Wandy Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 This shambles has strengthed our case in any legal battle, there cannot be any doubt about that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Jinx Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 4 minutes ago, Wandy said: This shambles has strengthed our case in any legal battle, there cannot be any doubt about that. It has, in fact that it fell apart probably had more to do with the “big 6” lobbying other clubs to kick off about it as it did about BeIn or Qatar. There’s not a chance those clubs will be in a position to approach anyone in the near future. It would be a great time to push this through as there’s so much other more newsworthy stuff happening that all the negative press that would normally come our way could only be a fraction this time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 If the hitch is still separation between PIF/the state then I don't see how the events of the last 72 hours has any sway on the takeover at all, tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wandy Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 1 minute ago, Dr Jinx said: It has, in fact that it fell apart probably had more to do with the “big 6” lobbying other clubs to kick off about it as it did about BeIn or Qatar. There’s not a chance those clubs will be in a position to approach anyone in the near future. It would be a great time to push this through as there’s so much other more newsworthy stuff happening that all the negative press that would normally come our way could only be a fraction this time. Agree. And to be honest, the government could legitimately get involved in this now...in full glow of the media...and force it through, playing on the clear evidence that the game is bent, controlled by a cartel and in need of serious reform. And there would be nothing any of the shysters in the media could say against it. The evidence is irrefutable. We said last summer there was a cabal of owners controlling the game and the evidence is now out there for everyone to see. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazarus Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 2 minutes ago, Yorkie said: If the hitch is still separation between PIF/the state then I don't see how the events of the last 72 hours has any sway on the takeover at all, tbh. It was rumered they were concerned about how much influence MBS would have yeah? How much influence does Agnelli or Perez have? Enough to very nearly fracture domestic football in several countries? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wandy Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 4 minutes ago, Yorkie said: If the hitch is still separation between PIF/the state then I don't see how the events of the last 72 hours has any sway on the takeover at all, tbh. The ODT is in tatters now. It is literally a joke. Nothing in it should be taken remotely seriously. Unless of course the six clubs get the punishment that the rules state they should. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
snabelkabel Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 5 minutes ago, Yorkie said: If the hitch is still separation between PIF/the state then I don't see how the events of the last 72 hours has any sway on the takeover at all, tbh. If the 6 can break the ODT rule B.17.c and not be kicked out of the league in the annual ODT review(yeah right). Then the PIF should just buy us regardless of the ODT, as it has no consequence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Consortium of one Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 Credence has been given to Stavely's claims that the big 6 had undo influence on the takeover. It's now clear to everyone that the Big 6 want to limit their competition. ODT tests need review and there has to be a watchdog to guard against any influence that goes against "one team, one vote" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thumbheed Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 1 hour ago, Yorkie said: If the hitch is still separation between PIF/the state then I don't see how the events of the last 72 hours has any sway on the takeover at all, tbh. Worst case scenario - nothing Best case scenario- perspective Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Broon Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 2 hours ago, Yorkie said: If the hitch is still separation between PIF/the state then I don't see how the events of the last 72 hours has any sway on the takeover at all, tbh. There's only a hitch because they wanted one and they wanted one partly because the big 6 don't want the competition and partly because of the beIN piracy issue. In the other similar case of being faced with a legal loophole obscuring the real owner of Crystal Palace they've just said 'fair enough', when they could and should by their rules have disqualified the directors for failing to provide that information. Although issues still remain to be fully resolved beIN have clearly mellowed in their stance because we're not getting the negativity from people connected to them that we were before, so if the big 6's influence has been affected by this it could potentially pave the way to the PL saying 'fair enough' and settling our case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyc35i Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 50 minutes ago, Jackie Broon said: There's only a hitch because they wanted one and they wanted one partly because the big 6 don't want the competition and partly because of the beIN piracy issue. In the other similar case of being faced with a legal loophole obscuring the real owner of Crystal Palace they've just said 'fair enough', when they could and should by their rules have disqualified the directors for failing to provide that information. Although issues still remain to be fully resolved beIN have clearly mellowed in their stance because we're not getting the negativity from people connected to them that we were before, so if the big 6's influence has been affected by this it could potentially pave the way to the PL saying 'fair enough' and settling our case. There is logic in this, but the whole takeover saga has made no sense whatsoever so I’m still thinking even with this ESL fiasco occurring that it won’t change anything Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 Last thing the PL will want at this moment in time is another super power coming in and making the 6 a 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 1 minute ago, gdm said: Last thing the PL will want at this moment in time is another super power coming in and making the 6 a 7 It's the last thing the Big Six want as well they are all on the same page. Which might explain why this takeover still hasn't gone through over a year down the line. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanji Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 Masters would do well to align himself with an energized and highly capitalized Newcastle United. + fans back in + money invested into our entire setup + a world class manager - the cartel would be absolutely shaking in their boots over the prospect of facing us. It's something in football that would not yet have been seen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoot Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 1 hour ago, gdm said: Last thing the PL will want at this moment in time is another super power coming in and making the 6 a 7 That's the real reason we're already going through arbitration though. It's as you were... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 I don't even think we would be the next Man City or Chelsea it sounds like they will have an initial investment but with slow natural growth based around a one for all all for one blueprint. I can't imagine the Saudis pumping in all the money once the takeover goes through if they are happy not to own 100%. It sounds like Amanda had a bonk on for Rafas vision of Newcastle and has spent her time putting together an investment team to carry that out, Masters was instructed by the super6 to delay till they pulled out, that must surely be over now he's been fucked over royally by them Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 Just now, Ben said: I don't even think we would be the next Man City or Chelsea it sounds like they will have an initial investment but with slow natural growth based around a one for all all for one blueprint. I can't imagine the Saudis pumping in all the money once the takeover goes through if they are happy not to own 100%. It sounds like Amanda had a bonk on for Rafas vision of Newcastle and has spent her time putting together an investment team to carry that out, Masters was instructed by the super6 to delay till they pulled out, that must surely be over now he's been fucked over royally by them I think they’d follow the Man City model personally and pump in crazy money to get the club to that kind of level quickly and then they would be more sensible using the cash injection from sponsors, TV revenues, merchandise deals etc. to maintain an elite club thereafter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 Just now, HTT II said: I think they’d follow the Man City model personally and pump in crazy money to get the club to that kind of level quickly and then they would be more sensible using the cash injection from sponsors, TV revenues, merchandise deals etc. to maintain an elite club thereafter. Then why have additional investors? Would they need to pump in 20% of what the Saudis put in Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Ben said: Then why have additional investors? Would they need to pump in 20% of what the Saudis put in The additional investors is more strategic than about their money, it’s about their business links and with the Reubens especially their speciality in property investment and sporting events like the Northumberland Plate, held on a racecourse owned by the Reubens. The Saudi takeover of NUFC is more than a footballing project, it’s about building a sporting brand and investing in the region, adding solid assets around that in property and such for long term viability and success. It’s more than just a 1 business only type acquisition to add to their portfolio, it’s multilayered and again, not just about owning a football club/team. They could buy any team if that’s all they wanted and out right. On that front, we should all be delighted because our region will benefit, our city and our sporting culture and infrastructure away from the hollowed green turf at St. James’ Park. Edited April 21, 2021 by HTT II Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattoon Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 Rattling through the posts tonight after a long day at work, just my 2p worth: The PIF/MBS separation is a smoke screen, just something something PL can hang their hat on to prevent a resurgent NUFC and a 7th team in the offing, the "Big 6" clearly with an ulterior motive for their super league plans and keeping the gravy train running; they don't want those riches they're heavily leveraged against watered down. BeIn clearly hated SA and were stinging from BeOutQ and both these players had a huge sway with the PL. With tensions easing with BeIn and the 6 blowing their load on a failed European league, shitting all over that PL good will I think their position has to have softened, it can't be an instant approval though PL need to save face. Secondly I see a lot of people on Twitter panicking about PIF going for one of the 6 now as owners had their collars felt and clubs might become available, I tend to agree with @HTT IIon this one, this was never just about buying a football club, this is a much bigger picture, the ability to rejuvenate a region, to build a legacy post fossil fuel. Even if it wasn't, why would they want to invest in a club for £3b that's leveraged up to its eyeballs in debt based on future revenue during a time of uncertainty? £305m all-in gets you a club in the same league with no debt, albeit with some serious work needed on its facilities. You can build a team and a club to be proud of at a fraction of the price of one of the so called elites. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyc35i Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 17 hours ago, HTT II said: The additional investors is more strategic than about their money, it’s about their business links and with the Reubens especially their speciality in property investment and sporting events like the Northumberland Plate, held on a racecourse owned by the Reubens. The Saudi takeover of NUFC is more than a footballing project, it’s about building a sporting brand and investing in the region, adding solid assets around that in property and such for long term viability and success. It’s more than just a 1 business only type acquisition to add to their portfolio, it’s multilayered and again, not just about owning a football club/team. They could buy any team if that’s all they wanted and out right. On that front, we should all be delighted because our region will benefit, our city and our sporting culture and infrastructure away from the hollowed green turf at St. James’ Park. We just need to actually happen! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Colos Short and Curlies Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 1 minute ago, bowlingcrofty said: That doesn't say they are confident of winning, it says they are confident that there is no financial liability - losing the arbitration leading to the takeover happening does not have a cost to it. Even if it was about compensation all this is really saying is they think they have at least a 50% chance of not losing, not that they are confident of winning Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 But I thought they were going to pass the takeover to punish Liverpool? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 (edited) It's all so boring as fuck. The dullest takeover saga in history. What we need is another bunch of absolute melts trying to form their own league again, now that was entertaining. Edited April 22, 2021 by reefatoon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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