first to report the Willock deal and first to confirm Choudry wasn't coming so regardless of the fact he is a wind up merchant of the highest order it is clear not everything he says is nonsense. I do agree though that he comes across as having the viewpoint the takeover has no chance when I don't see how that can be the case give arbitration etc. Means nowt. He's on good terms with Bruce so he could get stuff like that off him no problem. Off field matters such as the takeover are different altogether. Like Henry Mauriss, and the fact that only this week he was shown up big style after reporting Jones hadn’t taken any training sessions. The bloke is in my opinion the worst reporter going alongside Ryder. Exactly this! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 NCSL Keith might do something good, I don't know, really have no idea what effect he might have so far. Nonetheless he's one annoying gobshite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 NCSL is such a hard cringe, man. Loses credibility with each tweet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperFlat Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 Take it this is why the other guy left? Less of an attention seeking gobshite? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Jinx Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 Some people shouldn’t be allowed on social media, they simply can’t play nice. If Keith wasn’t doing this he’d be arguing with people on a Madeleine McCann FB group, he’s the sort. I’m not knocking his efforts in relation to the takeover (whatever his real motivation) but the more he talks the less credibility his “consortium” has. He needs to go radio silent for a while for his own sake as much as other supporters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candi_Hills Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 I agree with him that nothing is probably "imminent", but Luke would have you believe that there is zero possibility of the takeover happening in the coming weeks and months which is clearly not true. Things have changed and have changed in our favour (Bein for example). This is the same Luke Edwards who has been embarrassing himself in recent weeks, but especially recent days, Tweeting utter nonsense about Steve Bruce. He is also a constant troll to Newcastle fans and opening admits to it. While I'm not sure on how reliable every Newcastle Consortium Supporters Tweet is, I know for a fact nothing Edwards says is worth listening to. Luke is a troll, but he was the first to report the Willock deal and first to confirm Choudry wasn't coming so regardless of the fact he is a wind up merchant of the highest order it is clear not everything he says is nonsense. I do agree though that he comes across as having the viewpoint the takeover has no chance when I don't see how that can be the case give arbitration etc. Means nowt. He's on good terms with Bruce so he could get stuff like that off him no problem. Off field matters such as the takeover are different altogether. Off field matters are different, but again, he was first to confirm issues with the deal in the summer and the first to confirm it had fallen through so unfortunately on two bits of really s*** news he was right. We can't just discredit his sources because he's a dick. Anyway, back to the confirmation we have have about Keith being "in direct contact" with those involved in the bid... He's probably the only reporter up here still on good terms with Bruce so for transfers and team news he could well have a direct source there. Considering he's been against Staveley and her Consortium from the start I very much doubt they are giving him any inside info. I don't think he's against them, I just think he took their confidence with a pinch of salt which is what Caulkin etc are now doing. If you look at the piece Caulkin did in the athletic recently, he even said the buyers confidence means nothing anymore as it has proven to be misplaced. Luke may not have sources with the buyer, he could have sources with the seller or PL. I just think he obviously has a contact somewhere within the deal as he was first to confirm it had collapsed. I know he's not popular on here and I know he revels in playing the villain. But looking at it objectively, he can't be discredited (Mauriss aside) just because we don't like him when he is proven to have accurately reported on the Saudi takeover at various stages. Keith on the other hand, was telling Kennedy and anyone that would listen that his case would be done and dusted within the courts with 5 months. We're now well past that deadline and he hasn't even followed up his LBA. I know he's a fan and on the one hand I admire his perseverance, but on the other hand, I don't understand why he doesn't get questioned on things he said would happen but didn't? Regarding your earlier comment that Keith's case has nothing to do with the club's case, I'm not sure how true that is. I won't pretend to be well versed on legal matters but it makes sense to me that two parties bringing legal cases against the PL over broadly the same issue would be in contact with each other. If Keith is to be believed, they're trying to get the deal done without arbiration, and if that doesn't happen he'll be pressing on with his case. Reading between the lines there, the implication seems to be that De Marco is orchestrating things and has asked Keith to hang fire for now. None of that seems unfeasible to me. I agree with your stance on Caulkin though. I don't see how he "got it wrong last time" either. He relayed the confidence coming from the buyers said and then it didn't happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty66 Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 I definitely think NCSL know a lot about what's going on with the takeover situation,however to say that article is attacking and undermining Staveley is strange, it doesn't say anything bad and hasn't been written in that tone at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 Whether people rate or even trust Caulkin or Edwards, to think Keith has better sources than either of them is just bizzare. Caulkin has been reporting on the club for over 20 years and on this particular story has had multiple sit downs with Staveley. As for Luke, as much as he is the most egotistical, patronising pr*ck going he was the first person to call out the takeover had hit a roadblock in the summer so he clearly has some good contacts on this story too. For someone who claims to not want the fanfare and attention, Keith certainly does his best to remain in the limelight with his constant tweeting and appearances on NUFC matters. Good luck to him with his own case and if that has an impact then fair play. I just fail to see how he has any inside information on the club's case as the two are completely separate of each other and Ashley isn't exactly going to want DeMarco sharing information with a fan who is drip feeding people "information". Caulkin got just about everything wrong regarding the takeover last year, which is why he's hardly mentioned it since. Whatever people think of Keith, he's in direct contact with people involved in the deal. Caulkin definitely was in contact with the buyers. Unfortunately their info was so far from accurate he has decided not to regurgitate in any more. Whether Keith is or not is anyones guess, but I wouldn't expect a different outcome this time if he is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 He needs to stop. Seriously What a desperate little dweeb. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottishMagpie Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 I'm not having a pop at the bloke, after all he's put his own time/money in to this but what actual effect has he had? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 I'm not having a pop at the bloke, after all he's put his own time/money in to this but what actual effect has he had? In reality or in Keith's head? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlymouthGeordie Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 I agree with him that nothing is probably "imminent", but Luke would have you believe that there is zero possibility of the takeover happening in the coming weeks and months which is clearly not true. Things have changed and have changed in our favour (Bein for example). This is the same Luke Edwards who has been embarrassing himself in recent weeks, but especially recent days, Tweeting utter nonsense about Steve Bruce. He is also a constant troll to Newcastle fans and opening admits to it. While I'm not sure on how reliable every Newcastle Consortium Supporters Tweet is, I know for a fact nothing Edwards says is worth listening to. Luke is a troll, but he was the first to report the Willock deal and first to confirm Choudry wasn't coming so regardless of the fact he is a wind up merchant of the highest order it is clear not everything he says is nonsense. I do agree though that he comes across as having the viewpoint the takeover has no chance when I don't see how that can be the case give arbitration etc. Means nowt. He's on good terms with Bruce so he could get stuff like that off him no problem. Off field matters such as the takeover are different altogether. Off field matters are different, but again, he was first to confirm issues with the deal in the summer and the first to confirm it had fallen through so unfortunately on two bits of really s*** news he was right. We can't just discredit his sources because he's a dick. Anyway, back to the confirmation we have have about Keith being "in direct contact" with those involved in the bid... He's probably the only reporter up here still on good terms with Bruce so for transfers and team news he could well have a direct source there. Considering he's been against Staveley and her Consortium from the start I very much doubt they are giving him any inside info. I don't think he's against them, I just think he took their confidence with a pinch of salt which is what Caulkin etc are now doing. If you look at the piece Caulkin did in the athletic recently, he even said the buyers confidence means nothing anymore as it has proven to be misplaced. Luke may not have sources with the buyer, he could have sources with the seller or PL. I just think he obviously has a contact somewhere within the deal as he was first to confirm it had collapsed. I know he's not popular on here and I know he revels in playing the villain. But looking at it objectively, he can't be discredited (Mauriss aside) just because we don't like him when he is proven to have accurately reported on the Saudi takeover at various stages. Keith on the other hand, was telling Kennedy and anyone that would listen that his case would be done and dusted within the courts with 5 months. We're now well past that deadline and he hasn't even followed up his LBA. I know he's a fan and on the one hand I admire his perseverance, but on the other hand, I don't understand why he doesn't get questioned on things he said would happen but didn't? Regarding your earlier comment that Keith's case has nothing to do with the club's case, I'm not sure how true that is. I won't pretend to be well versed on legal matters but it makes sense to me that two parties bringing legal cases against the PL over broadly the same issue would be in contact with each other. If Keith is to be believed, they're trying to get the deal done without arbiration, and if that doesn't happen he'll be pressing on with his case. Reading between the lines there, the implication seems to be that De Marco is orchestrating things and has asked Keith to hang fire for now. None of that seems unfeasible to me. I agree with your stance on Caulkin though. I don't see how he "got it wrong last time" either. He relayed the confidence coming from the buyers said and then it didn't happen. Yeah that is a fair enough position to take. Like you say, none of us know where the legal case stands, how strong it is, when it'll be heard etc so everything is up for debate. Keith isn't doing himself any favours today mind and my main grip is him and Liam Kennedy clearly jumped the gun with their "PL will be forced to open their books and if they don't it'll be sorted in court within 5 months" headlines they were shouting from the rooftops when NCSL first came on the scene. It is now clear that was never going to be the case. Like everyone, I'm desperate for the takeover to happen but I'm just trying to be pragmatic. I won't discredit Luke Edwards information just because it's bad news or I don't like him. Equally, it is clear that with arbitration and the Saudi/Qatar peace deal that there is a chance it could happen. For me, the most frustrating thing is we could be here in April/May and still be in the dark with everything. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty66 Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 I'm not having a pop at the bloke, after all he's put his own time/money in to this but what actual effect has he had? All we know is that he has a legal case against the PL lined up after the arbitration (if it fails). There is no public proof of this, so it's either you believe him or you don't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHoob Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 The buyers were apparently given reassurance by the PL that there were no red flags. And reporting that the takeover being fairly close follows on from that. Just because it didn't go through doesn't mean that the above wasn't true at the time it was reported. Genuinely astounded people still have to defend Caulkin. Do people think he could go to Masters and have it in writing that the takeover was going to sail through so that he could check his source? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 The buyers were apparently given reassurance by the PL that there were no red flags. And reporting that the takeover being fairly close follows on from that. Just because it didn't go through doesn't mean that the above wasn't true at the time it was reported. Genuinely astounded people still have to defend Caulkin. Do people think he could go to Masters and have it in writing that the takeover was going to sail through so that he could check his source? Yeah I’m sure the way it was reported was PL said there shouldn’t be a problem then on a certain date they completely changed their stance. Apparently it was after Hoffman came in it all changed. Caulkin was never reporting wrong information. Things just changed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty66 Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 Also remember Edwards previously said Mike Ashley is done with the deal and has given up. Absolute shit because as we know he got a legal team involved and started a case against the PL almost straight away. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 I'm not having a pop at the bloke, after all he's put his own time/money in to this but what actual effect has he had? All we know is that he has a legal case against the PL lined up after the arbitration (if it fails). There is no public proof of this, so it's either you believe him or you don't. I’ll always say fair play for being active and putting quite a lot of his own money in but for me his credibility has completely gone today. (According to a post on here, I didn’t watch it) Just last week he said on wraiths podcast that he thinks it’ll be done by March then today he tweets that he’s “not sure who’s making these ‘reports’ (that it will be done by March) it was literally you mate ffs Also arguing with journalists about wether he is in touch with one of the buyers is an awful look. He needs to give twitter a by like Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 Can't be more than a couple of weeks away from the NCSL lad jacking it in the streets of San Diego. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty66 Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 Yeah I agree his rants on twitter and his sarcastic tone doesn't come across well, even if he is doing good work for the takeover. It seems anyone who has a different point of view or different take on the things than him, get immediately shot down, followed by a load of laughing faces and zebras From seeing him on the podcast I think he's a decent bloke with good intentions. It's just his social media presence that is poor. Like I've said before though, I genuinely think it's because it's all new to him and its like he's 10 years behind when it comes to knowing how to deal with it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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