gdm Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 2 hours ago, Oregon_Geordie said: As a person that has read this forum, rather than post for the best part of 10 years I have to say, some of the hatred and abuse to Keith is rather pathetic. I'm no fan of the guy but it seems aside from his inflated ego, he's put his money where his mouth is and tried to action change. Seems there are a lot of folk out there and some on here, happy to have a pop at anyone that get's of their arse and even attempts to do so. I've just finished work here in the US, and from catching up on proceedings, it seems it went fairly well. Who knows if it will lead to much, it does point towards the fact that much of what Keith has been saying is starting to ring true. Again I'm no fan boy, but he deserves some credit for starting the ball rolling. Without that initial action, we'd not even be in court yet. Seems the world is full of bitter, jealous folk who don't like the idea of anyone else leading the way, while they mainly type 'angrily' on their keyboard. Fingers Crossed we get the result we all want and we take the fucking Premier League down in flames, if not I'll take them throwing us out! Anything is better than existing as a ghost ship in our current guise. (Helmet on as I prepare to be attacked) Not going to attack you in the slightest but Keith doesn’t get hate for attempting to ‘do something’ personally I don’t like the guy because he lies and has been caught lying and when called out on the lies he blocks people, ridicules them and accuses them of trolling. He’s made lots of comments I didn’t like for example the one about fans not from Newcastle aren’t real fans. I’ve always gave him credit for whatever he did to kick this off but he does come across as a bit of a dick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 Ben Rumsby ? I thought Luke Edwards wrote about North East football for the Telegraph? I wonder if he refused because its a positive story. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWN Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 Safe to say the PL have been publicly shown up for being a bunch of cunts. job done , now let’s get this done Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 Seems the PL is dancing to the members tune and don’t want another potential competition for champions league spots. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decky Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 24 minutes ago, r0cafella said: Seems the PL is dancing to the members tune and don’t want another potential competition for champions league spots. The joke of it is Arsenal have completely fallen away and Spurs are heading down the same road. Back to a top 4. You have the likes of Leicester and West Ham floating about but ultimately its the same cunts getting those spots, same old boring shite. Why not encourage more competition if it improves the brand? Because the PL have absolutely no balls and are deep into the pocket of six clubs that threatened to destroy their brand literally just last year, working on it in private while they appealed for our takeover to be blocked too. Complete scum clubs throwing threats out to the league who then throw their own threats out to us. The biggest punishment/act of revenge the PL could do for the top 6 is approve our takeover but its completely obvious that even after the stab in the back the PL are still the bitch of those six clubs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 Does this continue today or is that it until we hear the outcome? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decky Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 (edited) It still fucking infuriates me that Spurs are one of the 'big 6' too. Fucking why? What have they done to earn that? Built a nice stadium and qualified for the CL a few times? Big deal, we did the same 20 years ago and it got us fuck all in return all these years later. Even Arsenal now, yes they're obviously historically a big player but clubs like Nottingham Forest and Aston Villa have fantastic history as well and reached a level Arsenal have never got to with European glory so is it a big 7 now Villa are back in the league? Man City, Man Utd, Chelsea and Liverpool are absolutely miles ahead of both. Long story short its money that is driving this, if we got bought over you'll hear 'big 7' being fired about within months of the deal being done and we'll have done nothing to earn it apart from get rich. I wonder if some day we'll get a proper investigation into this racket and find out brown envelopes have been getting passed about PL HQ for years? Edited September 30, 2021 by Decky Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 15 minutes ago, Decky said: The joke of it is Arsenal have completely fallen away and Spurs are heading down the same road. Back to a top 4. You have the likes of Leicester and West Ham floating about but ultimately its the same cunts getting those spots, same old boring shite. Why not encourage more competition if it improves the brand? Because the PL have absolutely no balls and are deep into the pocket of six clubs that threatened to destroy their brand literally just last year, working on it in private while they appealed for our takeover to be blocked too. Complete scum clubs throwing threats out to the league who then throw their own threats out to us. The biggest punishment/act of revenge the PL could do for the top 6 is approve our takeover but its completely obvious that even after the stab in the back the PL are still the bitch of those six clubs. Decky my friend, please don’t be confused the top 6 has nothing to do with sporting integrity it’s a pure business play. football as a sport has been finished for a long time now, it’s just another business to further enrich the wealthy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 But but ......I thought each club had a 5% equal share of the EPL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 14 hours ago, Optimistic Nut said: Still seems absolutely shite that the PL seem to be doing everything to stop this rather than saying what needs to be done or how they can help make the takeover run through smoothly. I think this is an interesting point but ultimately the only alternative to the current setup is to not have PIF as an owner/director isn't it? Given the stance the PL have taken. You would imagine the consortium's lawyers will know this and the sticking point is that PIF will want to own the club instead of creating fake layers of separation to satisfy the fucking premier league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 They’d have just have rejected the bid outright if that was the case surely? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 14 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said: They’d have just have rejected the bid outright if that was the case surely? No, they don’t want to reject anything. They want the PIF to withdraw so it all goes away. Failing the PIF will just create additional scrutiny which they don’t want. Unfortunately for them I don’t think they expected Ashley to take them to court. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hhtoon Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 17 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said: They’d have just have rejected the bid outright if that was the case surely? Offered arbitration didn't they? And then PIF officially "pulled out". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 21 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said: They’d have just have rejected the bid outright if that was the case surely? The point is that once barriers started being thrown up I'm sure PIF/consortium could have took it upon themselves to create a structure that would avoid all this but they haven't done that, which suggests to me they simply don't want to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUHRLYASLEEVESUP Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 I do have to wonder if (big if) we were a "big 6 club" ourselves how FCB would try & influence the outcome of a Saudi backed consortium taking over Norwich for instance ? Clearly I don't condone anything anything the PL have done but Im fairly convinced the fat fucker would be all over the PL trying to block the exact same as he's trying to push through Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thumbheed Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 Did anyone else think that the argument of seperation for SJHL and the club to be quite flimsy? Seems to me to be the key point to the hearing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 7 minutes ago, Thumbheed said: Did anyone else think that the argument of seperation for SJHL and the club to be quite flimsy? Seems to me to be the key point to the hearing. No flimsier than Mansour bin Zayed al-Nahyanwa and the City Group? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 5 minutes ago, RUHRLYASLEEVESUP said: I do have to wonder if (big if) we were a "big 6 club" ourselves how FCB would try & influence the outcome of a Saudi backed consortium taking over Norwich for instance ? Clearly I don't condone anything anything the PL have done but Im fairly convinced the fat fucker would be all over the PL trying to block the exact same as he's trying to push through Lets not be mistaken, there are no good guys in this situation. There are bad guys and bad guys. Just a bunch of rich people that are throwing a public tantrum at each other, that have no idea how to even relate to the fans that each of them claim to have the best interests of. Mike Ashley is an utter tosser that has somehow over the last 18 months put himself in a position where, in the press and in the eyes of some fans he is the good guy. He has treated the entirety of this club with utter distain for 13 years, done the exact opposite of what was right for the club at every turn, and antagonised us fans at every corner. He's an asshole and should have no support with anyone associated with the club, now or in the future when we're finally rid of him. While I obviously want this takeover to go through, I do have serious misgivings about the Saudis owning the club, there human rights record is abhorrent, they're corrupt and just "get rid" of people that have a different opinion to the state. We'd be used as a vessel to improve their image Worldwide to billions of people, and that doesn't sit right in the stomach. If at the very beginning of this whole situation that was the reason the Premier League rejected it, i'd actually be in support of it. Money isn't the only thing worth something in this world and If we where just bought by some other random rich guy, that only had the money to get us in that 10th to 7th region, but we'd actually try and do things the right way, I'd probably prefer that then the Saudi state owning us. It actually makes me a bit of a hypocrite as I know full well, I'll be cheering every goal that goes in should the takeover go through, and probably not even give an iota of care if we ever won anything. The human rights record wasn't the reason though, and in a world where it's very clear the Premier League have been corrupt at every turn, have treated the club and fans with utter contempt, and are clearly influenced by an elite minority. This whole process has shown how fit for purpose they are, that being not at all, so it's going to a sweet day when/ if the takeover goes though, and they can quite frankly get fucked. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thumbheed Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, RS said: No flimsier than Mansour bin Zayed al-Nahyanwa and the City Group? Agreed, but unless I missed it, I didnt hear that type of argument from the QC, just seemed to be centred around under what capacity Ashley signed forms. Edited September 30, 2021 by Thumbheed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thumbheed Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, 54 said: Lets not be mistaken, there are no good guys in this situation. There are bad guys and bad guys. Just a bunch of rich people that are throwing a public tantrum at each other, that have no idea how to even relate to the fans that each of them claim to have the best interests of. Mike Ashley is an utter tosser that has somehow over the last 18 months put himself in a position where, in the press and in the eyes of some fans he is the good guy. He has treated the entirety of this club with utter distain for 13 years, done the exact opposite of what was right for the club at every turn, and antagonised us fans at every corner. He's an asshole and should have no support with anyone associated with the club, now or in the future when we're finally rid of him. While I obviously want this takeover to go through, I do have serious misgivings about the Saudis owning the club, there human rights record is abhorrent, they're corrupt and just "get rid" of people that have a different opinion to the state. We'd be used as a vessel to improve their image Worldwide to billions of people, and that doesn't sit right in the stomach. If at the very beginning of this whole situation that was the reason the Premier League rejected it, i'd actually be in support of it. Money isn't the only thing worth something in this world and If we where just bought by some other random rich guy, that only had the money to get us in that 10th to 7th region, but we'd actually try and do things the right way, I'd probably prefer that then the Saudi state owning us. It actually makes me a bit of a hypocrite as I know full well, I'll be cheering every goal that goes in should the takeover go through, and probably not even give an iota of care if we ever won anything. The human rights record wasn't the reason though, and in a world where it's very clear the Premier League have been corrupt at every turn, have treated the club and fans with utter contempt, and are clearly influenced by an elite minority. This whole process has shown how fit for purpose they are, that being not at all, so it's going to a sweet day when/ if the takeover goes though, and they can quite frankly get fucked. Great post. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawK Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 It's like picking between Scrooge and Xerxes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottishMagpie Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 Fecking brilliant post 54!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankpingel Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 54, brilliant summary of how I and probably most feel overall about the situation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 (edited) Was interested in Lewis saying they were "fighting arbitration". found that quite a strange word to use. They offered us arbitration as they couldn't come to an agreement, so why would he use the word "fight" if they weren't trying their hardest for this not to happen. Felt the word fight was a bit of a slip, but is how they really feel about the takeover. They have their heels dug right in now and will fight it all the way. To me they have absolutely no intention of trying to work with all parties to get it resolved. Edited September 30, 2021 by reefatoon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wandy Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 With the arbitration...is it a case of the Saudis having to prove to the tribunal panel that the state is separate to PIF? Or is it a case of the PL having to prove to the panel that the state and PIF are one and the same? In other words, who has the burden of proof? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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