Eddie Howe

[jackyboy]

I think I read somewhere that one of the conditions of Jones joining us was that if there was a takeover and Bruce was sacked then he would be kept on in some sort of capacity

[Shearergol]

22 minutes ago, HaydnNUFC said:

Bloody hell, forgot how long it took for Keegan to get rid of the Allardyce stink.

 

We all need to keep that in mind I think.

[Doctor Zaius]

Keegan transformed that team though. By the end of that season we were playing some good stuff. Lost only two of our last 9 games and had a couple of thumping victories. Converted Michael Owen into a kind of deep lying forward and he was excellent. Utilised Viduka well and was even getting the best out of the likes of Butt and Geremi. 

 

His second spell here is often painted as a failure, which it absolutely wasnt footballing wise. He kept us up and turned that team around. Won our first game of the next season under him too. 

 

Sadly, that 07/08 team had some very good players and Eddie Howe certainly isnt Kevin Keegan. 

 

The performances under Howe have picked up, for sure but that hasnt translated into results. 1 win in 10 given the opposition is desperately poor. We really needed a bounce for him and its becoming clear that its going to take time for him to get us playing the way he wants, if at all. Thats time we dont have and its starting to look like a very poor appointment. 

[TRon]

Just now, Doctor Zaius said:

Keegan transformed that team though. By the end of that season we were playing some good stuff. Lost only two of our last 9 games and had a couple of thumping victories. Converted Michael Owen into a kind of deep lying forward and he was excellent. Utilised Viduka well and was even getting the best out of the likes of Butt and Geremi. 

 

His second spell here is often painted as a failure, which it absolutely wasnt footballing wise. He kept us up and turned that team around. Won our first game of the next season under him too. 

 

Sadly, that 07/08 team had some very good players and Eddie Howe certainly isnt Kevin Keegan. 

 

The performances under Howe have picked up, for sure but that hasnt translated into results. 1 win in 10 given the opposition is desperately poor. We really needed a bounce for him and its becoming clear that its going to take time for him to get us playing the way he wants, if at all. Thats time we dont have and its starting to look like a very poor appointment. 

 

Interestingly, Keegan changed his preferred formation to get results out of that team, he played Owen in a withdrawn striker role, and IIRC he also moved Barton to the left. Howe doesn't seem interested at all in changing anything, he's playing his way whether the players are capable of it or not. Although tbf, they weren't getting results when they parked the bus with Bruce either. 

[Superior Acuña]

1 hour ago, Doctor Zaius said:

Keegan transformed that team though. By the end of that season we were playing some good stuff. Lost only two of our last 9 games and had a couple of thumping victories. Converted Michael Owen into a kind of deep lying forward and he was excellent. Utilised Viduka well and was even getting the best out of the likes of Butt and Geremi. 

 

His second spell here is often painted as a failure, which it absolutely wasnt footballing wise. He kept us up and turned that team around.  Won our first game of the next season under him too. 

 

Sadly, that 07/08 team had some very good players and Eddie Howe certainly isnt Kevin Keegan. 

 

The performances under Howe have picked up, for sure but that hasnt translated into results. 1 win in 10 given the opposition is desperately poor. We really needed a bounce for him and its becoming clear that its going to take time for him to get us playing the way he wants, if at all. Thats time we dont have and its starting to look like a very poor appointment. 

Sorry to nitpick - but believe the first game of the next season was 1-1 draw away at Old Trafford. Won first home game - 1-0 Bolton, Nolan missed a pen for them. (obviously doesnt make difference to your point)

 

 

Edited January 17, 2022 by Inferior Acuña

[Doctor Zaius]

1 minute ago, Inferior Acuña said:

Sorry to nitpick - but believe the first game of the next season was 1-1 draw away at Old Trafford. Won first home game - 1-0 Bolton, Nolan pissed a pen for them. (obviously doesnt make difference to your point)

 

Yeah you're right. Jonas had a stormer I remember. Always wonder what KK would have made of that team. Wouldn't have been relegated, I know that fine well.

[Robster]

2 hours ago, Shearergol said:

 

We all need to keep that in mind I think.

I remember a few games in and we lost 0-1 at home to Blackburn I think it was to an injury time winner and I thought that it was never going to come right.

[Kid Icarus]

I'm definitely not comparing Keegan with Howe here, but the situations have some similarity in that we were a team in transition and it took a period of getting through shit results with improved performances to getting the results to go along with it. It clicked against Fulham at home and by the time we played Reading (still the best football I've seen Newcastle play since Keegan 1.0 - as pathetic as that is) we were fully off and running. The Sunderland 2-0 was about as comfortable and dominating a derby as I can think of, even the 5-1.  Up until we properly got going, we had a run of 4 goals in 8 matches and 0 wins in 12, with a frontline of Owen, Viduka, and Martins.

 

 

Edited January 17, 2022 by Kid Icarus

[cubaricho]

3 hours ago, DJ_NUFC said:

Not sure if posted in here but:

 

https://www.planetsport.com/soccer/news/newcastle-start-under-eddie-howe-worst-this-century-bruce-carver-roeder/?bc-1

 

Oof.

 

Eddie has started with comfortably the worst squad we've had in the last 20 years. Wouldn't read too much into this kind of click-bait.

[Pokerprince2004]

Its fair to say Howe has found it tougher than he thought it would be and our squad is even worse than he thought. Dare I say that perhaps Bruce deserves a bit more credit for keeping this shower up for 2 seasons?!

 

Spoiler

[The College Dropout]

Lack of linked CM's is really worrying.

 

What is this man seeing?

[Fantail Breeze]

9 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

Lack of linked CM's is really worrying.

 

What is this man seeing?

 

Could quite easily be the mistake that takes us down. 

 

I worry that Howe has a strange take on certain players; Lascelles and Shelvey are dangerously bad and he seems to see them as key players.

[SUPERTOON]

13 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

Lack of linked CM's is really worrying.

 

What is this man seeing?

Fwiw Chris Waugh in the athletic said we want 2 new CMs

[Elliottman]

1 minute ago, Fantail Breeze said:

 

Could quite easily be the mistake that takes us down. 

 

I worry that Howe has a strange take on certain players; Lascelles and Shelvey are dangerously bad and he seems to see them as key players.

Who else do we have in midfield that could have replaced Shelvey?! 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I’m not sure who the media links us with has much to do with how Eddie Howe sees the team. 
 

We do desperately need them though. 

[Manxst]

14 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

Lack of linked CM's is really worrying.

 

What is this man seeing?

from The Athletic yesterday:
 

“Let’s start with the business they still want to do — which positions are they actively looking to strengthen?

Come February 1, ideally, Newcastle will have signed — on top of Kieran Trippier and Chris Wood — two new centre-backs, a left-back, at least one central midfielder and another forward, while even a goalkeeper addition has not been ruled out.”

 

“While a regular criticism of Lee Charnley, the previous managing director, was that multiple deals were rarely negotiated at the same time, Newcastle’s recruitment team have been attempting to sign players for several positions simultaneously.”

 

“In midfield, beyond Lingard, several ambitious loan enquiries have been launched for, among others, Donny van de Beek at Manchester United, and Georginio Wijnaldum and Idrissa Gana Gueye at Paris Saint-Germain, to no avail yet. There is, though, a realisation that players are more likely to move on loan towards the end of January, so there is hope quality temporary signings can still arrive.

Todd Cantwell is also liked by Newcastle, though Norwich City’s asking price will need to drop for a deal to be reached. RB Leipzig’s Amadou Haidara, Marseille’s Boubacar Kamara and Lyon’s Bruno Guimaraes have also been scouted extensively.”

[The College Dropout]

Positive news. 
 

this administration seem very leaky. So I thought we would hear more about possible CM deals. 

[Fantail Breeze]

4 minutes ago, Elliottman said:

Who else do we have in midfield that could have replaced Shelvey?! 

 

Good point - it’d be impossible for someone else to replace his glittering contribution of 1 goal, 0 assists.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

All our CMs are dire, I don’t think any combination results in a midfield that can really contribute or compete in a PL game. 

[Manxst]

3 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

Positive news. 
 

this administration seem very leaky. So I thought we would hear more about possible CM deals. 

Or else certain other clubs and agents are ‘leaky’ and other clubs and agents are less so. No one knows for sure.

[Elliottman]

14 minutes ago, Fantail Breeze said:

 

Good point - it’d be impossible for someone else to replace his glittering contribution of 1 goal, 0 assists.

so who? 

[Fantail Breeze]

Just now, Elliottman said:

so who? 

 

Longstaff, Joelinton (slightly ahead of the other two) and Hayden would be our best midfield partnership right now, but one is crocked.

 

With Hayden injured I’d have prioritised buying a DM, as @ManDoonhas said, even someone relatively unknown at £5m would be more beneficial than having Shelvey walk around the middle of the pitch.

 

Or, I’d just play the two who are fit and change the formation.

[TRon]

1 hour ago, The College Dropout said:

Lack of linked CM's is really worrying.

 

What is this man seeing?

 

Can't really answer that definitively until the 31st January. I have a hunch we'll get a CM in next week some time, might be on loan. The priority was said to be defenders and strikers, I can understand that, but we do need a CM, and by that I mean a genuine CM, not a floaty forward who can get in between the lines and score a nice goal such as Cantwell. We need someone who can operate box to box, who can tackle or press effectively, and has good possession stats as well. 

 

If we don't have one by the end of the window I would definitely be concerned. 

[Lush Vlad]

Just now, TRon said:

 

Can't really answer that definitively until the 31st January. I have a hunch we'll get a CM in next week some time, might be on loan. The priority was said to be defenders and strikers, I can understand that, but we do need a CM, and by that I mean a genuine CM, not a floaty forward who can get in between the lines and score a nice goal such as Cantwell. We need someone who can operate box to box, who can tackle or press effectively, and has good possession stats as well. 

 

If we don't have one by the end of the window I would definitely be concerned. 

Probably a bit OTT from me. But even if we get a couple of defenders and another striker in. I’d say we’re basically dead certs to go down if we try and plod on with this midfield until the end of the season. 

[LiquidAK]

2 minutes ago, Lush Vlad said:

Probably a bit OTT from me. But even if we get a couple of defenders and another striker in. I’d say we’re basically dead certs to go down if we try and plod on with this midfield until the end of the season. 

Agreed. It’s an essential before the end of the window for me, if we could only have 1 more signing it has to be a CM