et tu brute Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 Call me optimistic but so f***? 15 people travelling on 2 planes owned by the fund ran by the prince?? Yes its a link between PIF (and therefore MBS) and the asassination but its a small link. Very small if you ask me. You're right, it's difficult to know how much the PL look into this sort of thing, if they were fussed they would severe ties with Saudi full stop (they won't). I'm not convinced they're back at the table, but if they are I don't think it's nailed on this would sink it. Surety this gives the Premier League legal team the exact link they have been looking for and this will be widely reported in the press so I’m pretty sure it will sink in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStar Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 I mean, objectively the takeover should absolutely be blocked on moral grounds, even if that's not the actual reason for the PL doing it. PIF are orders of magnitude worse than Ashley as people, even if they'd be far better for the footballing success of the club and region. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collage Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 Of course I want a takeover but part of me is relieved. Saudi ownership would be problematic to say the least. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 Of course I want a takeover but part of me is relieved. Saudi ownership would be problematic to say the least. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awaymag Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 Of course I want a takeover but part of me is relieved. Saudi ownership would be problematic to say the least. Well I can't face a NUFC with Ashley, Charnley and Bruce as that is only going to end one way......down. And for that reason I am out! Got better things to do! I might come back if a new owner is found with a little bit of ambition! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 I think it gives them a perfect reason to fuck it off. And you could argue rightly so. Things is though, for whatever reason, it seem like the PL won't, or don't want to, officially reject it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinitely Content Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 Of course I want a takeover but part of me is relieved. Saudi ownership would be problematic to say the least. Have to agree. As much as I was caught up in the delirium of having such rich owners, it was almost secondary to getting Ashley out. I'd be more than happy with moderately ambitious owners who may not get us into the top 6, but would bring back that feeling at the beginning of a season of "we could do something here". We all know a new season is met with nothing but apathy and dread these days. Someone shared that video of Rafa taking to the pitch after a game a few seasons ago, hugging the players, applauding the fans. The atmosphere in that video is all I want alongside the right to dream that we could do something. I don't think it takes state-rich Saudi ownership to get that back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 I think that’s it now tbh, this completely ends it and at least we know. I’m done as far as any last hope or care for the club now and Ashley deserves the relegation and years of being stuck in the championship they are on their way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
et tu brute Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 Of course I want a takeover but part of me is relieved. Saudi ownership would be problematic to say the least. Well I can't face a NUFC with Ashley, Charnley and Bruce as that is only going to end one way......down. And for that reason I am out! Got better things to do! I might come back if a new owner is found with a little bit of ambition! I’ve no doubt that this takeover not going ahead will result in Ashley being here a few more years and the hatches being battened down even firmer. We’re heading for a total collapse of this club and something even far worse than the last 14 years. Frightening thought though not a surprise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thumbheed Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 So is the argument now that PIF have knowingly facilitated the murder of Khashoggi? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 So is the argument now that PIF have knowingly facilitated the murder of Khashoggi? Nope, the argument is there is a clear link between PIF and MBS. The murder is pretty irrelevant to the takeover. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMTTS Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 So is the argument now that PIF have knowingly facilitated the murder of Khashoggi? The point is more that the PIF ultimately operates under the absolute control of MBS. So yes day-to-day operations are managed by his appointments, but ultimately if he wants to commandeer PIF-owned planes to facilitate the murder of a journalist then there's fuck all anyone can do about it. So no one can ever push the "fully independent" line with a straight face. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
et tu brute Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 So is the argument now that PIF have knowingly facilitated the murder of Khashoggi? The point is more that the PIF ultimately operates under the absolute control of MBS. So yes day-to-day operations are managed by his appointments, but ultimately if he wants to commandeer PIF-owned planes to facilitate the murder of a journalist then there's f*** all anyone can do about it. So no one can ever push the "fully independent" line with a straight face. When are you going to post on other threads which involve matches, Bruce. Ashley etc. Oh wait you won’t because you’re not a Newcastle fan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMTTS Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 So is the argument now that PIF have knowingly facilitated the murder of Khashoggi? The point is more that the PIF ultimately operates under the absolute control of MBS. So yes day-to-day operations are managed by his appointments, but ultimately if he wants to commandeer PIF-owned planes to facilitate the murder of a journalist then there's f*** all anyone can do about it. So no one can ever push the "fully independent" line with a straight face. When are you going to post on other threads which involve matches, Bruce. Ashley etc. Oh wait you won’t because you’re not a Newcastle fan You've rumbled me - I've been running a decade-long deep cover operation pretending to be a Newcastle fan so I can attempt to undermine a future Saudi-takeover attempt. More gems from the N-O brains trust. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoot Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 It comes down to are PIF separate from Saudi once again. If they are then this news changes nothing. So it's as you were until de Marco proves or doesn't prove PIF''s separation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
et tu brute Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 So is the argument now that PIF have knowingly facilitated the murder of Khashoggi? The point is more that the PIF ultimately operates under the absolute control of MBS. So yes day-to-day operations are managed by his appointments, but ultimately if he wants to commandeer PIF-owned planes to facilitate the murder of a journalist then there's f*** all anyone can do about it. So no one can ever push the "fully independent" line with a straight face. When are you going to post on other threads which involve matches, Bruce. Ashley etc. Oh wait you won’t because you’re not a Newcastle fan You've rumbled me - I've been running a decade-long deep cover operation pretending to be a Newcastle fan so I can attempt to undermine a future Saudi-takeover attempt. More gems from the N-O brains trust. Ok Luke show me all your match day posts then I’m sure you can find loads over a decade. Oh wait you didn’t even have this account 6 months ago Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thumbheed Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 So is the argument now that PIF have knowingly facilitated the murder of Khashoggi? The point is more that the PIF ultimately operates under the absolute control of MBS. So yes day-to-day operations are managed by his appointments, but ultimately if he wants to commandeer PIF-owned planes to facilitate the murder of a journalist then there's f*** all anyone can do about it. So no one can ever push the "fully independent" line with a straight face. OK, so how would the EPL actually prove that to be the case? Doesn't the proof of non-separation need to be more hard wired than anecdotal evidence? Why would that implicate PIF and make the argument EPL trying to make any different to what they're already presenting? Genuine question bytheway, it just seems the fact MBS is chairman of PIF is more compelling evidence itself than this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 So is the argument now that PIF have knowingly facilitated the murder of Khashoggi? The point is more that the PIF ultimately operates under the absolute control of MBS. So yes day-to-day operations are managed by his appointments, but ultimately if he wants to commandeer PIF-owned planes to facilitate the murder of a journalist then there's fuck all anyone can do about it. So no one can ever push the "fully independent" line with a straight face. On this basis, this isn't new information. We've always known that MBS chairs PIF and that there are definite links between it and the state. Everything hinges on whether or not De Marco et al can sufficiently argue against the fact that the link is an absolutely fundamental one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStar Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 So is the argument now that PIF have knowingly facilitated the murder of Khashoggi? Nope, the argument is there is a clear link between PIF and MBS. The murder is pretty irrelevant to the takeover. Almost comic really "Aha, we've discovered that you were in control of PIF when you ordered them to slaughter someone!" "So I can't take over the club because I'm a murderer?" "Oh, no, no, it's just that the receipt for the murder ties you to them, and the murderers were illegally streaming footy matches." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thumbheed Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 So is the argument now that PIF have knowingly facilitated the murder of Khashoggi? The point is more that the PIF ultimately operates under the absolute control of MBS. So yes day-to-day operations are managed by his appointments, but ultimately if he wants to commandeer PIF-owned planes to facilitate the murder of a journalist then there's f*** all anyone can do about it. So no one can ever push the "fully independent" line with a straight face. On this basis, this isn't new information. We've always known that MBS chairs PIF and that there are definite links between it and the state. Everything hinges on whether or not De Marco et al can sufficiently argue against the fact that the link is an absolutely fundamental one. Aye, basically this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big River Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 So is the argument now that PIF have knowingly facilitated the murder of Khashoggi? The point is more that the PIF ultimately operates under the absolute control of MBS. So yes day-to-day operations are managed by his appointments, but ultimately if he wants to commandeer PIF-owned planes to facilitate the murder of a journalist then there's f*** all anyone can do about it. So no one can ever push the "fully independent" line with a straight face. When are you going to post on other threads which involve matches, Bruce. Ashley etc. Oh wait you won’t because you’re not a Newcastle fan You've rumbled me - I've been running a decade-long deep cover operation pretending to be a Newcastle fan so I can attempt to undermine a future Saudi-takeover attempt. More gems from the N-O brains trust. Ok Luke show me all your match day posts then I’m sure you can find loads over a decade. Oh wait you didn’t even have this account 6 months ago Here you go: https://www.newcastle-online.org/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=11117;area=showposts;start=525 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazarus Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 Anyway - this from a CIA report. Are they suddenly trustworthy? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 Anyway - this from a CIA report. Are they suddenly trustworthy? That's the spirit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazarus Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 Anyway - this from a CIA report. Are they suddenly trustworthy? That's the spirit Should i be the positivity thread? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
morpeth mag Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 Anyway - this from a CIA report. Are they suddenly trustworthy? JFK trusted them with his life. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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