Joey Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 Mental people claiming they don't put this much time and money into a case they don't believe they can win. Sure the other side are of the same belief. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Linton Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 12 minutes ago, Colos Short and Curlies said: He got one thing wrong - unless the arbitration is set for the w/c 3rd January then it will be delayed as the 3rd is a bank holiday Pendants 1 - 0 Journalists It's pedant. Pedants 1 - 0 Pendants Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantail Breeze Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 Why didn't Edwards mention the Man City ownership model as a comparison? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Jinx Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 4 minutes ago, Fantail Breeze said: is that a director with a small d? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 32 minutes ago, Joey said: Mental people claiming they don't put this much time and money into a case they don't believe they can win. Sure the other side are of the same belief. The premier league really has no choice though did they once we went down that route ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 46 minutes ago, Joey said: Mental people claiming they don't put this much time and money into a case they don't believe they can win. Sure the other side are of the same belief. You are aware who claimed this, right? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ankles Bennett Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 3 hours ago, Dokko said: Reflecting back I didn't expect it to go as well as it did. Seemed very one sided and from my view quite a simple judgement. Even some flickers from the press, including the BBC and bien Jacobs suggesting such. If it doesn't go our way then nothing will IMHO. I don't see how we can spell it out any clearer and if it's rejected then the PL has it sewn up and untouchable. Not necessarily. If we lose arbitration we wont know how or why we lose. If we win the jurisdiction challenge the CAT case will go ahead regardless of the outcome of arbitration, and will be in public and as such may disclose how and why we lost arbitration in order to establish whether the PL's reasons for blocking the move were anti- competitive! It may be that the CAT hold some of the hearing in private regarding the arbitration findings being confidential, but if the CAT subsequentely find in our favour that the EPL acted uncompetitively the EPL may then have to reverse their decision to block the takeover! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paully Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 Can anyone post this article?! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashley17 Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 Nobody in the world (of Twitter) pays for that site but he tweeted this earlier: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 ”For the Premier League to win the arbitration, they only have to prove that they followed and applied their own rules correctly.” firstly, it shouldn’t be about them “winning”. Secondly, it’s not about applying their rules, it’s about whether their is separation between KSA and PIF. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantail Breeze Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 44 minutes ago, Shearergol said: ”For the Premier League to win the arbitration, they only have to prove that they followed and applied their own rules correctly.” firstly, it shouldn’t be about them “winning”. Secondly, it’s not about applying their rules, it’s about whether their is separation between KSA and PIF. The two are basically the same though. If separation is proven, the PL haven’t applied their rules correctly as they are demanding to put someone through the test who isn’t required. If separation isn’t proven, the PL have applied their rules correctly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcnick Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 3 minutes ago, Fantail Breeze said: The two are basically the same though. If separation is proven, the PL haven’t applied their rules correctly as they are demanding to put someone through the test who isn’t required. If separation isn’t proven, the PL have applied their rules correctly. What a load of shite, if the PL knew they had followed their rules correctly they would have failed the takeover last year. The fact that have kicked the can down the road for the last 18 months and chose not to reject it tells you they haven’t followed their own rules. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantail Breeze Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 Just now, nufcnick said: What a load of shite, if the PL knew they had followed their rules correctly they would have failed the takeover last year. The fact that have kicked the can down the road for the last 18 months and chose not to reject it tells you they haven’t followed their own rules. I wasn’t suggesting that isn’t the case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 The whole “PL winning” is the very reason this whole thing is bullshit. They shouldn’t be winning or losing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SweMag Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 1 hour ago, Fantail Breeze said: The two are basically the same though. If separation is proven, the PL haven’t applied their rules correctly as they are demanding to put someone through the test who isn’t required. If separation isn’t proven, the PL have applied their rules correctly. Are you kidding me? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantail Breeze Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 1 minute ago, SweMag said: Are you kidding me? Well, it’s fairly basic to understand that’ll be the decision the arbitration panel make in those circumstances. Whether that is right or wrong is a different question. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyc35i Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 I really think the only positive outcome for us in this whole thing is if we manage to settle before arbitration. Hopefully the CAT gets the go ahead and that forces the PL’s hand to just let this go through. I will never understand why the PL are fighting so strongly against takeover when it is clearly the best thing for one of their member clubs - it makes no sense whatsoever Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordie_b Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 52 minutes ago, Shearergol said: The whole “PL winning” is the very reason this whole thing is bullshit. They shouldn’t be winning or losing. Infact them winning should mean they are actually losing given the lost investment and exposure. Their guy using the words 'fighting arbitration' was a massive insight Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 56 minutes ago, Shearergol said: The whole “PL winning” is the very reason this whole thing is bullshit. They shouldn’t be winning or losing. Best take in this entire thread tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Maximin Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 (edited) As someone of minimal knowledge to this case here, I feel this whole ‘proving separation’ crap should really be irrelevant. Irrespective of Bin Salman’s role, we’d be owned by the state; just not directly. It’s the decision to make a whole state a ‘director’ I find weird though and I don’t see where the basis for this is for unless they wanted to make this really difficult for us. If it’s any relevance, I work in the fun anti-financial crime world and so I’m very familiar with the phrase ‘ultimate beneficial owner’ that I’ve seen used here in relation to what the PL wanted the KSA state to be. From what I’ve seen a country shouldn’t be the UBO. Maybe that’s all a bit irrelevant here but does seem interesting the PL makes it’s own idea of a UBO seemingly when there’s an awkward takeover situation for them. Edited October 2, 2021 by St. Maximin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 2 hours ago, St. Maximin said: unless they wanted to make this really difficult for us. Well that's the crux of it isn't it. 'top' clubs don't want it, qataris don't want it.... Snakey masters is so deep in their pockets that he simply can't let it go through. I feel like it's lose lose for masters at this point, hopefully. Let it go through and a few 'leaks' come out about him and his practices, continue kicking the can.... A lot of dirty laundry gets air time. I think the latter will be his preferred choice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miggys First Goal Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 These other clubs (I refuse to say big six or top six because fuck Tottenham) must have some really good dirt on Masters like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Broon Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 (edited) 9 hours ago, St. Maximin said: As someone of minimal knowledge to this case here, I feel this whole ‘proving separation’ crap should really be irrelevant. Irrespective of Bin Salman’s role, we’d be owned by the state; just not directly. It’s the decision to make a whole state a ‘director’ I find weird though and I don’t see where the basis for this is for unless they wanted to make this really difficult for us. If it’s any relevance, I work in the fun anti-financial crime world and so I’m very familiar with the phrase ‘ultimate beneficial owner’ that I’ve seen used here in relation to what the PL wanted the KSA state to be. From what I’ve seen a country shouldn’t be the UBO. Maybe that’s all a bit irrelevant here but does seem interesting the PL makes it’s own idea of a UBO seemingly when there’s an awkward takeover situation for them. The issue is that the definition of a person in control of a club in their rules is so broad that it technically allows them to do that, even if the KSA wouldn't be considered to be a director or owner in either UK or Saudi law. I think the arguments in terms of 'separation' are going to be that the PL have been inconsistent in how they have applied the definition of 'control' in relation to other clubs and it is so broad that it results in unfair trading conditions being imposed on the consortium. Edited October 2, 2021 by Jackie Broon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 They don't need to. I don't think it is so much a broad conspiracy as such that Saudi Arabia buying a club (and it helps it's us and not Man United or something) gives them a good chance to get some goo PR blocking a crazy immoral bid, allows them to pretend to have the moral high ground (while Man City and Chelsea are in the league lololol). Saudi Arabia are piling money into other sports like formula 1 etc. The thing is, this is all really actually wrong, there is no way saudi arabia should own a football club! But it's the picking and choosing when to have morality. You either have a moral premier league and have fan ownership to some level accross the board and restrict ludicrous spending severely or you don't. I was discussing this with another fan who was against the takeover in horror at Saudi Arabia which I have a huge amount of sympathy for. But I can't really stand and boo at somethign that will bring much needed investment into the area and give the fans some joy again. I will remain a morally compromised fan if this goes ahead. And still for the record, I still just can't see it not being blocked by obstinancy from the PL, no matter what 'should' happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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