Newcastle United 2 - 4 West Ham - 15/08/21 - Post-match reaction from page 18

[tgarve]

4 minutes ago, jonbobson said:

Wow. Your grate.

 

Enjoying the debate keep it going keeping me entertained during this shit game 

[tgarve]

Just now, et tu brute said:

 

Very very easy to fathom Steve Bruce. I knew before the game even started that West Ham would have a fielkd day with Krafth, Clark and Fernandez. All 3 are a liability, but the problem is (although Lascelles and Schar should be in the team), is that I don't think any of our central defenders are much more than average. Not helped mind, that their protection is from a midfield who were our Championship first choice 5 year ago and two full/wing backs who are pretty poor defensively also.   

But with Rafa they all looked good -

 

losing lejeune is a terrible mistake 

 

no one literally no one could argue letting him go on a free and starting Kraft is a good idea 

 

that’s ignoring what we have in reserve 

 

lascelles and dubs organisation was missed today 

 

not 100% on woodman after that 

[Guest]

Never got the Ritchie love in. Good crosser but as a wing-back he’s defensively shite.

[Kanj]

Would be really just better having willems for free there or just persisting with Lewis.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

With the players we’ve got I would just play Lewis and cross my fingers. Maybe even play Ritchie further forward of him. 

[Dr Jinx]

Thought ASM had a really poor game aside from the first cross. Lost the ball repeatedly, one of which directly led to a goal.

 

Clark ball watching for 2-2, again individual mistakes leading to goals.

 

We said last season that Shelvey needed to be replaced, it’s still the case and it’s killing us. When you see a player like Rice take the game by the balls, you see what we are missing out on by having a passenger in the starting 11.

 

Miggy has also had better games, fuck all of a pre season with us though so not too fair to judge on that one.

 

And yeah Ritchie was poor but that’s the first game in a long time where can say that.

 

We start that back line often and we will concede loads this season. Grim.

[Smal]

28 minutes ago, St. Maximin said:

That didn’t look like a penalty but Murphy’s reaction didn’t look like one of a man who knows he’s innocent surely?

 

Either way I’ve been hearing from fans who went about what a great game it was. Wish I had that level of positivity. It was no doubt a great game for the neutral, but we completely fell apart after a positive first-half, went two goals down and virtually gave up for the last fifteen minutes. Even with that penalty decision the defending was pathetic. With that line-up who’d have thought?

 

Also shout out to Matt Ritchie for his game changing contributions 

 

 

 

 

Ritchie was absolutely embarrassing today. Never want to see him again.

[Fantail Breeze]

12 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said:

Never got the Ritchie love in. Good crosser but as a wing-back he’s defensively shite.

 

Kicks a corner flag with pashun. Better than your flouncing forrins.

 

He is one of those who did a good job for us in the Championship, but a proper club would’ve shipped out and improved on. See also; Gayle, Darlow, Shelvey, Dummett, Clark.

[et tu brute]

Just now, tgarve said:

But with Rafa they all looked good -

 

losing lejeune is a terrible mistake 

 

no one literally no one could argue letting him go on a free and starting Kraft is a good idea 

 

that’s ignoring what we have in reserve 

 

lascelles and dubs organisation was missed today 

 

not 100% on woodman after that 

 

Rafa had a good solid system, which meant the team defended from front to back. Dubs is a big miss with organisation and Lascelles/Shar would be my first two choices currently, however I would be looking to upgrade on these two also (not going to happen I know). I'm not a fan of Hayden (another average player to me) and the least said about Shelvey the better. Ritchie is a total liability defensively and Murphy is not solid defensively either). Lejeune is better than we have currently (even as back up). 

[et tu brute]

4 minutes ago, Smal said:

Ritchie was absolutely embarrassing today. Never want to see him again.

 

I was hoping Bournemouth would be back in for him (failure to go up put paid to that) as he is a total liability. He is far too slow to react and loses his man every single time. The penalty reaction was just laughable.

[Gallowgate Toon]

Thought we were good first half but you could tell West Ham could kick it up a gear - they were great at setting up overloads. 

 

Pretty scary how easily we collapsed from a bunch of players who know each other's games very well. Getting caught basically 2v1 at 65 mins is pretty shambolic. 

[Jaqen]

39 minutes ago, samptime29 said:

I don't like people calling the fans who went to the game "mongs" and "cunts". Bit OTT tbh.

 

Agreed, to be honest. I'll personally not put a penny into the club under Ashley (even when Rafa was here) but some of the abuse towards fans who go definitely crosses the line at times. 

 

There's parents who want to take their kids to the games, want that experience of them falling in love with the club and the games. People like my grandad who barely get out of the house other than to go to the games and see their mates who they've been going with for forever. He probably doesn't even know half the squad anymore but still enjoys the experience of a matchday. 

 

It maybe shortsighted or misguided but there's still fans who want to get some enjoyment out of it all. Even if it's just watching on TV and celebrating a win or a goal. It gets a bit tiring the same folk coming into every matchday thread celebrating every loss, wanting us to get relegated and then blaming it all on the fans. I'd support them if they were using that same time and energy trying to do something about it. 

 

Sat at home watching on your sky sports subscription glued to the forum slagging off fans going to the game for having no life doesn't really make you as superior as people seem to think. 

 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

3 minutes ago, Gallowgate Toon said:

Thought we were good first half but you could tell West Ham could kick it up a gear - they were great at setting up overloads. 

 

Pretty scary how easily we collapsed from a bunch of players who know each other's games very well. Getting caught basically 2v1 at 65 mins is pretty shambolic. 

I’m convinced that we’d get battered every week if opposition teams truly knew how soft and easy to play through we are. It’s almost like they don’t really believe it. 
 

The energetic and athletic teams take the mick out of us every single time. 

[Superior Acuña]

1 hour ago, Big Geordie said:

Can I also say that the gammon who booed the taking of the knee - shameful.

 

Shower of bastards.

 

Oh no, for fuck sake, I missed that

[AyeDubbleYoo]

2 minutes ago, Jaqen said:

 

Agreed, to be honest. I'll personally not put a penny into the club under Ashley (even when Rafa was here) but some of the abuse towards fans who go definitely crosses the line at times. 

 

There's parents who want to take their kids to the games, want that experience of them falling in love with the club and the games. People like my grandad who barely get out of the house other than to go to the games and see their mates who they've been going with for forever. He probably doesn't even know half the squad anymore but still enjoys the experience of a matchday. 

 

It maybe shortsighted or misguided but there's still fans who want to get some enjoyment out of it all. Even if it's just watching on TV and celebrating a win or a goal. It gets a bit tiring the same folk coming into every matchday thread celebrating every loss, wanting us to get relegated and then blaming it all on the fans. I'd support them if they were using that same time and energy trying to do something about it. 

 

Sat at home watching on your sky sports subscription glued to the forum slagging off fans going to the game for having no life doesn't really make you as superior as people seem to think. 

 

Tend to agree. I wish we could organise protests and make Ashley’s life unbearable, but sadly we can’t. 
 

Football fans are addicted and dependent by their nature, it’s what makes us so easy to exploit. 
 

That said, I am jealous of fan groups who are more militant. 
 

Like I’ve said before, I think there are two valid positions. “I hate Ashley and I can’t bare the lack of ambition”, or “I need to go to the match and I still enjoy the experience even though I know we aren’t aiming for anything”. Either of those are understandable. 

[TRon]

1 hour ago, Big Geordie said:

Can I also say that the gammon who booed the taking of the knee - shameful.

 

Shower of bastards.

 

Must have made a great impression on Willock's mam and dad who were sat there watching the game with him in the stands. 

[Super Duper Branko Strupar]

43 minutes ago, St. Maximin said:

That didn’t look like a penalty but Murphy’s reaction didn’t look like one of a man who knows he’s innocent surely?

 

Either way I’ve been hearing from fans who went about what a great game it was. Wish I had that level of positivity. It was no doubt a great game for the neutral, but we completely fell apart after a positive first-half, went two goals down and virtually gave up for the last fifteen minutes. Even with that penalty decision the defending was pathetic. With that line-up who’d have thought?

 

Also shout out to Matt Ritchie for his game changing contributions 

 

 

 

 

 

Ritchie has been defending like this in that position for over 3 years now. All any opposition needs to do is put a ball in to the back post from their left hand side and have a man running at the back post. All they need to do is wait until Ritchie lets it run past him to have a simple goalscoring opportunity. He's always done it. 

[Super Duper Branko Strupar]

1 hour ago, samptime29 said:

I don't like people calling the fans who went to the game "mongs" and "cunts". Bit OTT tbh.

 

Did someone on here use the word Mong?

[samptime29]

Just now, Super Duper Branko Strupar said:

 

Did someone on here use the word Mong?

 

Aye.

[TRon]

Ritchie is a nothing player these days. He's not a defender by nature, and he's too slow to do much damage as an attacker. He can strike the ball well, and will give it a good go as much as he's physically capable, but the PL is far too demanding for a player with those limitations. Being a top lad just isn't enough. 

[ToonArmy1892]

I used mug not mong, i stand by it.

[Yorkie]

Tedious though it is I don't think you can really blame anyone for venting about matchgoers. Turning your back on everything that goes with supporting NUFC is really painful and upsetting; and the vast majority in the ground today devalue that sacrifice. 

 

I do think we collectively need to try and reduce being wound up by it though, cos it's a pointless waste of emotion at this point. The battle to get fans to resist en masse is very much lost. 

[samptime29]

Pilko used the word "mong". Disappointing that Thomson Mouse and Neesy liked the mong comment. Didn't expect that.

[samptime29]

15 minutes ago, Jaqen said:

 

Agreed, to be honest. I'll personally not put a penny into the club under Ashley (even when Rafa was here) but some of the abuse towards fans who go definitely crosses the line at times. 

 

There's parents who want to take their kids to the games, want that experience of them falling in love with the club and the games. People like my grandad who barely get out of the house other than to go to the games and see their mates who they've been going with for forever. He probably doesn't even know half the squad anymore but still enjoys the experience of a matchday. 

 

It maybe shortsighted or misguided but there's still fans who want to get some enjoyment out of it all. Even if it's just watching on TV and celebrating a win or a goal. It gets a bit tiring the same folk coming into every matchday thread celebrating every loss, wanting us to get relegated and then blaming it all on the fans. I'd support them if they were using that same time and energy trying to do something about it. 

 

Sat at home watching on your sky sports subscription glued to the forum slagging off fans going to the game for having no life doesn't really make you as superior as people seem to think. 

 

 

I won't go to a game whilst Ashley is here. I don't put a penny in his pocket. That's what I can control. 

[St. Maximin]

9 minutes ago, Super Duper Branko Strupar said:

 

Ritchie has been defending like this in that position for over 3 years now. All any opposition needs to do is put a ball in to the back post from their left hand side and have a man running at the back post. All they need to do is wait until Ritchie lets it run past him to have a simple goalscoring opportunity. He's always done it. 

Yeah, he’s always looked very suspect defensively, but gets away with it because he’s a ‘grafter’. I’m pretty terrible at football but I’m sure there’s more to defending than grafting. Today though he was a new level of rubbish. 
 

He is a leader though and I think helped the team out in the relegation fight. However, he shouldn’t be playing there regularly in any Prem team. Crazy we haven’t upgraded.